? Apple does not plan to offer a matte-finish display on the new MacBook Pro, meaning customers will be stuck with only one option: glossy.
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If true, this really sucks. Glossy works fine for all those photos of your pet kitty and bunny?
Glossy is horrible if you do serious visual/photo/graphics work!
I can't imagine doing my VectorWorks CAD and 3D modeling while being blinded by reflections. Actually, I can. I teach some VectorWorks classes and the school just got new 24" iMacs. While doable, it's pretty bad. I find myself squinting too much. With a laptop, a MOBILE machine where you can't control ambient lighting, it'll be awful!
Does Apple expect their CORE market to be forced to resort to an NFL-style replay camera hoods!?!?!?!?
Since the new display is priced for the PRO market... Color Correct? LED backlighting? Fast Refresh Rate? ? Let's hope they don't make the same mistake! I've been dying to replace my old dying 22" Mitsubishi CRT monitor (it still works pretty well, except for the occasional flashing on and off).
Maybe there will be a resurgent market for screen glare protectors... JUST like the 80's!
The MacBook price is simply too high. If this turns out to be true, I'm gunna be pissed, since I've waited since mid-summer to switch from a dying toshiba notebook. In these economic conditions, you cannot lower specs and raise prices on the entry-level unit... absurd. If true, Ballmer will, unfortunately, have a valid reason to laugh his a** off.
I've been wanting to buy a mac for some time, as my current Toshiba laptop is very old. My friend told me to wait a while because they were bringing out these new ones, but reading all this stuff about them has really put me off. I don't want a glossy screen, and they seem like they will be too expensive anyway.
Does anyone know if they will sell off the old 15" MBPs with the matte screens cheaply (or cheaper, at least) after the new ones come out?
My advice is not to listen to the complaining and as far as the glossy screen goes, wait until you can try one - spend more than one minute working with the thing and don't just try and see reflections (you will be able to), and then make your mind up. I have both a glossy macBook and an old non glossy laptop and I honestly don't think about it anymore. Only when I come to places like here.
This is just not fun anymore. Apple, can't you keep people silent until Jobs is on the stage?
/Adrian
Reminds me of the time my brother and I found an electric train set hidden in the attic. By the time Christmas came, it was a total let down.
Right now we have a lot of conclusions, demands, threats, accusations, etc., made by guys that never had a Mac, never will and and obviously ignorant as hell, but will put their ugly 2¢ in based on what, rumour, innuendoes, half-truths, lies, and more lies. Amazing yet, is the number of misquotes. And it is always buy the same guys.
You guys are too much dollar-centric. There exist other currencies, especially euro and yen. The dollar exchange rate is so low that it is impossible for Apple not to rise theirs prices.
Errr... Apple does its own conversion, and it's not really in favor of Europe... Until recently, it was a plain 1$ = 1?. Lately, the difference was so huge that Apple finally decided to differentiate... But it's not really impressive and still far from the true exchange rate... Still a lot cheaper to buy Apple stuff (or other brands, like Nikon) during your holidays in the US...
So, the laptop that are overpriced in the USA will be as overpriced in Europe, unless you're willing to have them shipped directly from the USA (with all the warranty problems)...
my 12" PB has the ports all on 1 side so I wouldn't say all the ports on 1 side means anything. It just makes it easier to make it thinner since you don't have to couple the optical drive on the same side as I/O ports. Personally I've never liked the front loading drive anyway - I'm never sitting around with my laptop in a place were the front has 5" of free space in front of it.
That may be true in the EU but it's not true in GB. I've had a long discussion with a Brit about this and we found that our british counterparts make about half of what an American makes for the same job and currently the exchange rate is under 2:1 so a $1000 laptop is no more affordable than a 500 GBP laptop. Do you have any numbers for average pay to backup your claim?
Edit: Apple is dollar centric because they are a US based company and they make most of their profits from the US so of course it's going to be dollar centric...
Well, I know Apple is American, as far as California is a part of the US. With an (former) Austrian governor, California is maybe on the verge of adopting Euro as commercial currency, who knows?
