I have been using a 60GB HDD as my main Hard Drive for 3 - 4 years. And i see no capacity problem.
As are Data grows it become much more important to backup to external Raid 1 or Multiple HDD.
So let say 60GB SSD is enough for main stream. 10GB for OS and 20GB for App. You do have 30Gb left for your frequent access files.
I have 35GB of music in iTunes for a start I have a 250GB drive on this machine with between 30-40GB free I'll be skipping a 320GB upgrade and going straight to 500, although if .. IF I can hold out long enough.. who knows.
Maybe in a laptop, but even then, A friend has an iBook and they have been hovering round 5-2GB free space for about a year, a new MacBook is coming, they can't wait to "breath" again.
Recent advancements in reliability, performance and energy efficiency of SSD technology will drive adoption in 2009. The market trend for declining flash prices, side by side with technological advancements; indicate that SSD capacities even higher than 16GB are expected to cost less than HDDs.
For more information to help you with your decision, SanDisk has created a website called the SSD Academy that offers consumers information on the SSD market as well as general flash usage. www.sandisk.com/ssd.
Re density, over the course of CES reporting, I read at least two companies stating that 2TB was on the horizon (can't remember the time scale) but HDDs haven't quite got to 2TB yet, and ow small a particle can you charge on a plater? if anything is running out of steam/space its HDDs
NICE. I thought Seagate was going to hit first. Wester Dig has but putting the pressure on. Now I only need to wait for Drobo 3rd generation (my speculation).
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I'll report back on this when mine arrives.
Please do.
The Sandisk G3 look good. $249 for a 120GB SSD is right up my alley ...I'm doing ok with my 80GB internal and 500GB FW external.
NICE. I thought Seagate was going to hit first. Wester Dig has but putting the pressure on. Now I only need to wait for Drobo 3rd generation (my speculation).
DO NOT PUT SEAGATES IN A DROBO. apparently they are nothing but trouble! at least the 1.5TB seagate has lost people a LOT of data, Drobo says there is a patch, but its an arse to do, so just steer clear is the best advice I'll be watching the forums to see if the 2TB WD works, then I'm gonna have to pony up for one (at least to start with)
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The Sandisk G3 look good. $249 for a 120GB SSD is right up my alley ...I'm doing ok with my 80GB internal and 500GB FW external.
isnt that G4 mini doing your head in?
how is a 120GB SSD gonna help it along? (seriously) wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy the "new mini" if it ever gets pushed out Apples door.
I hope I didn't mislead you here, on UNIX systems you have to be very careful about Solid State Storage because of that write for every read problem. This is dependent on the file system and its configuration. On Linux one thing you have to do is to configure the file system to not support access times, the so called not atime parameter in the FSTAB. There may be other things to consider too, such as logging.
The problem is I'm not sure where MacOS sits in this respect. The point is SSD can be used reliably on UNIX systems if care is taken to make sure the file system doesn't prematurely wear out the drive.
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how many of those micro mini flash cards (little more than a square CM total) at 16/32GB could you get in a 3.5" case (or 2.5" for that matter?)
How many of those cards are highly reliable flash chips?
But you mis the point, there is concern in the industry about the feasibility of going to a smaller process node. The thing is the economics may become a problem, especially if alternative technologies pan out.
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answer .. LOTS
but I get your point.
some initial probs, never lost any data, but that first week or so was a PAIN! narrowed it down to a faulty drive (a "free" 250GB I had spare, it was busted)
Yeah I know what those sorts of problems are. Spent a couple of years with a flaky mother board and a SATA controller/port.
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but the Drobo sits via firewire to a mini, with LOTS of films and episodes for my iTunes Library, not a complaint of peep out of it, there have been issues with some 1.5TBs drives, although it seems to be fixed, but you may want to avoid the 1.5TBs till the problems ones are flushed out of the suppply chain.
