My iBook 500 took over a minute to shut down today (the first time I've bothered to count). This is Definitely much longer than 10.1, and ridiculously longer than 9. Also, the thing won't go to sleep on it's own, no matter how I set the Energy Saver - I have to shut the lid or use the Apple menu command.
I sometimes get extremely long shutdown times, and sometimes really fast. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it. Normally when I shut down is when I'm moving my laptop from place to place when I won't be using it in the meantime and I don't want to drain the battery. I also switch between OS X and OS 9 quite often. I will sometimes set the startup disk to the other system and then shut the computer down, so that if I start up the computer again (or if anyone else starts it up), a login is required. Sometimes I'm in a hurry and I don't want to have to wait for the login screen to come up and then have it sleep, so I just change the startup disk and shut it down.
Anyway, it is annoying. Personally, I don't see how Jaguar is worth $130 or even $50 to upgrade from 10.1. It's a minor upgrade at best, a lot like 9.0 to 9.2. Helpful, but not a big deal. Still worth $130 if you don't already own OS X, but not if you have already spent that much for it.
Of course, if I wanted to, I could shut down and restart into OS9 every time I wanted to type a text document with SimpleText. Sure, it may just be a waste of my own time, but there's nothing stopping me from doing it. I suppose it could make better sense to use OSX's TextEdit, but I'm stuck in my ways about it.
Why does shutdown in 10.2 take longer than in 10.1; and why does it take even longer sometimes?
Part of the answer has to do with the Unix layer; which has been significantly changed in Jaguar. Some of the stuff that used to be done at startup is now done during shutdown (startup quicker, shutdown slower - an okay tradeoff). Also, the whole nature of pre-binding has changed; requiring a bit of time during shutdown. The system pre-binds all newly-installed software the next time the system is shutdown; resulting in the varying shutdown times (for those of us who install and delete programs all the time).
A special note... For those who used to run pre-binding apps (such as XOptimize), or did it through the command line, this process is no longer necessary. The next time your system is shutdown, all the necessary Unix goodness happens automatically; ending the need to do it manually.
For these reasons (along with others), I think it might be a good thing to shut down your computer every few months.
Thank-you for a "real" answer", DWS. I suspected such a change to the OS in Jaguar, but I had no confirmation. What are your sources, if any, for this information? I could find nothing on it at all so far...
<strong>Why does shutdown in 10.2 take longer than in 10.1; and why does it take even longer sometimes?
Part of the answer has to do with the Unix layer; which has been significantly changed in Jaguar. Some of the stuff that used to be done at startup is now done during shutdown (startup quicker, shutdown slower - an okay tradeoff). Also, the whole nature of pre-binding has changed; requiring a bit of time during shutdown. The system pre-binds all newly-installed software the next time the system is shutdown; resulting in the varying shutdown times (for those of us who install and delete programs all the time).
dws</strong><hr></blockquote>
While the above may or may not be true, I do not believe that it completely explains the slow shutdown behavior. First off, because not everyone experiences it, and secondly slow shutdowns began with system 10.1.5 for some people (myself included).
This has lead me to believe that slow shutdowns are the result of some sort of error condition. Also, for me anyway the slowness occurs on every shutdown, and doesn't entirely involve disk activity. Actually, here is a synopsis of my shutdown activity: Invoke shutdown, after about 15 seconds the hard drive spins down, after about 30 more seconds of the computer seemingly doing absolutly nothing, it turns off.
dws, thanks for that: I did in fact shut mine down the other day and it seemed to take a while. However, that's only the second time I've shut it down since loading Jaguar, and I'd installed a whole lotta apps in the meantime.
I had mine up for about 8 days, slept about a dozen times, about 3 total failures to wake (though I suspect it may have done if I'd left it alone instead of getting bored and playing), but absolutely no kernel panics (somehow I have yet to see one, which must just be dumb luck on my part). I haven't had a wake-from-sleep failure in about 5 days now.
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Anyway, it is annoying. Personally, I don't see how Jaguar is worth $130 or even $50 to upgrade from 10.1. It's a minor upgrade at best, a lot like 9.0 to 9.2. Helpful, but not a big deal. Still worth $130 if you don't already own OS X, but not if you have already spent that much for it.
<strong>True, but Steve doesn't want you to. And we must do what Steve wants.
Oops. I forgot The Steve was watching. Thanks. Whew. That was close. Who knows what the consequences might have been.
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*ahem* Analogy here. Get it?
Part of the answer has to do with the Unix layer; which has been significantly changed in Jaguar. Some of the stuff that used to be done at startup is now done during shutdown (startup quicker, shutdown slower - an okay tradeoff). Also, the whole nature of pre-binding has changed; requiring a bit of time during shutdown. The system pre-binds all newly-installed software the next time the system is shutdown; resulting in the varying shutdown times (for those of us who install and delete programs all the time).
A special note... For those who used to run pre-binding apps (such as XOptimize), or did it through the command line, this process is no longer necessary. The next time your system is shutdown, all the necessary Unix goodness happens automatically; ending the need to do it manually.
For these reasons (along with others), I think it might be a good thing to shut down your computer every few months.
dws
<strong>Why does shutdown in 10.2 take longer than in 10.1; and why does it take even longer sometimes?
Part of the answer has to do with the Unix layer; which has been significantly changed in Jaguar. Some of the stuff that used to be done at startup is now done during shutdown (startup quicker, shutdown slower - an okay tradeoff). Also, the whole nature of pre-binding has changed; requiring a bit of time during shutdown. The system pre-binds all newly-installed software the next time the system is shutdown; resulting in the varying shutdown times (for those of us who install and delete programs all the time).
dws</strong><hr></blockquote>
While the above may or may not be true, I do not believe that it completely explains the slow shutdown behavior. First off, because not everyone experiences it, and secondly slow shutdowns began with system 10.1.5 for some people (myself included).
This has lead me to believe that slow shutdowns are the result of some sort of error condition. Also, for me anyway the slowness occurs on every shutdown, and doesn't entirely involve disk activity. Actually, here is a synopsis of my shutdown activity: Invoke shutdown, after about 15 seconds the hard drive spins down, after about 30 more seconds of the computer seemingly doing absolutly nothing, it turns off.
Oh well. It was worth a try anyway.