That's the problem, people are obsessed with all these numbers, they believe whatever number is higher means that the quality is higher. I mean can you believe that an old 3 mp camera that I had before takes better pictures than my current 8 mp camera, going by what's said on this site you wouldn't believe so.
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
A high-end touchscreen N-series phone may be able to have every single feature known to man packed into it, but I look at the current price of the N96 ($950 last I checked) and can't even imagine what a touchscreen version of that would cost. The highest-end N-series phones are way too expensive, and as such, Apple doesn't even worry about those, because that is not the market they are trying to reach. The average middle-class person cannot and will not spend almost $1,000 on a phone, but they can and will spend $200 on a phone that has a better interface, better music player, better web experience, better e-mail experience, and the availability of a full QWERTY keyboard instead of basic T9.
I think you've got your figures ever so slightly mixed up since it is the iPhone that is cosiderably more expensive than the N96 for instance. N96, sim free and unlocked from one reputable vendor in the UK = £500 ($1000 for the sake of it). The same reputable dealer sells an unlocked, sim free iPhone 3G 16GB for £900 ($1800). I'm sure I don't need to point out the bigger number to you...
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
I think the original poster was only implying that there is a lot more to good photography than resolution. People send me horrible 17 MB pictures all the time. Just more pixels, still out of focus with lots of jpeg artifacts. That is the main issue with all cell phone cameras - difficult to hold the camera still will taking the shot and the cmos chip and the lens are of very low quality.
As for the camera, I know a lot of people that used to use their phones as cameras only to get an iPhone and moan that the cameras not good enough. Apple really should upgrade it in the next version.
The iPhone takes pretty nice photos in good light, ie some photos by me
Being able to take photos and upload them to sites is a big thing and right now the iPhones camera just isn't good enough and is years out of date.
Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.
Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Yeah, plus the North American market is a real oddity in terms of how mobile phones are sold, so it really has no place in a general discussion about phone prices etc. In the majority of countries where the iPhone is sold, it is sold at a premium (which in North American terms is actually cheap, but for the rest of us civilised people, it's not!) and Nokia phones tend to be free in comparison. Again, in NA, they aren't, but that needs a seperate topic to discuss since it is so wildly different from how the rest of the world operates.
Nokia is a phone company, so if they sell millions of throw-away phones, so what? I myself have several of them in a landfill.
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
Nokia phones sync well, Apple has support for quite a lot with iSync, and Nokia provide support for most S60, and some S40 phones as well. They also provide tools to sync with iPhoto and iTunes.
As for ease of use, very easy, load iSync and sync
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
So what, the average consumer won't be printing large enlargements so 3 mp is good for them and if I want to print large enlargements I sure wouldn't be using a smartphone.
Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.
Don't mind them, those photos look just fine and is good enough for the average consumer, I mean people are acting as if these so called 5 mp cameraphones are being used for professional photography.
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.
Nokia is a phone company, so if they sell millions of throw-away phones, so what? I myself have several of them in a landfill.
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".
Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.
Overall, America is without a doubt the most powerful economy in the world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're the most powerful in every single industry though.
The sad truth is that the US market has a long history of being a cellular backwater. The reasons are quite complex - inappropriate regulation, a huge landmass to cover and many cultural factors. There's a reason why a Finnish company is the biggest manufacturer and a British company is the biggest multinational carrier.
Thankfully things are changing and the US market is becoming more important. When LTE is up and running, North America could be the most important market. I'm sure the Chinese will have something to say about that though.
Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".
Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.
Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.
Your post is absolutely correct. I have read this thread over the last few days and have concluded that Adjei is a constant complainer, or in way over his or her head and in need of some sort of help. How hard is it to look in a manual? Nokia phones are fairly intuitive and require very little (maybe not in this case) user manual look up. The icons are clearly labled and when pressed do exactly what they say they will do. I find this as well with SE phones, LG phones, even Motorola phones. Adjei is just looking for an issue to complain about and failing very miserably in the process. I will not even touch on the rediculousness of the memory card arguement put forth.
In addition to the arguments put forth in this thread, several people are of the conclusion that everyone wants an iPhone when this is truly not the case. There are many, many people to whom the iPhone simply does not appeal, no matter how "wonderful" the UI is. Case in point, I work in the European office of a large US company but after looking at the iPhone, and its lack of business features (tethering, VoIP via GSM, OBEX file transfer, cut and paste, and other biz features) our IT department made the recommendation to wait and see what Nokia will have to offer because all the current E-series phones, as well as the N-series phones have these basic biz features and applications. As we run an Exchange based mail service, we can plug in with almost any Nokia, or SE phone. The same with our Blackberry users. From a biz prospective, the iPhone is not biz oriented no matter how much Apple likes to say it, or reporters spew the Apple marketing material. With this lack of foresight, and almost one sided view of the world that Apple exhibits. Just because you sell phones in several different countries does not mean that you understand these markets, and in our case cost Apple thousands of iPhones sales.
In the coming months, Nokia will release several levels of touch screen phones, all aimed at specific markets and they will succeed because the very same people that are not purchasing the iPhone will now have a viable alternative.
The choice of replacing a 16GB card with a 32, 64, 128 one (as they become available and cheap) is a GOOD thing. Some day the 16gigs of your iPhones might feel too little.
Except, as with >4GB cards, these required HARDWARE changes, and this will probably be the case for these massive cards.
