The Mac maker is said by CNET News to have kept quiet and let go of some Cupertino-based employees, as well as a whole sales division in Austin, by bringing the affected employees into meeting rooms last week and giving them the notices with security guards in tow.
Why were some of the employees "Cupertino-based", yet the Texans were not "Austin-based"? You guys are just messin' with us now, aren't you?
So you expect a company to be able to hire only people who won't be upset when they lose their job?
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his adopted parents' garage and his sister sorting chips, while Woz did all the tek work. ( Now, in truth, I smoked the same stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was nearly four decades ago.)
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his garage and his sister sorting chips.( Now, in truth, I smoked the stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was decades ago.)
First of all, if security is strapped I'm sure it's part of their uniform, not something that they added their person for the escort out of the building.
Second, escorting ex-employees out of a building and revoking their access is standard practice. It's too easy for ex-employees to get make poor decisions after being let go. Not that it would be a common thing, but it only takes one to make security a necessary precaution.
Lastly, we don't know about the situation and since it's only 50 employees and their job is being done by an outside firm (as opposed to letting a 1000 people go from all over the company so that all departments still function albeit with less people) points to a layoff that isn't the typical downsizing being seen elsewhere.
On top of that, we don't know what sort of severance pay they received. I once got was laid off from a company because that department was closing and the rest of the company wasn't hiring nor was fit for my skills. I received 6 months of severance plus $5000 bonus plus my unused holiday pay paid out in a nifty lump sum. I wasn't complaining!
Are you serious? The HR guys call the shots...they probably have everyone documented in Excel spreadsheets on their Dell PCs. I think their jobs are safer than anybodys. But you are right-Apple should keep the people it trains so extensively and find other ways to trim. How bout the legal department??
Yes, I am serious because if I was to work for Apple, which I'm not, and I had hired and trained 50 people and had to let them go for anything else than economic reasons... I would be next. In fact I would make that decision myself... before others tell me to go look for a new job - not only will that show others that you take your responsibilities seriously, but it will also look better on your Curriculum.
[QUOTE=solipsism;1387607]"First of all, if security is strapped I'm sure it's part of their uniform, not something that they added their person for the escort out of the building.
Second, escorting ex-employees out of a building and revoking their access is standard practice. It's too easy for ex-employees to get make poor decisions after being let go. Not that it would be a common thing, but it only takes one to make security a necessary precaution."
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America? Why not frisk every employee and set up a metal detector at the door? This has gotten completely out of control. Just you wait until all the banks shut their doors and the malls are all closed like Circuit City!
I always thought the Brady bill was a great idea!
(You did know that the guy who shot Mr. Brady was George HW Bushs' friend Hinckly Sr.s' son-he just knicked his main target, because Nancy made Ronnie put on that 'silly' kevlar vest as she didn't trust the xCIA VP!)
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his adopted parents' garage and his sister sorting chips, while Woz did all the tek work. ( Now, in truth, I smoked the same stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was nearly four decades ago.)
Have you never been part of a large corporation? What Apple is doing is totally standard!
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America? Why not frisk every employee and set up a metal detector at the door? This has gotten completely out of control. Just you wait until all the banks shut their doors and the malls are all closed like Circuit City!
I always thought the Brady bill was a great idea!
(You did know that the guy who shot Mr. Brady was George HW Bushs' friend Hinckly Sr.s' son-he just knicked his main target, because Nancy made Ronnie put on that 'silly' kevlar vest as she didn't trust the xCIA VP!)
You're clueless, or trolling. Time to click the ignore button.
Yes, I am serious because if I was to work for Apple, which I'm not, and I had hired and trained 50 people and had to let them go for anything else than economic reasons... I would be next. In fact I would make that decision myself... before others tell me to go look for a new job - not only will that show others that you take your responsibilities seriously, but it will also look better on your Curriculum.
I appreciate your ethical and responsible position. Two qualities that have been eliminated from any 'promising' executives' resume of late, I fear!
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America?
This isn't just about people killing other people. It's about stealing company property, too. It's quite common when people think they have a job, imagine when they don't. As for actual violence in the workplace, your assertion that it last happened several years back is far from the the truth. I have a friend who works at the HQ of a grocery store where it happened not a month ago.
PS: I don't know what S. America has to do with anything.
You're clueless, or trolling. Time to click the ignore button.
Clueless! Look Cam, not only did we rent a house near Reed college a long time ago,when our fearless leader was an much younger Appler-to-be, but I had a conversation with George HW Bush many years back. I was very scared at the time and have tried to lay low since. As far as trolling, I prefer to use a fly.