Actually what I would love to see is a portable DROBO, something that can run off the Firewire port. I know that is not likely but considering I pick up my ITunes form public access points it would be a huge advantage. Most likely that would mean SSD, but for media storage I think SSD are a good choice.
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1TB WD Greens in mine.
I hope they sell enough to make a go of it (long term, damned recession), its a great little product and I can't see being without one, the fact that the storage can grow EASILY with you is just so "Apple like" at I wouldn't be surprised if Apple snapped them up.
Yeah I know what you mean, the recession is what has kept me form just running out and buying one with plastic.
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IF it fits your needs, then yeah go for it
Well one for backup wouldn't be bad right now. That however would not cure my portable needs. Actually my portable needs would be cured with a 1TB or so internal MBP drive.
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yes and no. Ideally both flavours, at least in transition.
Yeah something needs to be done to lower costs. Imagine a portable DROBO where each "Disk" is a plug in card the size of 2.5" drive but no more than 1/4" thick. Three of them and a controller card would make a stack about an inch thick and still offer up all the benefits of a advance RAID system.
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mmm, the ZFS "pool of storage" I keep wondering how Cook/Jobs are gonna "Appleize" that, what it means for TM and how they will "one last thing" it.
and how they would tie that "pool" into "the cloud" cos you just KNOW Steve would think that was "waay cool" when selling it to a packed house
these last two points are what I ment with the nascent quote its pretty NEW that we are considering flash as a HDD replacement, and it just seems that no matter how fast SSD advances in capacity and costs dropping, HDD is still one step (although usually two) ahead. its as NEARLY THERE as Jobs regards the netbook craze.
Yeah I realize Flash as a hard drive replacement is new, what I wonder about though is just how long it will remain a viable consideration.
What about durability from abuse? Laptops get moved around a lot, dropped, spilled on, etc. Have the motion/acceleration sensors installed to lock HDDs basically made them as durable as SSDs?
THIS has been one of my concerns about SSD, I see its not quite sorted out yet, maybe this is because its running windows, maybe not, the article isnt clear.
not ready for mainstream YET IMO. pity.
wonder what happened to Irelands SSD, did it arrive? did it fit? was it faster? slower? or like the baby bear, "just right" be nice to hear an update good fellow
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I have been using a 60GB HDD as my main Hard Drive for 3 - 4 years. And i see no capacity problem.
As are Data grows it become much more important to backup to external Raid 1 or Multiple HDD.
So let say 60GB SSD is enough for main stream. 10GB for OS and 20GB for App. You do have 30Gb left for your frequent access files.
I have 35GB of music in iTunes for a start I have a 250GB drive on this machine with between 30-40GB free I'll be skipping a 320GB upgrade and going straight to 500, although if .. IF I can hold out long enough.. who knows.
Maybe in a laptop, but even then, A friend has an iBook and they have been hovering round 5-2GB free space for about a year, a new MacBook is coming, they can't wait to "breath" again.
For more information to help you with your decision, SanDisk has created a website called the SSD Academy that offers consumers information on the SSD market as well as general flash usage. www.sandisk.com/ssd.
Re density, over the course of CES reporting, I read at least two companies stating that 2TB was on the horizon (can't remember the time scale) but HDDs haven't quite got to 2TB yet, and ow small a particle can you charge on a plater? if anything is running out of steam/space its HDDs
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NICE. I thought Seagate was going to hit first. Wester Dig has but putting the pressure on. Now I only need to wait for Drobo 3rd generation (my speculation).
I'll report back on this when mine arrives.
Please do.
The Sandisk G3 look good. $249 for a 120GB SSD is right up my alley ...I'm doing ok with my 80GB internal and 500GB FW external.
NICE. I thought Seagate was going to hit first. Wester Dig has but putting the pressure on. Now I only need to wait for Drobo 3rd generation (my speculation).
