Quanta to manufacture Apple netbooks in 2009 - report

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  • Reply 61 of 98
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    Hey, Wizard69/Dave, do try to learn something.



    Forbes



    Wikipedia



    Walt Mossberg at the Wall Street Journal



    PC Magazine



    Plenty more if you're willing to Google and learn. What you personally consider a netbook doesn't matter. You're not an emperor or a king. Everybody else calls small, light, cheap laptops netbooks. If I were you, I'd stop posting foolishness like "They're not netbooks, they're small laptops!" Your posts (and replies quoting your posts, which you can't edit) will be archived at AI for years to come for all to see.
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  • Reply 62 of 98
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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    It is sad you think that way. I've used various notebooks at both work and home, so I know where I'm coming from.



    Right now I'm laying flat on back watching Leno & Conan typing this reply. This wouldn't be happening with a laptop.



    Why not stop the whining right now. I wear size 15 shoes and get by fine. If I was sitting at a desk I wouldn't be Touch typing at a netbook either.



    I'd be the first to admit that it is slower than be properly stationed at a keyboard. Away from a desk though the keyboards is an excellent solution.



    You can pretty much say the same thing about netbooks. By the way 10" is very large to be called a netbook.



    Err not to take the train off the tracks here but the manufactures decided to stop ripping people off. Netbooks or more accurately smaller note books where available in Japan for a couple of years before they where available here at reasonable prices. The only reason prices came down was because EEEPC came out.



    Scared? Maybe it is more a case of trend following. I don't think Apple needs to follow trends, especially bad trends. Especially when there is no real innovation in a Netbook. Apple could do much more for the industry by coming up with a more mobile tablet that leverages new technology like Touch. These would shift focus to heavily to a constantly connected world.



    That is OK because at times I'm not sure we are on the same page in this discusion. You seem to be focused on small notebooks which I see as larger and more capable than Netbooks. I'm not looking for Borg like connectvity either but I certainly don't want to carry around a 10" device either.





    Dave





    rarely have I seen such effort put into typing something so wrong.





    rubbish...just rubbish.
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  • Reply 63 of 98
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post


    rarely have I seen such effort put into typing something so wrong.





    rubbish...just rubbish.



    All I'm saying here is that what many of you are calling netbooks are not what the original concepts and some of the original products where. If anything they where machines with half sized keyboards and small screens, not machines with 10" screens and full sized keyboards. The fact that late this year a few manufactures decided to trade off the concept of a netbook to push small note books really means nothing. Well other then that the consumer can be easily swayed.



    It is either an issue of short memories or not paying attention to the market.



    Dave
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  • Reply 64 of 98
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    All I'm saying here is that what many of you are calling netbooks are not what the original concepts and some of the original products where. If anything they where machines with half sized keyboards and small screens, not machines with 10" screens and full sized keyboards. The fact that late this year a few manufactures decided to trade off the concept of a netbook to push small note books really means nothing. Well other then that the consumer can be easily swayed.



    It is either an issue of short memories or not paying attention to the market.



    Dave



    But you are wrong!



    This article is about netbooks and means the 9" notebooks with near full size keyboards.



    We are talking about the same definition of netbook.



    The world has the same definition of netbook.



    It matters not one bit if a previous product was described as a netbook. You might as well say that a skateboard is better than a Ferrari California because cars used to be rubbish and had to be hand cranked to get started. A car from the 20's is a different thing to a car from 2009 and yet they both share the same name. This is no different.



    You are the only person on the planet who does not know what a netbook is and you are still stuck blindly insisting that an iphone is better because you can lie on your back while watching two TV shows at the same time while telling us how wonderful it is.
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  • Reply 65 of 98
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wanchaiman View Post


    Totally agree!



    A Mac convert of many years, I got myself an HP Mini 1000 for Xmas (which has the stylish looks of a Black MacBook). Its small, weighs 2lbs, convenient and works like a dream.



    Oh -- and the keyboard is to die for. I really don't want to lug a 13" monster around my neck (or even a 12" powerbook).