This isn't just about people killing other people. It's about stealing company property, too. It's quite common when people think they have a job, imagine when they don't. As for actual violence in the workplace, your assertion that it last happened several years back is far from the the truth. I have a friend who works at the HQ of a grocery store where it happened not a month ago.
PS: I don't know what S. America has to do with anything.
I'm sorry-which Frontline program did you miss?
Oh gee, Columbia for example. America is not yet a Police State. The more guns there are, the more people are using guns. Since when should industrial secrets and company property taken by employees who are fired should be handled with fire arms????!!! What country am I living in? We have come a long way baby!
Since when should industrial secrets and company property taken by employees who are fired should be handled with fire arms????
Either you are trolling or are uncommonly obtuse. Your assumption that security strapped themselves just to escort the former employees is foolish, at best. If your uniform is to wear a weapon you don't take it off willy nilly. Your comments make it sound like they walked into a conference room where these unexpected employees were being kept and pulled their weapons telling them to get out of the building and never come back. Regardless of what you want to believe there are plenty of businesses that have armed personal to protect the employees and the company's property.
Either you are trolling or are uncommonly obtuse. Your assumption that security strapped themselves just to escort the former employees is foolish, at best. If your uniform is to wear a weapon you don't take it off willy nilly. Your comments make it sound like they walked into a conference room where these unexpected employees were being kept and pulled their weapons telling them to get out of the building and never come back. Regardless of what you want to believe there are plenty of businesses that have armed personal to protect the employees and the company's property.
It sounds like you may have a military background. To always place a 'guard' into a common situation, is the real mistake.It sets up a disrespectful atmosphere which breeds further hostilities. So as a supporter of using arms for control, I guess your point of view can never be changed. Once you go down that road, all this stuff seems correct and proper."Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword". I guess my naive background gives me false hope that somehow we can accomplish a positive future based on communication, rather than distrust and the belief that everybody is out to get you. I don't believe there would be 6 billion people on the planet today, if we were not eventually able to solve our problems through working things out by agreement, rather than by force. I fear that kind of control has taken control and common sense has become a mere tool of the true controller(s).
AI should lay off publishing "dramatization" type style reports. It's getting stinky in here. Why do reporters feel need to give their opinion? We could care less about opinions. Facts is what we want. Real facts, not opinionated "facts." Come on!
Alright, they're only laying off 50 people. What's all the fuss about?! They're not going to save any money and it's probably just a restructuring. Random people get fired every day... don't they?
I believe Apple should and will license OSX Server to OEMs. Every Mac product has been updated including the xServe except it wasn't publicly announced. Apple hasn't put much effort into the enterprise market and it shows. Have Dell, HP, Gateway, IBM, Lenovo, and every small time server OEM build, market, and add value to the OSX Server solution.
It sounds like you may have a military background. To always place a 'guard' into a common situation, is the real mistake.It sets up a disrespectful atmosphere which breeds further hostilities. So as a supporter of using arms for control, I guess your point of view can never be changed. Once you go down that road, all this stuff seems correct and proper."Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword". I guess my naive background gives me false hope that somehow we can accomplish a positive future based on communication, rather than distrust and the belief that everybody is out to get you. I don't believe there would be 6 billion people on the planet today, if we were not eventually able to solve our problems through working things out by agreement, rather than by force. I fear that kind of control has taken control and common sense has become a mere tool of the true controller(s).
You're not trolling. You're just being incredibly naive and clueless. In your idealistic world where unicorns roam free, everyone is a go-happy camper with not a care in the world. In this world where we will call it "reality" for the time being, how may incidents have made the news where laid-off/fired employees went ballistic on their employers? Some were obvious crackpots, others only needed a trigger to cause damage to people or property (physical or intellectual).
And the results of those incidents? People scream bloody murder as to why proper security was lacking during these times. So while your heart bleeds for the treatment that these unfortunate souls received, I'd bet money that you would also be the first person to get on your high-chair and whine as to how those people were able to commit a violent act and the company was not able to protect the innocent victims.
It only takes one person to cause the damage and companies have to be prepared to act on the worst case scenario..
The guards may have been armed as their duties require, but I seriously, seriously doubt the ex-employees were treated like gestapo guests as you are implying with guns drawn and fingers on the trigger. They were most likely treated with respect and quietly walked to the door. People working in that kind of company environment should never take it personally.
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The Mac maker is said by CNET News to have kept quiet and let go of some Cupertino-based employees, as well as a whole sales division in Austin, by bringing the affected employees into meeting rooms last week and giving them the notices with security guards in tow.
Why were some of the employees "Cupertino-based", yet the Texans were not "Austin-based"? You guys are just messin' with us now, aren't you?
The fricking acting ceo said last week nobody was laid off.