As for the income level in the UK, I must admit I have no clue. As an average editor, I earn something like € 2000 a month. By no means I imply that this is the current average income in France, but it is no way exceptional (for example, I have many friends teachers that earn about the same amount as I do). Take also into account that the average prices here in France are 20 to 30% lower than the UK ones, except maybe for pudding or cheddar.
Nevertheless, don't be fooled. We are not rolling over gold, as the French saying goes. But yet, a € 1000 MacBook is not something out of reach or reserved to a very happy few.
Errr... Apple does its own conversion, and it's not really in favor of Europe... Until recently, it was a plain 1$ = 1€. Lately, the difference was so huge that Apple finally decided to differentiate... But it's not really impressive and still far from the true exchange rate... Still a lot cheaper to buy Apple stuff (or other brands, like Nikon) during your holidays in the US...
So, the laptop that are overpriced in the USA will be as overpriced in Europe, unless you're willing to have them shipped directly from the USA (with all the warranty problems)...
Besides, you're right, prices in Europe have never been balanced, and always overpriced. Yet, I don't expect a 1:1 operation. Besides, I can get the educational rebate, so…
These specs and price points hardly seem to match Apple's statement that they are expecting margin hits... unless they are talking about exchange rate hedging. It really doesn't do anything for computers that their competition can't match.
While I love the style of an aluminum laptop, I long for a cool wrist surface on my laptop that doesn't get scratched to hell.
Listen, if you don't like the new specs and prices, then just buy a refurbished model. Better yet, find a teacher friend to help you buy one and get the education discount to boot. If the old style is going to be $999, it'll be $899 refurbished, and about $810 refurbished with the education discount.
Then you can stop whining, and enjoy your wise purchase.
Let's be honest, on the cinema displays, matte is the only way to go, but the matte laptop displays are nowhere NEAR color correct. At first I was outraged, but then again, if you are doing color critical work, you should not be doing it on ANY laptop screen, period.
Besides, you're right, prices in Europe have never been balanced, and always overpriced. Yet, I don't expect a 1:1 operation. Besides, I can get the educational rebate, so…
How did you get those characters? Did you use the character palette?
You do know that you can type an acute accent by pressing option-e followed by the letter you want accented? (e.g. pressing option-e then i gives you: Ã* [i with an acute accent in case that doesn't come out properly]. likewise, a grave accent can be added to a letter by pressing option-grave before hand, option-u gives an umlaut, option-i a circumflex and option-n a tilde. C with a cedilla can be type by pressing option-c.
The way I see it there are two big possible downsides to this announcement if all that we think we know now turns out to be true. Specifically, if Apple really is going to sell lower chip speeds at the same price and also sell almost all their systems at the same price points as last time...
1) Sure, the Megahertz is no longer a good rule of thumb to determine overall snappiness, but the average consumer doesn't know that and doesn't think that way.
2) Sure the reasons for the prices are based on a lower dollar and the fact that the end user is actually getting more value for that same price, but the average consumer doesn't care and will only see the sticker price.
Managing public perceptions and understanding the low end of the consumer market has always been one of Apple's weak points. I doesn't matter if the products are a good value for the money, if all the consumers see is:
- no cheap laptops like all the other manufacturers are selling
- no small netbook/latops like all the other manufacturers are selling
- no lower prices in general
The economic climate also figures in to this in that it's the absolute worst time not to come out with a cheaper product. People are expecting it and will likely be disappointed. The disappointment will lead to negative articles and that won't be good.
How did you get those characters? Did you use the character palette?
You do know that you can type an acute accent by pressing option-e followed by the letter you want accented? (e.g. pressing option-e then i gives you: Ã* [i with an acute accent in case that doesn't come out properly]. likewise, a grave accent can be added to a letter by pressing option-grave before hand, option-u gives an umlaut, option-i a circumflex and option-n a tilde. C with a cedilla can be type by pressing option-c.
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? Apple does not plan to offer a matte-finish display on the new MacBook Pro, meaning customers will be stuck with only one option: glossy.
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If true, this really sucks. Glossy works fine for all those photos of your pet kitty and bunny?
