many people havn't switched because software isn't out
some because they havn't gotten to use it yet and see hwo spectacular it is
some because they haven't the time to learn the new interface which is completely different specially for non tech savvy pros who just are comfortable with software
it will take another couple years but people will eventually move up, newsoftware and new HW will be the final decision
" some because they haven't the time to learn the new interface which is completely different specially for non tech savvy pros who just are comfortable with software "
Why do you need to be technical? The interface is really simple and easy to use. The lack of adoption is based on attitude really.
Once again I'll sight the switch from DOS to Windows 95 in the finacial aid dept. at the university where I work. One person ( who is really intelligent and capable ) didn't understand working with a mouse. Once she switched and got used to it however she wouldn't go back for all the tea in China.
The moral of the story is that people become complacent and don't like change. That's really it in a nutshell.
On a personal note I'm not a pro user but I don't go back to 9 unless I can't avoid it. Why would you want to? I do know A friend who works for a local community access TV station and they use OS X with FCP now.
Yeah but OS X is like going from OS 9 to Windows 95 too. Apple should have waited until they had an Apple worthy product and not done a M$ and released an OS that was known to have significant problems. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Before you switch, check if your accesories are supported in OSX.
MANY scanners are not supported... and I am not talking about consumer models, many of the profesisonal models are not suported.
Printers are another issue, they havn't worked out all of the issues on professional printers. Many are using GIMP print and Ghost writer to run their prints. A good piece of software but not all the functionality you had in os9
Networks are almost there. If you are running Win2000 or OSX server, then you are much better off then any other network... I run on NT, and have had all kinds of issues, but they are getting worked out with each new update of OSX.
For video. FCP is crashing regularly in OSX. There are work arounds, but it is much more stable in OS9. (some never experiance these problems, depends on your system hardware and file types.)
Some professional are switching. But you need to weight the benefits. If you are gogin to loose money on this venture of switching, then wait it out. In less then a year everything should be running.
edit:
I forgot to mention. Audio... not there yet. OS9 is MUCH better, but with protols comeing to X soon that could change.
BTW I have PEAK and DECK. I am not at all satisfied with DECK. their version was shipped unusable with OSX 10.2 to make it work I had to immediately upgrade it as soon as I got it. I am still not happy with it.. A waste of money. I should have waited and saved my money for protools.
for pro graphic designers, osx is far away. quark for one is too important. designers don't have a choice. printers want quark files. if quark puts out a osx native version in the next year, in design will probably die even if it's better. if printers all accepted in design files, i would switch to in design today. osx and apple for that matter seem to be most interested in novice users. "the digital hub" is a great concept for imac users taking home movies with their camcorder and making mp3's for their ipod. i think it's great, getting people involved in creative processes, and it's good for apple, but right now the os is really only suitable for amateur users. in march the os will be 2 years old. if i switch to osx my peripherals won't work and neither will quark. 2 years, and my epson scanner doesn't have a fully functional osx driver, and this scanner is sold at apple stores right next to g4 towers running an os that won't recognize it.
Quark is a piece of _shit_ compared to InDesign 2.0 and I most real graphic designers I know (not the "oh, look, it can do dropshadows!" types) are switching to InDesign and certainly many are switching to OSX because they like the idea of a system that doesn't freeze. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Would these be the same designers working in studios at Time Warner, Condé Nast, American Express Publishing, Young & Rubicam, Grey Advertising, or any other?
Most magazines are still being built with Quark 4~. They can't just introduce OS X at this stage. It's still too buggy. Most advertising agencies can't justify the cost of upgrading, training, administering a new system.
OS X is stable, but it still can't be introduced into an existing design environment without a major finance/time investment.
The future of offset printing is digital. Digital plates are produced from PDFs which can be produced from any number of sources. Although the US has been slow to adopt to digital printing, press manufacturers like Agfa are pushing anlog plate making out of the picture.