    Even XP is quite stable and bug free after all these years and I send less error reports to MS than I do to Apple.................



    I think there are quite a few "converts" like me who Apple could have retained in this segment as their customers if they had not got their eyes blinkered.



    Reading this tread, I was wondering - so what is that horribly wrong with XP or Linux on a netbook..? As long as it is stable and reasonably fast (considering hardware underneath)... you boot your netbook, you run your application. You don't spend whole day wondering around OS features and menus, you just use it to run application you need.



    Do you people really need all the fancy features OSX might have (I don't have it so I don't really know) on a puny netbook, or is it more of a fashion statement - I don't want to run it because it is not signed by Steve Jobs?



    I'd really be happy to receive some reasonable replies. As I said, it's a netbook. You don't use it to organize your whole digital life (and work). You use it to browse web, email, type a document, browse photos (maybe dump them from camera on the go as well)... things like that. Once system is running, your whole experience with OS will boil down to a few clicks before you are in application you want to use.



    So, again - does it really matter what OS runs on netbook - for a casual use most of us would use netbook for..?



    Thanks in advance
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  • Reply 66 of 98
    irelandireland Posts: 17,801member
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    Originally Posted by melika4 View Post


    lol good stuff



    What's good stuff spammer?
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  • Reply 67 of 98
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    So, again - does it really matter what OS runs on netbook - for a casual use most of us would use netbook for..?



    No, not really. My Samsung netbook is my first ever Windows computer, having used many Macs for 20 years. I have only used Windows a little bit over the years trying to help friends troubleshoot, or when no Mac was available. I am surprised how much Windows XP doesn't suck, now that I'm used to it.



    That said, the familiarity of Mac OS and its more appealing interface would have me buying a Mac netbook if one was offered. Unfortunately, I don't think Apple will ever make a tiny portable with a real keyboard for less than $999. So I might upgrade to Windows 7 when it's available, hoping for an improved interface, and be happy with my Samsung for several years.



    Like you said, after you're in the application, the underlying OS makes little difference.
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  • Reply 68 of 98
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iDave View Post


    No, not really. My Samsung netbook is my first ever Windows computer, having used many Macs for 20 years. I have only used Windows a little bit over the years trying to help friends troubleshoot, or when no Mac was available. I am surprised how much Windows XP doesn't suck, now that I'm used to it.



    That said, the familiarity of Mac OS and its more appealing interface would have me buying a Mac netbook if one was offered. Unfortunately, I don't think Apple will ever make a tiny portable with a real keyboard for less than $999. So I might upgrade to Windows 7 when it's available, hoping for an improved interface, and be happy with my Samsung for several years.



    Like you said, after you're in the application, the underlying OS makes little difference.



    Thanks mate.



    Now that does make perfect sense to me. I mean, I'd like to have small and affordable 4-door hatch made by Ferrari, but if there isn't one, I'll settle for, say, Mazda 2 or Toyota Yaris, if I really need such car. Sure they don't drive like Ferrari would, but if there isn't any, one can only settle for the best one can get.



    Say, I was not even aware there is Samsung netbook. Did you have chance to compare it's keyboard and screen with competition, and how do you feel about them? Keyboard particularly looks nice on photos.
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  • Reply 69 of 98
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Say, I was not even aware there is Samsung netbook. Did you have chance to compare it's keyboard and screen with competition, and how do you feel about them? Keyboard particularly looks nice on photos.



    I live in a rural area so was unable to try out more than a few netbooks before buying. When I did, the choices were mainly of the smaller 7" and 9" models. My immediate reaction was the keyboards and screens are too small. The Samsung NC10 was introduced in Europe and Asia before coming to the USA (where I live). The reviews said the keyboard is the best available in an inexpensive 10" or smaller portable. That and the matte display were the most important factors in my decision to order it. I'm very pleased after about eight weeks of ownership.
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  • Reply 70 of 98
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post


    rarely have I seen such effort put into typing something so wrong.



    rubbish...just rubbish.