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What might NOT be good is the bulkiness of the Symbian 60, maybe the thickness of the phone. Some people think the iPhone is too big, how big will this Nokia be compared to the iPhone?
S60 isn't really on a par with the iPhone OS, you'd be thinking more UIQ and the UIQ devices have been very, very crap recently.
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That's the problem, people are obsessed with all these numbers, they believe whatever number is higher means that the quality is higher. I mean can you believe that an old 3 mp camera that I had before takes better pictures than my current 8 mp camera, going by what's said on this site you wouldn't believe so.
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
A high-end touchscreen N-series phone may be able to have every single feature known to man packed into it, but I look at the current price of the N96 ($950 last I checked) and can't even imagine what a touchscreen version of that would cost. The highest-end N-series phones are way too expensive, and as such, Apple doesn't even worry about those, because that is not the market they are trying to reach. The average middle-class person cannot and will not spend almost $1,000 on a phone, but they can and will spend $200 on a phone that has a better interface, better music player, better web experience, better e-mail experience, and the availability of a full QWERTY keyboard instead of basic T9.
I think you've got your figures ever so slightly mixed up since it is the iPhone that is cosiderably more expensive than the N96 for instance. N96, sim free and unlocked from one reputable vendor in the UK = £500 ($1000 for the sake of it). The same reputable dealer sells an unlocked, sim free iPhone 3G 16GB for £900 ($1800). I'm sure I don't need to point out the bigger number to you...
They need:
1. Multiple models (nano with 3" screen, mid with 3.7" screen, pro with 4" screen)
No they don't. They have enough iPod models. Any more would cause too much confusion.
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
I think the original poster was only implying that there is a lot more to good photography than resolution. People send me horrible 17 MB pictures all the time. Just more pixels, still out of focus with lots of jpeg artifacts. That is the main issue with all cell phone cameras - difficult to hold the camera still will taking the shot and the cmos chip and the lens are of very low quality.
As for the camera, I know a lot of people that used to use their phones as cameras only to get an iPhone and moan that the cameras not good enough. Apple really should upgrade it in the next version.
The iPhone takes pretty nice photos in good light, ie some photos by me
http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2896216761/
and
http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2740611810/
Very noisy in low light though.
Being able to take photos and upload them to sites is a big thing and right now the iPhones camera just isn't good enough and is years out of date.
Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.
Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Yeah, plus the North American market is a real oddity in terms of how mobile phones are sold, so it really has no place in a general discussion about phone prices etc. In the majority of countries where the iPhone is sold, it is sold at a premium (which in North American terms is actually cheap, but for the rest of us civilised people, it's not!) and Nokia phones tend to be free in comparison. Again, in NA, they aren't, but that needs a seperate topic to discuss since it is so wildly different from how the rest of the world operates.
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
1.) No- really have no need for a data plan nor AT&T.
2.) As they exist now- an iPhone with a Verizon contract. (without data plan preferred)
Ok thanks for the reply
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
Nokia phones sync well, Apple has support for quite a lot with iSync, and Nokia provide support for most S60, and some S40 phones as well. They also provide tools to sync with iPhoto and iTunes.
As for ease of use, very easy, load iSync and sync
Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here,
Dude, no we are not.
Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
So what, the average consumer won't be printing large enlargements so 3 mp is good for them and if I want to print large enlargements I sure wouldn't be using a smartphone.
The iPhone takes pretty nice photos in good light, ie some photos by me
http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2896216761/
and
http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2740611810/
Very noisy in low light though.
Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.
Don't mind them, those photos look just fine and is good enough for the average consumer, I mean people are acting as if these so called 5 mp cameraphones are being used for professional photography.
Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.
Nokia is a phone company, so if they sell millions of throw-away phones, so what? I myself have several of them in a landfill.
What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".
Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.
Overall, America is without a doubt the most powerful economy in the world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're the most powerful in every single industry though.
The sad truth is that the US market has a long history of being a cellular backwater. The reasons are quite complex - inappropriate regulation, a huge landmass to cover and many cultural factors. There's a reason why a Finnish company is the biggest manufacturer and a British company is the biggest multinational carrier.
Thankfully things are changing and the US market is becoming more important. When LTE is up and running, North America could be the most important market. I'm sure the Chinese will have something to say about that though.
Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".
Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.
Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.
Your post is absolutely correct. I have read this thread over the last few days and have concluded that Adjei is a constant complainer, or in way over his or her head and in need of some sort of help. How hard is it to look in a manual? Nokia phones are fairly intuitive and require very little (maybe not in this case) user manual look up. The icons are clearly labled and when pressed do exactly what they say they will do. I find this as well with SE phones, LG phones, even Motorola phones. Adjei is just looking for an issue to complain about and failing very miserably in the process. I will not even touch on the rediculousness of the memory card arguement put forth.
In the coming months, Nokia will release several levels of touch screen phones, all aimed at specific markets and they will succeed because the very same people that are not purchasing the iPhone will now have a viable alternative.
The choice of replacing a 16GB card with a 32, 64, 128 one (as they become available and cheap) is a GOOD thing. Some day the 16gigs of your iPhones might feel too little.
Except, as with >4GB cards, these required HARDWARE changes, and this will probably be the case for these massive cards.
What might NOT be good is the bulkiness of the Symbian 60, maybe the thickness of the phone. Some people think the iPhone is too big, how big will this Nokia be compared to the iPhone?
S60 isn't really on a par with the iPhone OS, you'd be thinking more UIQ and the UIQ devices have been very, very crap recently.