By now, I hope these bugs are ones that almost nobody ever experiences....
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
Do you have any evidence to support your claims that throngs of people are leaving Leopard so far into its release cycle for an OS that first debuted in April 2005? I would expect any tired and true OS to be more stable after than a newer one, but if that was the motivation for using an OS we'd all be a version behind, but we like features that allow us to be more productive.
For instance, Windows XP is very stable. Slow and and lacks many modern features many os are accustom, but stable none-the-less.
Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's not just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
I agree about there being plenty of bugs that are pretty common still, and equally a bunch of ones that meant nothing to me in the last six point pointers.
Finally fixing MBP issues with waking from sleep would be good. Whether forgetting WiFi connections, coming up with a blank screen, applying the nasty default Color LCD calibration, disallowing reconnect to SMB shares, etc. These have all been around as long as Leopard has, and never existed in Tiger. Man, even just making the MBP reliably actually go to sleep when it is asked to would be nice!
I am so happy to hear you dev guys that Leopard is buggy. I personally made comments on the support forum, calling it the Apple's Vista just to get the comment delete. I found it quite unacceptable that an OS is being put on sale when it doesn't really work (remember 10.5.0) Hardly managed to power on the machine. But because I am not an expert, and not technical I limit my comments, while others seems to be sale people for apple.
I personally suffer from the self-IP issue every time I change network. Recently it has happened without even changing network. The only solution I have found was to open the firewall to 'Open to all connection' for few seconds to finally get a distributed IP. This not what I will call a great improvement in securities.
Suffer also from HD not going to sleep. It cost me a HD failure after 1 y use. Now managed it by letting the comp going to sleep after a few minutes of non activities.
Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.
That's disappointing. I guess the bright side is that even if the rumor is right about SL not supporting PowerPC Macs, I won't be missing much on my older computers.
But that's exactly why Apple is trying to get developers off Carbon and onto Cocoa. Fixing Carbon just isn't worth the hassle. Trying to shoehorn in support for apps that still use the deprecated QuickDraw to get resolution independence working or getting carbon window groups working just isn't worth it.
Combine that with the fact that Microsoft and Adobe are increasingly becoming irrelevant now that iWork and the myriads of vector and bitmap graphics apps and web authoring apps available for OS X, I think Apple does give a flying fuck if Adobe or Microsoft bail or if the professionals bail. Apple has shifted its attention to consumers lately with much less emphasis on the professionals. Apple will continue to provide pro apps to fill in the void left by Adobe or MS leaving the platform (if they ever have the balls to do it and lose a fairly big chunk of their revenues) and it will be up to the professionals to be smart enough to decide which platform makes them more productive. If they find Windows to be the better platform, Apple won't care.
If it just won't mess with Firefox I'll be happy - the last update caused Firefox to behave very erratically, and it took me FOREVER to figure out it was the Flash component.
Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?
Never heard of those, but I'm having the exact same problem, but with the syslogd process, that I read is a logging process used for error reporting and stuff. It stalls one core at 98% at random intervals, developing some serious heat, draining the battery and slowing the computer down. I just turned it off with a terminal script, and now I'm fine. It's only a problem on one of my machines though. This was a problem after a fresh install so it's not really related to any third party software I think.
I'm just hoping it fixes my problems with dula-link DVI -- the monitor flashes and goes crazy about every 10 minutes, and then I need to either put the computer to sleep or unplug and replug the monitor.
very irritating, and extremely impacting on my productivity.
Amen to that! We have the same setup on two machines at work, and the monitors (thanks to this terrible cable from Apple that costs $100 mind you) flake out several times per day, every day. Big productivity impact. I also have issues with wireless networking on an N router at work. But the monitor one is the one that concerns me, whether we are doomed to bad hardware, or this is something Apple will/can fix in software. Along with many others I've left a negative review here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571
Can anyone comment on fixes for the mini display port dual-link DVI cable problems?
I am so happy to hear you dev guys that Leopard is buggy. I personally made comments on the support forum, calling it the Apple's Vista just to get the comment delete. I found it quite unacceptable that an OS is being put on sale when it doesn't really work (remember 10.5.0).
Curiously I have fewer issues with Vista than with Leopard. And I had no more issues with 10.5.0 than I do with 10.5.6. There were bits in between like 10.5.2 and the 'graphics update' that screwed the graphics stuff up, but that was mainly fixed by 10.5.4.
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Three things that bother me from 10.5.6:
1. The two finger gesture to make something bigger doesn't work in coverflow anymore.
Finder Preferences > Advanced > Zoom using trackpad
...if this update allowed my iMac to go to sleep like it's supposed to
Yes! Twice in the past two nights, my MacBook has woken up by itself (and thus, waking ME up).
By now, I hope these bugs are ones that almost nobody ever experiences....
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
They all have code-names, they just aren't widely reported anymore.
Maybe I just didn't notice before, I don't recall ever seeing code names reported for bugfix updates like that.