Glossy is horrible if you do serious visual/photo/graphics work!
I can't imagine doing my VectorWorks CAD and 3D modeling while being blinded by reflections. Actually, I can. I teach some VectorWorks classes and the school just got new 24" iMacs. While doable, it's pretty bad. I find myself squinting too much. With a laptop, a MOBILE machine where you can't control ambient lighting, it'll be awful!
Does Apple expect their CORE market to be forced to resort to an NFL-style replay camera hoods!?!?!?!?
http://www.hoodmanusa.com/prodinfo.a...ber=E2000%2D15
EGAD!
Since the new display is priced for the PRO market... Color Correct? LED backlighting? Fast Refresh Rate? ? Let's hope they don't make the same mistake! I've been dying to replace my old dying 22" Mitsubishi CRT monitor (it still works pretty well, except for the occasional flashing on and off).
Maybe there will be a resurgent market for screen glare protectors... JUST like the 80's!
I've been wanting to buy a mac for some time, as my current Toshiba laptop is very old. My friend told me to wait a while because they were bringing out these new ones, but reading all this stuff about them has really put me off. I don't want a glossy screen, and they seem like they will be too expensive anyway.
Does anyone know if they will sell off the old 15" MBPs with the matte screens cheaply (or cheaper, at least) after the new ones come out?
My advice is not to listen to the complaining and as far as the glossy screen goes, wait until you can try one - spend more than one minute working with the thing and don't just try and see reflections (you will be able to), and then make your mind up. I have both a glossy macBook and an old non glossy laptop and I honestly don't think about it anymore. Only when I come to places like here.
This is just not fun anymore. Apple, can't you keep people silent until Jobs is on the stage?
/Adrian
Reminds me of the time my brother and I found an electric train set hidden in the attic. By the time Christmas came, it was a total let down.
Right now we have a lot of conclusions, demands, threats, accusations, etc., made by guys that never had a Mac, never will and and obviously ignorant as hell, but will put their ugly 2¢ in based on what, rumour, innuendoes, half-truths, lies, and more lies. Amazing yet, is the number of misquotes. And it is always buy the same guys.
You guys are too much dollar-centric. There exist other currencies, especially euro and yen. The dollar exchange rate is so low that it is impossible for Apple not to rise theirs prices.
Errr... Apple does its own conversion, and it's not really in favor of Europe... Until recently, it was a plain 1$ = 1?. Lately, the difference was so huge that Apple finally decided to differentiate... But it's not really impressive and still far from the true exchange rate... Still a lot cheaper to buy Apple stuff (or other brands, like Nikon) during your holidays in the US...
So, the laptop that are overpriced in the USA will be as overpriced in Europe, unless you're willing to have them shipped directly from the USA (with all the warranty problems)...
Unless of course, that's what the mystery port on the side of the enclosure is?
If true, this really sucks. Glossy works fine for all those photos of your pet kitty and bunny…
Glossy is horrible if you do serious visual/photo/graphics work!
Maybe there will be a resurgent market for screen glare protectors... JUST like the 80's!
Number crunching on a glossy is also a frk'n nightmare!!!!!
That may be true in the EU but it's not true in GB. I've had a long discussion with a Brit about this and we found that our british counterparts make about half of what an American makes for the same job and currently the exchange rate is under 2:1 so a $1000 laptop is no more affordable than a 500 GBP laptop. Do you have any numbers for average pay to backup your claim?
Edit: Apple is dollar centric because they are a US based company and they make most of their profits from the US so of course it's going to be dollar centric...
Well, I know Apple is American, as far as California is a part of the US. With an (former) Austrian governor, California is maybe on the verge of adopting Euro as commercial currency, who knows?
As for the income level in the UK, I must admit I have no clue. As an average editor, I earn something like € 2000 a month. By no means I imply that this is the current average income in France, but it is no way exceptional (for example, I have many friends teachers that earn about the same amount as I do). Take also into account that the average prices here in France are 20 to 30% lower than the UK ones, except maybe for pudding or cheddar.