DO NOT PUT SEAGATES IN A DROBO. apparently they are nothing but trouble! at least the 1.5TB seagate has lost people a LOT of data, Drobo says there is a patch, but its an arse to do, so just steer clear is the best advice
The Sandisk G3 look good. $249 for a 120GB SSD is right up my alley ...I'm doing ok with my 80GB internal and 500GB FW external.
isnt that G4 mini doing your head in?
how is a 120GB SSD gonna help it along? (seriously) wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy the "new mini" if it ever gets pushed out Apples door.
I'll report back on this when mine arrives.
I hope you aren't disappointed, sadly I have a feeling you will be. a report would be cool
cheers
I hope I didn't mislead you here, on UNIX systems you have to be very careful about Solid State Storage because of that write for every read problem. This is dependent on the file system and its configuration. On Linux one thing you have to do is to configure the file system to not support access times, the so called not atime parameter in the FSTAB. There may be other things to consider too, such as logging.
The problem is I'm not sure where MacOS sits in this respect. The point is SSD can be used reliably on UNIX systems if care is taken to make sure the file system doesn't prematurely wear out the drive.
how many of those micro mini flash cards (little more than a square CM total) at 16/32GB could you get in a 3.5" case (or 2.5" for that matter?)
How many of those cards are highly reliable flash chips?
But you mis the point, there is concern in the industry about the feasibility of going to a smaller process node. The thing is the economics may become a problem, especially if alternative technologies pan out.
answer .. LOTS
but I get your point.
some initial probs, never lost any data, but that first week or so was a PAIN! narrowed it down to a faulty drive (a "free" 250GB I had spare, it was busted)
Yeah I know what those sorts of problems are. Spent a couple of years with a flaky mother board and a SATA controller/port.
but the Drobo sits via firewire to a mini, with LOTS of films and episodes for my iTunes Library, not a complaint of peep out of it, there have been issues with some 1.5TBs drives, although it seems to be fixed, but you may want to avoid the 1.5TBs till the problems ones are flushed out of the suppply chain.
Actually what I would love to see is a portable DROBO, something that can run off the Firewire port. I know that is not likely but considering I pick up my ITunes form public access points it would be a huge advantage. Most likely that would mean SSD, but for media storage I think SSD are a good choice.
1TB WD Greens in mine.
I hope they sell enough to make a go of it (long term, damned recession), its a great little product and I can't see being without one, the fact that the storage can grow EASILY with you is just so "Apple like" at I wouldn't be surprised if Apple snapped them up.
Yeah I know what you mean, the recession is what has kept me form just running out and buying one with plastic.
IF it fits your needs, then yeah go for it
Well one for backup wouldn't be bad right now. That however would not cure my portable needs. Actually my portable needs would be cured with a 1TB or so internal MBP drive.
yes and no. Ideally both flavours, at least in transition.
Yeah something needs to be done to lower costs. Imagine a portable DROBO where each "Disk" is a plug in card the size of 2.5" drive but no more than 1/4" thick. Three of them and a controller card would make a stack about an inch thick and still offer up all the benefits of a advance RAID system.
mmm, the ZFS "pool of storage" I keep wondering how Cook/Jobs are gonna "Appleize" that, what it means for TM and how they will "one last thing" it.
and how they would tie that "pool" into "the cloud" cos you just KNOW Steve would think that was "waay cool" when selling it to a packed house
these last two points are what I ment with the nascent quote
Yeah I realize Flash as a hard drive replacement is new, what I wonder about though is just how long it will remain a viable consideration.
Dave
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/o...d-recommended/
They have higher capacity and a lower price than Intel's even if they don't quite match the performance yet.
The price should be around £265 for 120GB, which considering it's still only January, my threshold of 120GB under £200 is getting close.
not ready for mainstream YET IMO. pity.
wonder what happened to Irelands SSD, did it arrive? did it fit? was it faster? slower? or like the baby bear, "just right"
This is bad for the consumer because the cost of flash had been coming down rapidly. What this means is that the manufacture seems to be overextended.
Dave