Face the facts, apple is full of shit and their board of directors is hotter than the last pos 17" $9,000 laptop they sold their fucking fans.
Jesus doesn't smoke anything, but I did. It was Al Gores favorite blend too!
So you expect a company to be able to hire only people who won't be upset when they lose their job?
So you expect a company to be able to hire only people who won't be upset when they lose their job?
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his adopted parents' garage and his sister sorting chips, while Woz did all the tek work. ( Now, in truth, I smoked the same stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was nearly four decades ago.)
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his garage and his sister sorting chips.( Now, in truth, I smoked the stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was decades ago.)
First of all, if security is strapped I'm sure it's part of their uniform, not something that they added their person for the escort out of the building.
Second, escorting ex-employees out of a building and revoking their access is standard practice. It's too easy for ex-employees to get make poor decisions after being let go. Not that it would be a common thing, but it only takes one to make security a necessary precaution.
Lastly, we don't know about the situation and since it's only 50 employees and their job is being done by an outside firm (as opposed to letting a 1000 people go from all over the company so that all departments still function albeit with less people) points to a layoff that isn't the typical downsizing being seen elsewhere.
On top of that, we don't know what sort of severance pay they received. I once got was laid off from a company because that department was closing and the rest of the company wasn't hiring nor was fit for my skills. I received 6 months of severance plus $5000 bonus plus my unused holiday pay paid out in a nifty lump sum. I wasn't complaining!
Are you serious? The HR guys call the shots...they probably have everyone documented in Excel spreadsheets on their Dell PCs. I think their jobs are safer than anybodys. But you are right-Apple should keep the people it trains so extensively and find other ways to trim. How bout the legal department??
Yes, I am serious because if I was to work for Apple, which I'm not, and I had hired and trained 50 people and had to let them go for anything else than economic reasons... I would be next. In fact I would make that decision myself... before others tell me to go look for a new job - not only will that show others that you take your responsibilities seriously, but it will also look better on your Curriculum.
Second, escorting ex-employees out of a building and revoking their access is standard practice. It's too easy for ex-employees to get make poor decisions after being let go. Not that it would be a common thing, but it only takes one to make security a necessary precaution."
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America? Why not frisk every employee and set up a metal detector at the door? This has gotten completely out of control. Just you wait until all the banks shut their doors and the malls are all closed like Circuit City!
I always thought the Brady bill was a great idea!
(You did know that the guy who shot Mr. Brady was George HW Bushs' friend Hinckly Sr.s' son-he just knicked his main target, because Nancy made Ronnie put on that 'silly' kevlar vest as she didn't trust the xCIA VP!)
Well seriously Cam, if Apple has to lay off these people, they can do it in a way that doesn't require such threatening security. As I mentioned yesterday, Apple wouldn't dare upset the customers by having cameras near the front of the store, or allow any employee to challenge a customer who puts a FCP box into their empty baby carriage. Yet they let employees go as soon as they get to work and accompany them out the back door with a pair of ex 'KJB' agents with Smith&Wesson snub nose hand guns strapped to their chests. This is no way to treat someone who loves what Apple has created since Steve left Portland for his adopted parents' garage and his sister sorting chips, while Woz did all the tek work. ( Now, in truth, I smoked the same stuff Steve did, sometimes in the same place. But that was nearly four decades ago.)
Have you never been part of a large corporation? What Apple is doing is totally standard!
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America? Why not frisk every employee and set up a metal detector at the door? This has gotten completely out of control. Just you wait until all the banks shut their doors and the malls are all closed like Circuit City!
I always thought the Brady bill was a great idea!
(You did know that the guy who shot Mr. Brady was George HW Bushs' friend Hinckly Sr.s' son-he just knicked his main target, because Nancy made Ronnie put on that 'silly' kevlar vest as she didn't trust the xCIA VP!)
You're clueless, or trolling. Time to click the ignore button.
Apple welcome to the recession
I am sure more is to come from the Mac maker! This is just the beginning!
Yes, I am serious because if I was to work for Apple, which I'm not, and I had hired and trained 50 people and had to let them go for anything else than economic reasons... I would be next. In fact I would make that decision myself... before others tell me to go look for a new job - not only will that show others that you take your responsibilities seriously, but it will also look better on your Curriculum.
I appreciate your ethical and responsible position. Two qualities that have been eliminated from any 'promising' executives' resume of late, I fear!
This mentality is really a problem. Just because some Prozac dosed postal employees went nuts a few years back, it has become "standard practice" to do this. Do we really live in South America?
This isn't just about people killing other people. It's about stealing company property, too. It's quite common when people think they have a job, imagine when they don't. As for actual violence in the workplace, your assertion that it last happened several years back is far from the the truth. I have a friend who works at the HQ of a grocery store where it happened not a month ago.
