Ballmer sees Mac as a main competitor, iPhone as just buzz

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  • Reply 41 of 71
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    Originally Posted by fraklinc View Post


    Well Monkey boy is microsoft biggest shareholder so don't expect him to go anywhere anytime soon. I'll say microsoft has about 10 year of life left until everyone moves to cloud computing then this company is dead, the only thing keeping microsoft alive is PC manufactures charging People $100+ extra for a Windows license and not even given customers a option, i mean it's 2009 and you can't buy a PC without being charge for a Vista license even if your planning to use a copy of XP you might have home already. Microsoft monopoly affects windows users the most, why can't i just walk into a store and pick up any PC and just walk across and pick up any version of windows that i want.



    Everyone isn't moving to cloud computing. Portions of the computer experience will leverage cloud computing, but a minority portion.
  • Reply 42 of 71
    zunxzunx Posts: 620member
    "eyeing competition from Apple, Linux, and Google on the desktop while downplaying the market strength of the iPhone".



    TRANSLATION TO PLAIN ENGLISH:



    We are horrified of iPhone success, being a real danger for Microshit business. We do not mind the Mac so far, as history has demonstrated that we rule the desktop market.
  • Reply 43 of 71
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
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    Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post


    I'd say the Emperor has no clothes, but it's so hard to think of Balmer as Emperor of anything.



    It's even harder to think of him with no clothes.
  • Reply 44 of 71
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    Originally Posted by aplnub View Post


    Is Steve Ballmer a good manager or something and we just don't see it? I really question how this guy got to sit in the seat to drive MS.



    What are his qualifications and does the MS team on board with this guy?



    Well, apparently it helps if you were roomies with Bill Gates in college...
  • Reply 45 of 71
    Ray Ozzie will take over soon. He just needs a little more time at MS. Ballmer knows this.



    After reading the recent Wired article, I see him as more similar to Gates. Full of ideas and with a real passion for software.



    http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/...16-12/ff_ozzie



    Apple has a window of opportunity now.
  • Reply 46 of 71
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    Interesting how he doesn't see the iPhone as a competitor and does with Android. Android isn't in as many countries as the iPhone. Apple has just begun in the phone market and really hasn't shown the world it's next update which will be major.



    Part of his statement is a bit of smoke and mirrors, but he also has a point. Both MS and Google are trying to get other HW vendors to support their mOS, while Apple and RiM are only supporting their mOS on their HW.
  • Reply 47 of 71
    Didn't Steve Jobs say they were going to 'innovate there way through the recession via R&D'?



    So instead of saying 'were going to do what Apple are doing', he's using some 1950's phonograph company as an example? Hilarious...
  • Reply 48 of 71
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    Originally Posted by wobegon View Post


    The Gates Foundation does some good for sure. They deserve all the praise in the world for that. They also push Microsoft's software, whenever possible, onto third world countries and disaster areas like New Orleans and not usually for free.



    Exactly! I hope I am wrong and they mostly make sincere charitable efforts -- ie, identify real, efficient projects run by leaders in the field, anyone other than MS/Gates, and give them cold, hard cash.



    But I somehow doubt that they do give much cold, hard cash to others; I doubt that is how their "billions to charity" is calculated. If it is anything like the way they tried to pay off the EU fine against them, then they say:



    "Here, have 10 000 Windows licenses for schools. That's what, 300 dollars a crack, therefore we have paid off our fine to the tune of 3 000 000. Whoopee! [Aside:] Can't wait til the support and upgrade dough rolls in." Or, "let me put a few BAT's in some museums for you; and you can have one of my big picture frames where the picture changes when different people with special name tags walk into the room. You may not get it, but your children will thank me."



    Yeah, same for charity to those who need it in various countries: "oh, Mr. Mandela, you don't want to go with OpenSource, bad for business; who's going to support you? Here, let me "give" you 10 000 licenses for your schools to get you started in technology!" Hey world, we just gave $3 000 000 to under-privileged kids in South Africa so that they could have the latest technology and a real start in the world! They are really going to thank us when they grow up!" Lovely vision: a happy world running completely on Windows.



    I think Gates probably also undermined the whole (linux) laptop per child initiative in this sort of way.
  • Reply 49 of 71
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    Originally Posted by astrosmash View Post


    Crazy Ballmer talks crazy. Time to sell your MSFT stock.



    While it's true that micro has to support many numerous chipsets I still get blown away at how microsoft can have so much money yet can never seem to come out with a stellar product. On paper you would think the OS would be leaps and bounds above OSX, but they never come close. Very strange. Does everyone really think that so much red tape hinders them? They can't even market their brand that well. Again, on paper, they should have the $$$ to do, hire, create, develop, research and market anything yet over and over, it always seems lackluster.



    You have to wonder, if given a choice, what consumers would use asan OS if they had another option.



    One could also argue why their isn't another OS available to the consumer after all these years ala Sun , et-cetera.



    Peace
  • Reply 50 of 71
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    Originally Posted by 7600/132 View Post


    I love how Ballmer separates the "consumer market" from the "real market". At first I thought it was weird how he puts Android in the "real market", but then I realized how consistent it was for him to do that. Any competitor they can't beat isn't real, only those they can beat are real. See their explanation on how the XBox 360 doesn't really compete against the Wii.



    I guess in Ballmer's World, Windows still holds over 98% of the "real" desktop market.



    True but remember they have a lot of invisibles, everywhere especially in business, heck even Apple retail uses windows mobile for their EZ pay.



