That's interesting, seriously. I'd like to compare 32 and 64 bit Vista side by side on equal hardware.
I've got one thing I need Windows for these days. If I could do that one thing on OS X I'd turn off my last Windows machine and not look back. It's a gut reaction after 15 years of Windows and 4 years of Mac. My gut tells me I'm more productive with the Mac. And I don't waste hours babysitting the virus stuff.
That's interesting, seriously. I'd like to compare 32 and 64 bit Vista side by side on equal hardware.
I've got one thing I need Windows for these days. If I could do that one thing on OS X I'd turn off my last Windows machine and not look back. It's a gut reaction after 15 years of Windows and 4 years of Mac. My gut tells me I'm more productive with the Mac. And I don't waste hours babysitting the virus stuff.
I don't have Vista 32 and 64 on the same machine, but I do use Vista 32bit on a similarly spec'd machine and x64 is noticably faster and more stable.
I also don't worry about viruses, never get them. But just for the hell of it I downloaded a file with a known virus and purposefully let it past UAC(otherwise it wouldn't infect the system) on Vista 32bit and I could never quite get rid of it. So I reformatted.
I did the same thing on Vista x64 and it wouldn't even install the virus. It just couldn't even run. Even letting it past UAC the virus would not operate.
What bugs me is that no one, not even these supposed Microsoft techies, pointed out that Macs do of course run Windows, and in fact are better at it than those $499 PCs!
If Apple would highlight this one-world approach of their hardware more aggressively, they would eventually crush Microsoft. How many people -- running, say, Vista via Parallels on a fast Mac -- would choose to use any Windows environment once they experienced the two OS's side by side over a period of time? More importantly, who would buy a Dell if they understood that a "premium experience" Mac desktop could run Vista much better than the average Dell?
Apple should hammer this home with an ad that shows the Mac guy running all the PC guy's apps, while the PC chokes (literally?) on all the Mac's apps.
You missed the date reference in the article. Mossberg was commenting on pre-Intel Macs running Tiger, comparing them to the upcoming release of Vista. His statement was made in Oct 2005, before any Intel Macs were released.
Microsoft made some mistakes. We get it. No one is perfect. Vista is a really good operating system. Vista being slower is inaccurate. Very inaccurate. It requires more RAM. 512-1GB of ram is not enough. Atleast 2 maybe 3 to run it smoothly. RAM upgrades have solved 95% of my customers problems with vista. (I work at a PC shop) Microsoft of course is preparing for the competition this is nothing new. Every company does it.
When a Windows operating system in 2008 still needs anti-virus, then it is a complete disgrace.
The idea that users have to buy a separate product to partially complete the basic security functions just amazes me.
If I bought a ticket on a budget airline's website at a really low price, then saw an option to add a parachute, there's no way I would fly !
Why the hell would they stick a label that reads, (Vista Ready) if they knew all along it wasn't, only the Geniuses At M$ft would thought of that, no wonder they also claim the Zune has a 30 hour battery life when you can't even get 15 out of it
How would you know how much battery life you can get from a Zune? How would anyone know? Nobody's tried to use a Zune for 15 hours...
You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life.
If only my Windows-using friends were as lucky. One of them got hosed quite badly just last year. He was pretty pissed about it too.
I think games are the only thing keeping him on Windows. Guess I should get around to telling him that he can run Windows on Apple hardware. I haven't bothered so far 'cuz he used to be quite the Microsoft fanboi, and I guess I want him to learn his lesson a bit more first.
Microsoft made some mistakes. We get it. No one is perfect. Vista is a really good operating system. Vista being slower is inaccurate. Very inaccurate. It requires more RAM. 512-1GB of ram is not enough. Atleast 2 maybe 3 to run it smoothly. RAM upgrades have solved 95% of my customers problems with vista. (I work at a PC shop) Microsoft of course is preparing for the competition this is nothing new. Every company does it.
Um yeah, that's what makes Vista slower... Slower on the same computer, that's the only reasonable way to call something slower or faster.
I can also say that setting up a new computer for a customer seems to take me twice as long as it does with XP... so in one sense I don't complain because I get paid twice as much, but it's a pain in the butt.
I don't have Vista 32 and 64 on the same machine, but I do use Vista 32bit on a similarly spec'd machine and x64 is noticably faster and more stable.
I also don't worry about viruses, never get them. But just for the hell of it I downloaded a file with a known virus and purposefully let it past UAC(otherwise it wouldn't infect the system) on Vista 32bit and I could never quite get rid of it. So I reformatted.
I did the same thing on Vista x64 and it wouldn't even install the virus. It just couldn't even run. Even letting it past UAC the virus would not operate.
Gee I wonder why that is? It MAY have something to do with the virus being a 32 bit program?