Nevertheless, don't be fooled. We are not rolling over gold, as the French saying goes. But yet, a € 1000 MacBook is not something out of reach or reserved to a very happy few.
Would not be surprised that Apple is pulling some surprise out for which reason they've allowed leaking of materials on the 'lesser' new products.
We'll know it soon.
Errr... Apple does its own conversion, and it's not really in favor of Europe... Until recently, it was a plain 1$ = 1€. Lately, the difference was so huge that Apple finally decided to differentiate... But it's not really impressive and still far from the true exchange rate... Still a lot cheaper to buy Apple stuff (or other brands, like Nikon) during your holidays in the US...
So, the laptop that are overpriced in the USA will be as overpriced in Europe, unless you're willing to have them shipped directly from the USA (with all the warranty problems)...
Warranty I don't care. But I simply don't want of this bl*** QWERTY keyboard I can't type a é or a Ã* or a ç with. Since I am editor, I can't allow myself to twiddle 15 seconds each time I have a diacritic to type in!
Besides, you're right, prices in Europe have never been balanced, and always overpriced. Yet, I don't expect a 1:1 operation. Besides, I can get the educational rebate, so…
While I love the style of an aluminum laptop, I long for a cool wrist surface on my laptop that doesn't get scratched to hell.
It's funny to read the comments on rumors...like anything has been confirmed already?
Would not be surprised that Apple is pulling some surprise out for which reason they've allowed leaking of materials on the 'lesser' new products.
We'll know it soon.
I'm too excited- I just peed myself!!!
Then you can stop whining, and enjoy your wise purchase.
Warranty I don't care. But I simply don't want of this bl*** QWERTY keyboard I can't type a é or a Ã* or a ç with. Since I am editor, I can't allow myself to twiddle 15 seconds each time I have a diacritic to type in!
Besides, you're right, prices in Europe have never been balanced, and always overpriced. Yet, I don't expect a 1:1 operation. Besides, I can get the educational rebate, so…
How did you get those characters? Did you use the character palette?
You do know that you can type an acute accent by pressing option-e followed by the letter you want accented? (e.g. pressing option-e then i gives you: Ã* [i with an acute accent in case that doesn't come out properly]. likewise, a grave accent can be added to a letter by pressing option-grave before hand, option-u gives an umlaut, option-i a circumflex and option-n a tilde. C with a cedilla can be type by pressing option-c.
1) Sure, the Megahertz is no longer a good rule of thumb to determine overall snappiness, but the average consumer doesn't know that and doesn't think that way.
2) Sure the reasons for the prices are based on a lower dollar and the fact that the end user is actually getting more value for that same price, but the average consumer doesn't care and will only see the sticker price.
Managing public perceptions and understanding the low end of the consumer market has always been one of Apple's weak points. I doesn't matter if the products are a good value for the money, if all the consumers see is:
- no cheap laptops like all the other manufacturers are selling
- no small netbook/latops like all the other manufacturers are selling
- no lower prices in general
The economic climate also figures in to this in that it's the absolute worst time not to come out with a cheaper product. People are expecting it and will likely be disappointed. The disappointment will lead to negative articles and that won't be good.
How did you get those characters? Did you use the character palette?
You do know that you can type an acute accent by pressing option-e followed by the letter you want accented? (e.g. pressing option-e then i gives you: Ã* [i with an acute accent in case that doesn't come out properly]. likewise, a grave accent can be added to a letter by pressing option-grave before hand, option-u gives an umlaut, option-i a circumflex and option-n a tilde. C with a cedilla can be type by pressing option-c.
I know that. But the French AZERTY keybord has already built-in keys for é è ç Ã* ù and a dead ^ and dead ¨. I type more than 15 kiB of text every day, I am used to this keyboard like every French typographic specialist is, and I can't sacrifice it for a QWERTY, even if some weird keyboard combination gives me the same output. It is just like asking me to give you lengths in inches or weight in pounds. Just cerebrally impossible!
With that rumor seemingly dead, there's nothing in this for me to get excited about, as a consumer or as an AAPL stockholder.
Seriously, they're RAISING the price on the base model? I sure hope not.