    You'll have to cut him some slack. He typed it on an iPhone... oh, you're not referring to the spelling and terrible editing?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Murphster View Post


    It matters not one bit if a previous product was described as a netbook. You might as well say that a skateboard is better than a Ferrari California because cars used to be rubbish and had to be hand cranked to get started. A car from the 20's is a different thing to a car from 2009 and yet they both share the same name. This is no different.



    Better yet, ask someone with a mindset stuck in the 1960s what a computer is. Ah, they'll say, it's one of those big things in several cabinets that takes up a whole room, with punchcards, 9-track tape drives and teletype terminals and maybe a monochrome, text-only video terminal if you're lucky. Yet for some reason, Dave won't quibble that a three-pound Macbook Air is in fact a computer.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    So, again - does it really matter what OS runs on netbook - for a casual use most of us would use netbook for..?



    My Wind has a 120GB hard drive, and other models have 160GB. Why would someone need that much space if they're just going to surf the web, type a couple of documents, email and other light tasks? A computer is what you make of it. I don't carry my full arsenal of software tools and files with me on the go, but I definitely do more than the average person does even on his or her home PC. And there's where the choice of OS comes in. Being able to use the exact same apps I have at home means there's very little adaptation necessary. I have to use fewer palettes in some apps, but otherwise I can do whatever I do at home. I don't have to repurchase the same apps for XP and learn the differences. I get enough of that having to use XP, 2000 and Vista at work.



    And actually, some people have not only installed OS X on their Winds, they've created dual-boot and even triple-boot systems with XP and Linux. Others have loaded Parallels and reinstalled XP to run as a virtual machine, which I may do. The name of the game is options.
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  • Reply 71 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    So called Netbooks aren't new, they have been aroud for awhile, the only reason why they are getting hype now is because you can pick up one for three hundrend bucks. If they werent so cheap I doubt anybody would give a damn since it's inferior to a regular laptop except if you want a small screen, small keyboard, and a weak azz processor.
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  • Reply 72 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maxijazz View Post


    The only popularity point is price, that's it, no more.

    There were/are many models available since years.

    Sony, Asus, Fujitsu and others provided 11", 12" laps ever since.

    Weight, size, battery time and others comparable to netbooks, only price over $1500, often $3000.



    I agree to Adjei

    http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...2&postcount=16



    Well said.
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  • Reply 73 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iDave View Post


    Does that mean I shouldn't want one now that it's a third to a sixth what it cost before?



    Does it mean they're of little use because they're cheaper than before?



    I don't understand the point.



    No one is telling you, you shouldn't want one just that they bring nothing new to the table except price, so called netbooks have been around for years, except that previously they cost 2000 dollars and now you can have one for 300 bucks, they bring nothing new in terms of technological advancement, just price. There's no reason for all this hype, I'm sick of all this netbook talk and every company out there has to be making one or they are clueless, they bring nothing to the rtable that hasn't been here for years, they only real advantage they have is price and thats because manufacturers are cutting corners so that they can sell them for 300 bucks.
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  • Reply 74 of 98
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
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  • Reply 75 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Murphster View Post


    But a bar of soap is even cheaper, so why is everyone not just buying a bar of soap instead?





    Nobody buys anything just because of price, what you mean is that the netbooks are priced at a point that makes them a must have item for many people. But they still need to give people what they want from a mobile computer otherwise they will just buy a 16GB iPod touch which is cheaper.



    Of course people are buying netbooks based on their price because they bring nothing to the table technogically that hasn't existed for years, if people weren't concerned about price they would be buying a Sony TT which is superior to every so called netbook out there, the only problem is that it cost over 2000 dollars.
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  • Reply 76 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maxijazz View Post


    "Frankly I'm sick of all this netbook talk, what is so special about them besides being cheap?"

    "Small and light."



    There is nothing special in netbooks. We got everything years ago, everything besides being cheap.



    LOL, couldn't have put it any better.
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  • Reply 77 of 98
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    There's no reason for all this hype, I'm sick of all this netbook talk...<snip>



    I think perhaps you're reading the wrong forum if you're sick of hearing about netbooks.