Gee I wonder why that is? It MAY have something to do with the virus being a 32 bit program?
32bit programs can run just fine in a 64bit OS.
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I'm assuming you don't run a virus scanner?
If so, then how do you know that you've never had one? Just because it's never poked its head up and done anything you could see?
Trendmicro housecall can be run from the web. Occasionally I can also install one and check. Right now I do have Kaspersky installed and since there is no performance hit I just leave it on there. I also have AVG on my HTPC as again, there is no performance hit so why not.
Let me start by saying that I'm a huge Apple fanboy and don't consider Windows even close to being the same class of OS as OS X. At the same time, I do use multiple OSes an a regular basis. I'm a bigger overall geek than Apple fanboy, I guess. I'm also an IT administrator in a cross-platform publishing company.
That being said, it is my opinion that (given the correct hardware), Vista is a huge improvement over XP. There is a little TOO much transparency effects in the UI, but it looks very nice. It's very speedy (again, on the correct hardware) and everything has worked just as well as XP (which doesn't say much), but not in the sense that it is buggy. It is simply not as well designed and easy to use as OS X (especially on an IT admin level where Windows is not exclusive). Will I ever switch to Vista? Hell, f#@k no! Do I think it is as bad as some people (especially us mac lovers) make it out to be? Not at all. Does Microsoft have the worst marketing and (Windows) R&D per capita? Absolutely. That is what is hurting them the most. WIll I stop asking myself questions now? Okay.
I pretty much agree and I use both too and yes Vista runs fine for me but .... I would say that after all these years it amazes me how many totally dumb things are still there, really simple UI stuff such as an important dialog box hiding behind another or constant fights over who wins the warning wars between Vista and the Kaspersky or what ever system one has to use. Or how about that stupid "Have you seen the Yellow Bar?" in IE when Active X needs to run. It is such a mess compared to OS X. The best thing is the ability to run Vista in VMWare or Parallels, it makes it so much easier to deal with not to mention way faster to install. I use Bonjour for Windows (so much easier to deal with networked printers), QuickTime for Windows, Safari ... you get the picture, Apple make it far better.
You know, interestingly, Apple also sells multiple copies of Mac OS, although in this case it is to a MUCH lesser degree and distributed in a MUCH more sensible fashion. Very telling, since essentially both companies have the same problem and their solutions say a lot about them. Consider these two examples:
On my 12" PB G4 with 32MB Nvidia Graphics card, the menu bar is the non-transparent one (the other option is not available) and when I add widgets to Dashboard, I don't get the ripple effect. This is similar to the difference in aero graphics between Vista basic and professional.
Macbooks and computers with the new touchpads run different versions that have multitouch capabilities built-in.
Again, look at the difference in how the companies have burdened the consumer with choosing between these things.
You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life. And with UAC on I don't believe it's possible for any virus to actually install and run.
However there are keyloggers and trojans for OSX. In the laptop challenge it was OSX that was hacked a full day before Vista and Ubuntu.
Most infected people don't know that they were infected.
My brother has one of those free AV programs installed. After installing Mcafee and performed a scan we found more than 15 trojans and viruses.
The point is that not everyone is a computer expert and most people don't know what a virus is or what it can do. Many think that viruses break your computer or erase your HD and as long as your computer is running you are fine.
Most infected people don't know that they were infected.
My brother has one of those free AV programs installed. After installing Mcafee and performed a scan we found more than 15 trojans and viruses.
The point is that not everyone is a computer expert and most people don't know what a virus is or what it can do. Many think that viruses break your computer or erase your HD and as long as your computer is running you are fine.
True, but smarter computing habits apply whether you run Windows or OSX. Both can get keyloggers and trojans and people can fall for phishing scams.
Vista x64 with UAC turned on is pretty damn secure. I have yet to hear of a single virus that has infected this type of system. Unless the user allowed it to happen.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE OSX. There are things about it that I wish were in windows and vice versa. What i'm saying is that people are buying into the marketing or they heard from a cousins friend, blah blah, none of which is true. Windows is not full of viruses and the moment you go to look at the news you get infected. Nor is Vista slow and buggy. Like I said in a previous post it's faster and more stable than leopard on the same machine. But apple has acknowledged there are issues with leopard and are addressing performance and stability with snow leopard.
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That's interesting, seriously. I'd like to compare 32 and 64 bit Vista side by side on equal hardware.
I've got one thing I need Windows for these days. If I could do that one thing on OS X I'd turn off my last Windows machine and not look back. It's a gut reaction after 15 years of Windows and 4 years of Mac. My gut tells me I'm more productive with the Mac. And I don't waste hours babysitting the virus stuff.
Out of curiosity, what is this ONE thing?