What about cut and paste?.... I'm kidding! I'm kidding!
I've noticed that a lot of people say that they want "cut and paste."
Don't they really want "copy and paste?"
Why not just refer to it as 10.5.7 internally? Makes more sense than having to remember what build "Juno" referred to.
It is a motivational thing to have developers give their projects names. Repeatedly saying ten point five point seven is painful at best.
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
That's awesome. I hope they stay there. Forever.
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
Do you have any evidence to support your claims that throngs of people are leaving Leopard so far into its release cycle for an OS that first debuted in April 2005? I would expect any tired and true OS to be more stable after than a newer one, but if that was the motivation for using an OS we'd all be a version behind, but we like features that allow us to be more productive.
For instance, Windows XP is very stable. Slow and and lacks many modern features many os are accustom, but stable none-the-less.
Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's not just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.
You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).
Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"
Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
I agree about there being plenty of bugs that are pretty common still, and equally a bunch of ones that meant nothing to me in the last six point pointers.
Finally fixing MBP issues with waking from sleep would be good. Whether forgetting WiFi connections, coming up with a blank screen, applying the nasty default Color LCD calibration, disallowing reconnect to SMB shares, etc. These have all been around as long as Leopard has, and never existed in Tiger. Man, even just making the MBP reliably actually go to sleep when it is asked to would be nice!
I personally suffer from the self-IP issue every time I change network. Recently it has happened without even changing network. The only solution I have found was to open the firewall to 'Open to all connection' for few seconds to finally get a distributed IP. This not what I will call a great improvement in securities.
Suffer also from HD not going to sleep. It cost me a HD failure after 1 y use. Now managed it by letting the comp going to sleep after a few minutes of non activities.
Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.
That's disappointing. I guess the bright side is that even if the rumor is right about SL not supporting PowerPC Macs, I won't be missing much on my older computers.
Suffer also from HD not going to sleep. It cost me a HD failure after 1 y use.
This is rich. Blaming Apple for your HD failure.
If you're unhappy, go use another OS. Nobody cares. You shoud be doing what you think is best for *yourself*.
http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/post/8...e-fake-windows
http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2008/10/...s-and-rewards/
And no one has talked about fixing Carbon Window Groups in Spaces yet? I really hope we don't have to wait until 10.6 for this...
http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/post/8...e-fake-windows
http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2008/10/...s-and-rewards/
But that's exactly why Apple is trying to get developers off Carbon and onto Cocoa. Fixing Carbon just isn't worth the hassle. Trying to shoehorn in support for apps that still use the deprecated QuickDraw to get resolution independence working or getting carbon window groups working just isn't worth it.
Combine that with the fact that Microsoft and Adobe are increasingly becoming irrelevant now that iWork and the myriads of vector and bitmap graphics apps and web authoring apps available for OS X, I think Apple does give a flying fuck if Adobe or Microsoft bail or if the professionals bail. Apple has shifted its attention to consumers lately with much less emphasis on the professionals. Apple will continue to provide pro apps to fill in the void left by Adobe or MS leaving the platform (if they ever have the balls to do it and lose a fairly big chunk of their revenues) and it will be up to the professionals to be smart enough to decide which platform makes them more productive. If they find Windows to be the better platform, Apple won't care.
Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?
Never heard of those, but I'm having the exact same problem, but with the syslogd process, that I read is a logging process used for error reporting and stuff. It stalls one core at 98% at random intervals, developing some serious heat, draining the battery and slowing the computer down. I just turned it off with a terminal script, and now I'm fine. It's only a problem on one of my machines though. This was a problem after a fresh install so it's not really related to any third party software I think.
Looking forward to the "optimized" snow leopard
I'm just hoping it fixes my problems with dula-link DVI -- the monitor flashes and goes crazy about every 10 minutes, and then I need to either put the computer to sleep or unplug and replug the monitor.
very irritating, and extremely impacting on my productivity.
Amen to that! We have the same setup on two machines at work, and the monitors (thanks to this terrible cable from Apple that costs $100 mind you) flake out several times per day, every day. Big productivity impact. I also have issues with wireless networking on an N router at work. But the monitor one is the one that concerns me, whether we are doomed to bad hardware, or this is something Apple will/can fix in software. Along with many others I've left a negative review here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571
Can anyone comment on fixes for the mini display port dual-link DVI cable problems?
I am so happy to hear you dev guys that Leopard is buggy. I personally made comments on the support forum, calling it the Apple's Vista just to get the comment delete. I found it quite unacceptable that an OS is being put on sale when it doesn't really work (remember 10.5.0).
Curiously I have fewer issues with Vista than with Leopard. And I had no more issues with 10.5.0 than I do with 10.5.6. There were bits in between like 10.5.2 and the 'graphics update' that screwed the graphics stuff up, but that was mainly fixed by 10.5.4.
Maybe I just didn't notice before, I don't recall ever seeing code names reported for bugfix updates like that.
Smeagol comes into mind.