    OT: Another plan crash today in Amsterdam ( have visited, really beautiful), thank The Lord amazingly, all 134 passengers survived. AMAZING. Another miracle. WOW.
  • Reply 51 of 71
    hattighattig Posts: 860member
    Most Windows Mobile devices are made by HTC.



    HTC are now playing around with Android, with one device released so far.



    With Windows 6.5 at the end of the year and looking like a sorry joke of an operating system, HTC will surely make more Android phones instead of WinMo phones.



    I can't see Microsoft's share of the mobile market going anywhere but down. They had a minor advantage in 2002 - 2007 due to Palm failing to migrate to phones successfully with their old system. They failed to capitalise, BlackBerry came along with a device that corporates desired over WinMo, and the decline started.



    Now they have to compete against iPhone, Android, Symbian, Palm Pre, and generic Linux, each of which has a modern complete mobile device interface against WinMo's ancient desktop-metaphor interface and applications that look like they were written for Windows 95. Windows Mobile 7 needs to be a complete break-away and redevelopment for modern hardware and usage but that's a massive job and they can't lose backwards compatibility, so they basically have a noose. In addition all their competitors grabbed the patents for variants on modern mobile user interface interactivity.
  • Reply 52 of 71
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,677member
    Where would we be if we didn't have someone like Ballmer to make us laugh? I LOL every time he speaks.
  • Reply 53 of 71
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by AppleEater View Post


    Ballmer is a complete moron... His choice of RCA as a model for Microsoft to replicate today in the face of a debilitating recession is unheard of in modern business management. No wonder he dropped out from the Stanford University Graduate School of Business. They probably invited him to leave that institution.... This guy has more hot air than a Zeppelin balloon. I am sooo happy he is running Microsoft and not Apple, or the US government. Apple has nothing to fear from this giant melba toast masquerading as a leader of the free-world's so-called operating system of choice.



    Being a college dropout doesn't mean that much to me, I really don't expect that Ballmer would be any better at his current job if he had graduated. There are several people that dropped out of college and then went on to found billion dollar businesses. Steve Jobs is one of them. School is good and important, but there is a certain sense that education doesn't seem to succeed in teaching, assuming it's teachable at all.



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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    Does Ballmer even know that the entire online world laughs at him every tome he opens his mouth? Even the Windows centric forums and blogs are tired of his pontificating and stupidity.



    The guy is an embarrassment to the company.



    I wish the entire non-online world would laugh at him too, the "online world" doesn't seem to be as influential as they think they are.



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    Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post


    True but remember they have a lot of invisibles, everywhere especially in business, heck even Apple retail uses windows mobile for their EZ pay.



    I don't understand why they don't partner with a company to develop a similar system. When Apple only had a few stores and didn't have their own handheld computer platform, it was a justifiable excuse. Now Apple has hundreds of stores, maybe thousands of those Symbol devices and they have this platform that they could use to create and market a better device. It seems like they could really push their own platform, and get Symbol or someone else to make a nicer looking card stripe reader that almost seemlessly clips on to an iPod Touch.



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    OT: Another plan crash today in Amsterdam ( have visited, really beautiful), thank The Lord amazingly, all 134 passengers survived. AMAZING. Another miracle. WOW.



    Interesting. It's only going to reinforce this "air crashes in patterns of three" superstition.
  • Reply 54 of 71
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
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    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    If Ballmer isn't careful he'll be replaced. The Microsoft board of directors and stock holders won't stand a few more quarters of losses.



    Interesting how he doesn't see the iPhone as a competitor and does with Android. Android isn't in as many countries as the iPhone. Apple has just begun in the phone market and really hasn't shown the world it's next update which will be major.



    I hope you are wrong, I love that M$ is lead by a total idoiot
  • Reply 55 of 71
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
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    Originally Posted by d-range View Post


    Well, apparently it helps if you were roomies with Bill Gates in college...



    Think about it, a total moron gets to run M$ because he roomed with Gates ... mmmm ... Maybe he has pictures Gates doesn't want to be released ...
  • Reply 56 of 71
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    Interesting. It's only going to reinforce this "air crashes in patterns of three" superstition.



    The superstitious will simply start counting the fourth as the first of the next three ... and sadly there is always another one sooner or later.
  • Reply 57 of 71
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    The truth of the matter is all the consumer market mojo is with Apple and to a lesser extent BlackBerry," he said. "And yet, the real market momentum with operators and the real market momentum with device manufacturers seems to primarily be with Windows Mobile and Android



    I bet if you asked Ford or GM they'd rather have their eggs in the consumer market right now.
  • Reply 58 of 71
    I'm afraid the B&MG Foundation is not the act of selfless altruism as the (very successful) spin suggests, but is a tax avoidance mechanism designed for the extremely wealthy. The Foundation had (last year's figures) c$32.5 Bn, and as long as it spends $1.5 Bn p.a. pays no tax on the earnings of the rest. So one of the world's wealthiest men is effectively being 'taxed' on his investment earnings at a rate of just c.4.5%, with the added perk of deciding where and how he spends it. As others have pointed out, this spending has a, sometimes obvious, sometimes less so, ulterior motive that has nothing to do with genuine philanthropy.
  • Reply 59 of 71
    One word....





    RCA







    Couldnt have said it better myself, Steve.
  • Reply 60 of 71
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    The Redmond, Wash.-based company is targeting a January 2010 release for Windows 7, which will arrive with a heavy blitz of advertising spending to promote both the new operating system and Office 14.



    Office 14, wtf?
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