<strong> The lack of adoption is based on attitude really. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but not neccesarily attitude from the design front--but from the decision makers who must weigh the benefits of introducing OS X into their studio environment. Those benefits must overwhelm financial risk.
<strong>Not to mention Apple's new chip in the 2nd half of next year as an incentive to upgrade.
'03/'04 will be OS X's coming of age.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple's "new chip" will bring us up to speed with where we should be NOW, while Intel continues to break barriers with dedicated R&D and mass-market support.
You may predict the next two years for OS X to come of age, but a lot of people can't afford to wait that long. If you recall we've been waiting for a "real" operating system since the name Rhapsody was spoken throughout the Mac communities.
If it works for you, for now, fine.. wait until you're sure it'll work for you on X. Mac OS X isn't going to die just because a few old DTP/audio geeks who don't like change aren't switching over to OS X... we'll still be there in a few years, and things will be even better.
i work for a large, major ad agency (our agency network is the largest in the country i believe) and all of our art directors and all of our studio and imaging folk have all moved to os x jaguar and indesign in our office. i was using 10.1.x for a little while before the mass migration. there are still a few little glitches, but most everyone has been happy with the switch.
Most of the problems people have noted with OS X are really screw ups on developers' parts, but they are real all the same, we still have to put up with them. Epson has had horrible driver support for OS X, slow release, under featured ...
Regardless, currently I am moving an entire campus to Mac OS X v.10.2.2, primary use of our Mac labs for classes is digital imaging, web design, digital publishing, and video.
I also run my own network of about 15 computers including Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Mac OS 7, NeXTSTEP 3, Linux, and Windows 2000 [girlfriend won't let me move completely to Linux on her old Dell even though she bought an iBook so its a dual boot]. By far all the work gets done on the OS X Macs, the OS 9 Macs are there for some server type purposes for databases and backup, the rest are mainly for experimentation.
<strong>A lot of people in video aren't switching, because many popular plugins haven't been ported.
I've switched, and it's been painful. I still can't get over how SLOW OS X is, even in Jag.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We have been putting OS X and Avid Express DV on all of our old DP 500mhz Macs. Our Avid editors love being able to off-line in their offices. This has taken a lot of pressure off of our Avid Media Composer rooms. We transcode D-Beta to DV through a decent transcoder, off-line, then batch digitize 1:1 in the full-blown rooms.
Some of our work only ends up on broadcast servers. Since the servers are a lower bit-rate than DV we have found we can on-line in DV for these projects. The video through a good transcoder looks unbelievably good.
Avid Expess DV works very well on the old 500's so it should fly on newer machines.
We also have a very large design department that is switching to OS X. But most of the designers are installing X on a second partitioned drive so they can still use OS 9 for non-native apps (safety net).
Thanks for the link. I currently use Peak and Deck, but neither of these tools act as a proper sequencer for MIDI and Audio. Thank God Logic is out, and others are on the way, but until they are out, I strongly caution against making the switch. Cubasis is a home-studio solution at best. Steinberg's Nuendo would be a better choice for professionals.
Tidbit:<a href="http://www.sibelius.com"; target="_blank">Sibelius</a> was the first professional music app for OS X. It was released way back in March! It's considered the Quark of the Music Publishing world.
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some because they havn't gotten to use it yet and see hwo spectacular it is
some because they haven't the time to learn the new interface which is completely different specially for non tech savvy pros who just are comfortable with software
it will take another couple years but people will eventually move up, newsoftware and new HW will be the final decision
Why do you need to be technical? The interface is really simple and easy to use. The lack of adoption is based on attitude really.
Once again I'll sight the switch from DOS to Windows 95 in the finacial aid dept. at the university where I work. One person ( who is really intelligent and capable ) didn't understand working with a mouse. Once she switched and got used to it however she wouldn't go back for all the tea in China.
The moral of the story is that people become complacent and don't like change. That's really it in a nutshell.