Creating my screencasts about how to do stuff on OS X ! ; )
That's interesting, seriously. I'd like to compare 32 and 64 bit Vista side by side on equal hardware.
I've got one thing I need Windows for these days. If I could do that one thing on OS X I'd turn off my last Windows machine and not look back. It's a gut reaction after 15 years of Windows and 4 years of Mac. My gut tells me I'm more productive with the Mac. And I don't waste hours babysitting the virus stuff.
I don't have Vista 32 and 64 on the same machine, but I do use Vista 32bit on a similarly spec'd machine and x64 is noticably faster and more stable.
I also don't worry about viruses, never get them. But just for the hell of it I downloaded a file with a known virus and purposefully let it past UAC(otherwise it wouldn't infect the system) on Vista 32bit and I could never quite get rid of it. So I reformatted.
I did the same thing on Vista x64 and it wouldn't even install the virus. It just couldn't even run. Even letting it past UAC the virus would not operate.
What bugs me is that no one, not even these supposed Microsoft techies, pointed out that Macs do of course run Windows, and in fact are better at it than those $499 PCs!
If Apple would highlight this one-world approach of their hardware more aggressively, they would eventually crush Microsoft. How many people -- running, say, Vista via Parallels on a fast Mac -- would choose to use any Windows environment once they experienced the two OS's side by side over a period of time? More importantly, who would buy a Dell if they understood that a "premium experience" Mac desktop could run Vista much better than the average Dell?
Apple should hammer this home with an ad that shows the Mac guy running all the PC guy's apps, while the PC chokes (literally?) on all the Mac's apps.
You missed the date reference in the article. Mossberg was commenting on pre-Intel Macs running Tiger, comparing them to the upcoming release of Vista. His statement was made in Oct 2005, before any Intel Macs were released.
Microsoft made some mistakes. We get it. No one is perfect. Vista is a really good operating system. Vista being slower is inaccurate. Very inaccurate. It requires more RAM. 512-1GB of ram is not enough. Atleast 2 maybe 3 to run it smoothly. RAM upgrades have solved 95% of my customers problems with vista. (I work at a PC shop) Microsoft of course is preparing for the competition this is nothing new. Every company does it.
When a Windows operating system in 2008 still needs anti-virus, then it is a complete disgrace.
The idea that users have to buy a separate product to partially complete the basic security functions just amazes me.
If I bought a ticket on a budget airline's website at a really low price, then saw an option to add a parachute, there's no way I would fly !
When a Windows operating system in 2008 still needs anti-virus, then it is a complete disgrace.
The idea that users have to buy a separate product to partially complete the basic security functions just amazes me.
If I bought a ticket on a budget airline's website at a really low price, then saw an option to add a parachute, there's no way I would fly !
You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life. And with UAC on I don't believe it's possible for any virus to actually install and run.
However there are keyloggers and trojans for OSX. In the laptop challenge it was OSX that was hacked a full day before Vista and Ubuntu.
Why the hell would they stick a label that reads, (Vista Ready) if they knew all along it wasn't, only the Geniuses At M$ft would thought of that, no wonder they also claim the Zune has a 30 hour battery life when you can't even get 15 out of it
How would you know how much battery life you can get from a Zune? How would anyone know? Nobody's tried to use a Zune for 15 hours...
How would you know how much battery life you can get from a Zune? How would anyone know? Nobody's tried to use a Zune for 15 hours...
Noone would know
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Creating my screencasts about how to do stuff on OS X ! ; )
Sigh. If only Adobe would pull its head out of its arse and release Captivate for OS X.
Camtasia for Mac anytime soon?
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You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life.
If only my Windows-using friends were as lucky. One of them got hosed quite badly just last year. He was pretty pissed about it too.
I think games are the only thing keeping him on Windows. Guess I should get around to telling him that he can run Windows on Apple hardware. I haven't bothered so far 'cuz he used to be quite the Microsoft fanboi, and I guess I want him to learn his lesson a bit more first.
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Microsoft made some mistakes. We get it. No one is perfect. Vista is a really good operating system. Vista being slower is inaccurate. Very inaccurate. It requires more RAM. 512-1GB of ram is not enough. Atleast 2 maybe 3 to run it smoothly. RAM upgrades have solved 95% of my customers problems with vista. (I work at a PC shop) Microsoft of course is preparing for the competition this is nothing new. Every company does it.
Um yeah, that's what makes Vista slower... Slower on the same computer, that's the only reasonable way to call something slower or faster.
I can also say that setting up a new computer for a customer seems to take me twice as long as it does with XP... so in one sense I don't complain because I get paid twice as much, but it's a pain in the butt.
I don't have Vista 32 and 64 on the same machine, but I do use Vista 32bit on a similarly spec'd machine and x64 is noticably faster and more stable.