    The reason for all the hype is that people CAN now get them for affordable prices, when before they just wanted what they couldn't afford. I've often thought how nice it would be to have one of Sony's tiny notebook computers, but I couldn't afford one.



    You say that manufacturers are cutting corners to make netbooks affordable. Well, they are to a certain extent. It's a competitive market. However, there are now cheaper components available and advances in technology have made cheaper parts better and faster than before. I have no problem with the performance or quality of my netbook. I'm not editing video on it or anything which requires a powerful machine. Today's Atom netbooks are as fast as some of the very best portable computers of just a couple of years ago.



    Just because something is getting less expensive, doesn't mean it's no good.
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  • Reply 78 of 98
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iDave View Post


    I think perhaps you're reading the wrong forum if you're sick of hearing about netbooks.



    The reason for all the hype is that people CAN now get them for affordable prices, when before they just wanted what they couldn't afford. I've often thought how nice it would be to have one of Sony's tiny notebook computers, but I couldn't afford one.



    You say that manufacturers are cutting corners to make netbooks affordable. Well, they are to a certain extent. It's a competitive market. However, there are now cheaper components available and advances in technology have made cheaper parts better and faster than before. I have no problem with the performance or quality of my netbook. I'm not editing video on it or anything which requires a powerful machine. Today's Atom netbooks are as fast as some of the very best portable computers of just a couple of years ago.



    Just because something is getting less expensive, doesn't mean it's no good.



    I like reading about technolgoy especially concerning Apple. My main point is there is nothing special about all these so called netbooks, they have been around for awhile, its just now there are lower prices. I don't feel netbooks are helping to advance computer technology in terms of performance, usability, etc. Heck they can't even run the latest version of Windows which is why they have to get stuck with a 7 year old OS. So much for technological advancement, instead netbooks are stagnating techology and not helping move technology forward.



    Look at the pricing for netbooks, they are now at 300, heard there is one coming out for 200, next people will want some for 100, then what's next 50 dollars?



    These companies will cut corners to get to those prices and then there won't really be any incentive for them to really keep improving technology if we are willing to settle for less. I don't really have any problem with people getting computers for cheap, just that there's nothing new about these netbooks, they aren't helping to move technology forward so I don't understand all this hype and talk of every company has to build one from these so called analysts and the technology community. They deserve kudos for helping to lower prices, nothing more, nothing less, they don't bring any other improvements technologically.
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  • Reply 79 of 98
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    I like reading about technolgoy especially concerning Apple. My main point is there is nothing special about all these so called netbooks, they have been around for awhile, its just now there are lower prices.



    Me too. I get your point. You've made it a few times.



    Quote:

    Heck they can't even run the latest version of Windows which is why they have to get stuck with a 7 year old OS.



    That's Microsoft's fault for making such a bloated OS as Vista.



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    So much for technological advancement, instead netbooks are stagnating techology and not helping move technology forward.



    I disagree. Most netbooks run much cooler than any other laptops within the last five years. That's a big improvement in my mind. You can actually use one on your lap for hours without discomfort. But anyway, there comes a time when computers are simply good enough. If you don't need to do any heavy lifting, a netbook is a good machine. And they'll only get better. I don't think you need to worry about netbooks stalling the advancement of technology.
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  • Reply 80 of 98
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    These companies will cut corners to get to those prices and then there won't really be any incentive for them to really keep improving technology if we are willing to settle for less. I don't really have any problem with people getting computers for cheap, just that there's nothing new about these netbooks, they aren't helping to move technology forward so I don't understand all this hype and talk of every company has to build one from these so called analysts and the technology community. They deserve kudos for helping to lower prices, nothing more, nothing less, they don't bring any other improvements technologically.



    Can you please explain then what new advances in technology the latest MacBook's have brought to the table? MacBook's are just notebooks, nothing that has not already been around for years. They use the same components as windows machines, they have a screen, they have a keyboard. The only difference is that they are more expensive.
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