I'm not denying that netbooks are useful for some segment of people. I'm saying that their isn't much money in them for the computer maker.
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Don't agree. the "netbook" is taking off as a significant new market niche, a 'laptop lite.' it's not for everyone, but certainly will sell in the many millions thanks to its convenient portability in our new age of ubiquitous wifi and online services/media. Apple would be stupid to forfeit this new market segment by ignoring it. those are just sales and profits it won't ever get, and brand loyalty it will lose. the Air is no answer, it costs way too much.
I see your point. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
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Hell I don't really "need" a computer but it's nice to have. Conroe vs Merom wasn't a big issue but Core I7 is going to be more of an issue because the mobile quad core parts aren't due for a while and they will not be cheap.
I see your point. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Either way Core I7 is the way to go. I read the blog from an engineer at Cineform and he basically stated that he knew that Nehalem was going to give a nice boost but even he was shocked about how fast that eventual boost was.
Oh please, I dont think opening up the iPhone in China will switch the sales mood. China people dont care about brand loyalty, get the iPhone there and it will be cracked and hacked.
I'm not denying that netbooks are useful for some segment of people. I'm saying that their isn't much money in them for the computer maker.
well, if Apple is making a good profit now on the 3.5" Touch, a 7" version should be a good money maker too. essentially the same parts and software inside. bigger case, bigger screen, bigger battery. hopefully "n" wifi. so maybe $50 more to manufacture. at a price at least $100 more to buy. should work.
I'm not upgrading my iMac until I can have Nehalem and if I have to wait until late 2009, then so be it. Having said that - it's always fun to speculate and anticipate what Apple products will arrive at Macworld ...w00t.
As I am of half-Chinese half-Indian* descent, I could be offended. Actually I had a chuckle though. A Mac definitely loves you a hell of a lot longer time than a virus-infected PC.
*as in India, not native American
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But the most important question is, "will it love you long time?"
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That's a Vietnam reference, not a China reference.
I've seen the desktop i7 at an Intel demo recently, and as exciting as it is, no offense to anyone, but F*K quadcore in iMac. Core 2s and 4GB RAM with 7200rpm drives as it is can drive quite some intense apps.
Heck, keep everything the same, but GIVE ME A Nvidia 9600GT IN THE ENTRY LEVEL IMAC !!! And I shall be mighty pleased.
Wow, by the time they actually 'release' the iPhone in China will anyone there (who wants one) not have it yet? The volume of black market iPhones headed into China through Hong Kong was absurd two years ago and must have continued... I just figured they were as cheap as dirt over there by now.
Correct, so many people here already have the iphone, and the mass amounts of grey market imports have led to very competive pricing. Look no further than Taobao to see that 3G iphones are about $580 at the moment, which is just above the average smart phone cost over here. 2G iphones are much cheaper (and IMO far more practical considering the 3G is useless).
It will be interesting to see what Apple will do. I really hope they DON'T support the soon to be failed TDSCDMA standard and opt for real 3G that will be going on China Unicom in the not too distant future. Selling a nerfed wifi-less 3g-less device will also be a big fail, unless it's for a steep discount over the grey market devices.
I've seen the desktop i7 at an Intel demo recently, and as exciting as it is, no offense to anyone, but F*K quadcore in iMac. Core 2s and 4GB RAM with 7200rpm drives as it is can drive quite some intense apps.
Heck, keep everything the same, but GIVE ME A Nvidia 9600GT IN THE ENTRY LEVEL IMAC !!! And I shall be mighty pleased.
Now you said it I'm waiting for the iMac refresh to finally go Mac (I'm still trapped in Windows ), and to be honest, I'm not that interested e processor power...I'd rather have better graphics cards and the option to put more ram being a a bit cheaper
Especially when Apple continually fails to bump processor speeds in line with the organic changes in Intel's processor output. As it sits, I'm constantly analyzing mean-time-between-refresh to ensure that I get *this years* fastest Mac. Instead, if Apple speed bumped on the fly, I could purchase with the knowledge that I'm getting, at worst, this *quarter's* fastest Mac.
If Apple updated on a reasonable schedule, we'd have to read even more posts by morons handwringing about their brand new Mac being "obsolete."
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iMac - No Quadcore - No Sale.