I also don't worry about viruses, never get them. But just for the hell of it I downloaded a file with a known virus and purposefully let it past UAC(otherwise it wouldn't infect the system) on Vista 32bit and I could never quite get rid of it. So I reformatted.
I did the same thing on Vista x64 and it wouldn't even install the virus. It just couldn't even run. Even letting it past UAC the virus would not operate.
Gee I wonder why that is? It MAY have something to do with the virus being a 32 bit program?
You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life. And with UAC on I don't believe it's possible for any virus to actually install and run.
I'm assuming you don't run a virus scanner?
If so, then how do you know that you've never had one? Just because it's never poked its head up and done anything you could see?
Gee I wonder why that is? It MAY have something to do with the virus being a 32 bit program?
32bit programs can run just fine in a 64bit OS.
I'm assuming you don't run a virus scanner?
If so, then how do you know that you've never had one? Just because it's never poked its head up and done anything you could see?
Trendmicro housecall can be run from the web. Occasionally I can also install one and check. Right now I do have Kaspersky installed and since there is no performance hit I just leave it on there. I also have AVG on my HTPC as again, there is no performance hit so why not.
Let me start by saying that I'm a huge Apple fanboy and don't consider Windows even close to being the same class of OS as OS X. At the same time, I do use multiple OSes an a regular basis. I'm a bigger overall geek than Apple fanboy, I guess. I'm also an IT administrator in a cross-platform publishing company.
That being said, it is my opinion that (given the correct hardware), Vista is a huge improvement over XP. There is a little TOO much transparency effects in the UI, but it looks very nice. It's very speedy (again, on the correct hardware) and everything has worked just as well as XP (which doesn't say much), but not in the sense that it is buggy. It is simply not as well designed and easy to use as OS X (especially on an IT admin level where Windows is not exclusive). Will I ever switch to Vista? Hell, f#@k no! Do I think it is as bad as some people (especially us mac lovers) make it out to be? Not at all. Does Microsoft have the worst marketing and (Windows) R&D per capita? Absolutely. That is what is hurting them the most. WIll I stop asking myself questions now? Okay.
I pretty much agree and I use both too and yes Vista runs fine for me but .... I would say that after all these years it amazes me how many totally dumb things are still there, really simple UI stuff such as an important dialog box hiding behind another or constant fights over who wins the warning wars between Vista and the Kaspersky or what ever system one has to use. Or how about that stupid "Have you seen the Yellow Bar?" in IE when Active X needs to run. It is such a mess compared to OS X. The best thing is the ability to run Vista in VMWare or Parallels, it makes it so much easier to deal with not to mention way faster to install. I use Bonjour for Windows (so much easier to deal with networked printers), QuickTime for Windows, Safari ... you get the picture, Apple make it far better.
On my 12" PB G4 with 32MB Nvidia Graphics card, the menu bar is the non-transparent one (the other option is not available) and when I add widgets to Dashboard, I don't get the ripple effect. This is similar to the difference in aero graphics between Vista basic and professional.
Macbooks and computers with the new touchpads run different versions that have multitouch capabilities built-in.
Again, look at the difference in how the companies have burdened the consumer with choosing between these things.
You don't need one. I have NEVER been infected in my life. And with UAC on I don't believe it's possible for any virus to actually install and run.
However there are keyloggers and trojans for OSX. In the laptop challenge it was OSX that was hacked a full day before Vista and Ubuntu.
Most infected people don't know that they were infected.
My brother has one of those free AV programs installed. After installing Mcafee and performed a scan we found more than 15 trojans and viruses.
The point is that not everyone is a computer expert and most people don't know what a virus is or what it can do. Many think that viruses break your computer or erase your HD and as long as your computer is running you are fine.
Most infected people don't know that they were infected.
My brother has one of those free AV programs installed. After installing Mcafee and performed a scan we found more than 15 trojans and viruses.
The point is that not everyone is a computer expert and most people don't know what a virus is or what it can do. Many think that viruses break your computer or erase your HD and as long as your computer is running you are fine.
True, but smarter computing habits apply whether you run Windows or OSX. Both can get keyloggers and trojans and people can fall for phishing scams.
Vista x64 with UAC turned on is pretty damn secure. I have yet to hear of a single virus that has infected this type of system. Unless the user allowed it to happen.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE OSX. There are things about it that I wish were in windows and vice versa. What i'm saying is that people are buying into the marketing or they heard from a cousins friend, blah blah, none of which is true. Windows is not full of viruses and the moment you go to look at the news you get infected. Nor is Vista slow and buggy. Like I said in a previous post it's faster and more stable than leopard on the same machine. But apple has acknowledged there are issues with leopard and are addressing performance and stability with snow leopard.
Both companies have their faults.
Creating my screencasts about how to do stuff on OS X ! ; )
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