PS: I don't know what S. America has to do with anything.
You're clueless, or trolling. Time to click the ignore button.
Clueless! Look Cam, not only did we rent a house near Reed college a long time ago,when our fearless leader was an much younger Appler-to-be, but I had a conversation with George HW Bush many years back. I was very scared at the time and have tried to lay low since. As far as trolling, I prefer to use a fly.
This isn't just about people killing other people. It's about stealing company property, too. It's quite common when people think they have a job, imagine when they don't. As for actual violence in the workplace, your assertion that it last happened several years back is far from the the truth. I have a friend who works at the HQ of a grocery store where it happened not a month ago.
PS: I don't know what S. America has to do with anything.
I'm sorry-which Frontline program did you miss?
Oh gee, Columbia for example. America is not yet a Police State. The more guns there are, the more people are using guns. Since when should industrial secrets and company property taken by employees who are fired should be handled with fire arms????!!! What country am I living in? We have come a long way baby!
Since when should industrial secrets and company property taken by employees who are fired should be handled with fire arms????
Either you are trolling or are uncommonly obtuse. Your assumption that security strapped themselves just to escort the former employees is foolish, at best. If your uniform is to wear a weapon you don't take it off willy nilly. Your comments make it sound like they walked into a conference room where these unexpected employees were being kept and pulled their weapons telling them to get out of the building and never come back. Regardless of what you want to believe there are plenty of businesses that have armed personal to protect the employees and the company's property.
Either you are trolling or are uncommonly obtuse. Your assumption that security strapped themselves just to escort the former employees is foolish, at best. If your uniform is to wear a weapon you don't take it off willy nilly. Your comments make it sound like they walked into a conference room where these unexpected employees were being kept and pulled their weapons telling them to get out of the building and never come back. Regardless of what you want to believe there are plenty of businesses that have armed personal to protect the employees and the company's property.
It sounds like you may have a military background. To always place a 'guard' into a common situation, is the real mistake.It sets up a disrespectful atmosphere which breeds further hostilities. So as a supporter of using arms for control, I guess your point of view can never be changed. Once you go down that road, all this stuff seems correct and proper."Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword". I guess my naive background gives me false hope that somehow we can accomplish a positive future based on communication, rather than distrust and the belief that everybody is out to get you. I don't believe there would be 6 billion people on the planet today, if we were not eventually able to solve our problems through working things out by agreement, rather than by force. I fear that kind of control has taken control and common sense has become a mere tool of the true controller(s).
Alright, they're only laying off 50 people. What's all the fuss about?! They're not going to save any money and it's probably just a restructuring. Random people get fired every day... don't they?
I believe Apple should and will license OSX Server to OEMs. Every Mac product has been updated including the xServe except it wasn't publicly announced. Apple hasn't put much effort into the enterprise market and it shows. Have Dell, HP, Gateway, IBM, Lenovo, and every small time server OEM build, market, and add value to the OSX Server solution.
It sounds like you may have a military background. To always place a 'guard' into a common situation, is the real mistake.It sets up a disrespectful atmosphere which breeds further hostilities. So as a supporter of using arms for control, I guess your point of view can never be changed. Once you go down that road, all this stuff seems correct and proper."Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword". I guess my naive background gives me false hope that somehow we can accomplish a positive future based on communication, rather than distrust and the belief that everybody is out to get you. I don't believe there would be 6 billion people on the planet today, if we were not eventually able to solve our problems through working things out by agreement, rather than by force. I fear that kind of control has taken control and common sense has become a mere tool of the true controller(s).
You're not trolling. You're just being incredibly naive and clueless. In your idealistic world where unicorns roam free, everyone is a go-happy camper with not a care in the world. In this world where we will call it "reality" for the time being, how may incidents have made the news where laid-off/fired employees went ballistic on their employers? Some were obvious crackpots, others only needed a trigger to cause damage to people or property (physical or intellectual).
And the results of those incidents? People scream bloody murder as to why proper security was lacking during these times. So while your heart bleeds for the treatment that these unfortunate souls received, I'd bet money that you would also be the first person to get on your high-chair and whine as to how those people were able to commit a violent act and the company was not able to protect the innocent victims.
It only takes one person to cause the damage and companies have to be prepared to act on the worst case scenario..
The guards may have been armed as their duties require, but I seriously, seriously doubt the ex-employees were treated like gestapo guests as you are implying with guns drawn and fingers on the trigger. They were most likely treated with respect and quietly walked to the door. People working in that kind of company environment should never take it personally.
Sheesh... get over yourself Hanoi Jane.