That's a reasonable possibility, but only if Apple ditches mobile processors and uses the low-power Core 2 Quads Intel is introducing in January. Core i7 is not likely, it's too hot and too expensive, and the few mobile quads available are too slow and too expensive.
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Don't agree. the "netbook" is taking off as a significant new market niche, a 'laptop lite.' it's not for everyone, but certainly will sell in the many millions thanks to its convenient portability in our new age of ubiquitous wifi and online services/media. Apple would be stupid to forfeit this new market segment by ignoring it. those are just sales and profits it won't ever get, and brand loyalty it will lose. the Air is no answer, it costs way too much.
Hell I don't really "need" a computer but it's nice to have. Conroe vs Merom wasn't a big issue but Core I7 is going to be more of an issue because the mobile quad core parts aren't due for a while and they will not be cheap.
This poses an interesting dilemma for (pre-Unibody) MacBook users:
Is there a mini-DisplayPort to mini-DVI adapter available?
I see your point. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Either way Core I7 is the way to go. I read the blog from an engineer at Cineform and he basically stated that he knew that Nehalem was going to give a nice boost but even he was shocked about how fast that eventual boost was.
I'm not denying that netbooks are useful for some segment of people. I'm saying that their isn't much money in them for the computer maker.
well, if Apple is making a good profit now on the 3.5" Touch, a 7" version should be a good money maker too. essentially the same parts and software inside. bigger case, bigger screen, bigger battery. hopefully "n" wifi. so maybe $50 more to manufacture. at a price at least $100 more to buy. should work.
*as in India, not native American
But the most important question is, "will it love you long time?"
That's a Vietnam reference, not a China reference.
iMac - No Quadcore - No Sale.
is that unrealistic? pfft I don't care.
I've seen the desktop i7 at an Intel demo recently, and as exciting as it is, no offense to anyone, but F*K quadcore in iMac. Core 2s and 4GB RAM with 7200rpm drives as it is can drive quite some intense apps.
Heck, keep everything the same, but GIVE ME A Nvidia 9600GT IN THE ENTRY LEVEL IMAC !!! And I shall be mighty pleased.
But the most important question is, "will it love you long time?"
God you're an idiot. Not only is that not funny, it's insulting, and furthermore the reference is completely wrong!
Wow, by the time they actually 'release' the iPhone in China will anyone there (who wants one) not have it yet? The volume of black market iPhones headed into China through Hong Kong was absurd two years ago and must have continued... I just figured they were as cheap as dirt over there by now.
Correct, so many people here already have the iphone, and the mass amounts of grey market imports have led to very competive pricing. Look no further than Taobao to see that 3G iphones are about $580 at the moment, which is just above the average smart phone cost over here. 2G iphones are much cheaper (and IMO far more practical considering the 3G is useless).
It will be interesting to see what Apple will do. I really hope they DON'T support the soon to be failed TDSCDMA standard and opt for real 3G that will be going on China Unicom in the not too distant future. Selling a nerfed wifi-less 3g-less device will also be a big fail, unless it's for a steep discount over the grey market devices.
I've seen the desktop i7 at an Intel demo recently, and as exciting as it is, no offense to anyone, but F*K quadcore in iMac. Core 2s and 4GB RAM with 7200rpm drives as it is can drive quite some intense apps.
Heck, keep everything the same, but GIVE ME A Nvidia 9600GT IN THE ENTRY LEVEL IMAC !!! And I shall be mighty pleased.
Now you said it
Especially when Apple continually fails to bump processor speeds in line with the organic changes in Intel's processor output. As it sits, I'm constantly analyzing mean-time-between-refresh to ensure that I get *this years* fastest Mac. Instead, if Apple speed bumped on the fly, I could purchase with the knowledge that I'm getting, at worst, this *quarter's* fastest Mac.
If Apple updated on a reasonable schedule, we'd have to read even more posts by morons handwringing about their brand new Mac being "obsolete."
iMac - No Quadcore - No Sale.
That's a reasonable possibility, but only if Apple ditches mobile processors and uses the low-power Core 2 Quads Intel is introducing in January. Core i7 is not likely, it's too hot and too expensive, and the few mobile quads available are too slow and too expensive.
God you're an idiot. Not only is that not funny, it's insulting, and furthermore the reference is completely wrong!
Really? I guess you've never been to a massage parlor - a Chinese one.
Now, go look up how to have a good laugh.