On a personal note I'm not a pro user but I don't go back to 9 unless I can't avoid it. Why would you want to? I do know A friend who works for a local community access TV station and they use OS X with FCP now.
[ 11-27-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
<strong>" ...DOS to Windows 95...
[ 11-27-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah but OS X is like going from OS 9 to Windows 95 too. Apple should have waited until they had an Apple worthy product and not done a M$ and released an OS that was known to have significant problems. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
MANY scanners are not supported... and I am not talking about consumer models, many of the profesisonal models are not suported.
Printers are another issue, they havn't worked out all of the issues on professional printers. Many are using GIMP print and Ghost writer to run their prints. A good piece of software but not all the functionality you had in os9
Networks are almost there. If you are running Win2000 or OSX server, then you are much better off then any other network... I run on NT, and have had all kinds of issues, but they are getting worked out with each new update of OSX.
For video. FCP is crashing regularly in OSX. There are work arounds, but it is much more stable in OS9. (some never experiance these problems, depends on your system hardware and file types.)
Some professional are switching. But you need to weight the benefits. If you are gogin to loose money on this venture of switching, then wait it out. In less then a year everything should be running.
edit:
I forgot to mention. Audio... not there yet. OS9 is MUCH better, but with protols comeing to X soon that could change.
BTW I have PEAK and DECK. I am not at all satisfied with DECK. their version was shipped unusable with OSX 10.2 to make it work I had to immediately upgrade it as soon as I got it. I am still not happy with it.. A waste of money. I should have waited and saved my money for protools.
[ 11-28-2002: Message edited by: Buggy ]</p>
<strong>
Quark is a piece of _shit_ compared to InDesign 2.0 and I most real graphic designers I know (not the "oh, look, it can do dropshadows!" types) are switching to InDesign and certainly many are switching to OSX because they like the idea of a system that doesn't freeze. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Would these be the same designers working in studios at Time Warner, Condé Nast, American Express Publishing, Young & Rubicam, Grey Advertising, or any other?
Most magazines are still being built with Quark 4~. They can't just introduce OS X at this stage. It's still too buggy. Most advertising agencies can't justify the cost of upgrading, training, administering a new system.
OS X is stable, but it still can't be introduced into an existing design environment without a major finance/time investment.
<strong>printers want quark files. </strong><hr></blockquote>
The future of offset printing is digital. Digital plates are produced from PDFs which can be produced from any number of sources. Although the US has been slow to adopt to digital printing, press manufacturers like Agfa are pushing anlog plate making out of the picture.
<strong> The lack of adoption is based on attitude really. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but not neccesarily attitude from the design front--but from the decision makers who must weigh the benefits of introducing OS X into their studio environment. Those benefits must overwhelm financial risk.
<strong>Not to mention Apple's new chip in the 2nd half of next year as an incentive to upgrade.
'03/'04 will be OS X's coming of age.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple's "new chip" will bring us up to speed with where we should be NOW, while Intel continues to break barriers with dedicated R&D and mass-market support.
You may predict the next two years for OS X to come of age, but a lot of people can't afford to wait that long. If you recall we've been waiting for a "real" operating system since the name Rhapsody was spoken throughout the Mac communities.
[ 11-28-2002: Message edited by: MacLuv ]</p>
<strong>M3D Jack
Director is here. Director MX. Just saw it today on the apple site.
enjoy.
Flick.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yay! Transition is complete! Well, when the decide to ship it "sometime in December".
[ 11-29-2002: Message edited by: admactanium ]</p>
Regardless, currently I am moving an entire campus to Mac OS X v.10.2.2, primary use of our Mac labs for classes is digital imaging, web design, digital publishing, and video.
I also run my own network of about 15 computers including Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Mac OS 7, NeXTSTEP 3, Linux, and Windows 2000 [girlfriend won't let me move completely to Linux on her old Dell even though she bought an iBook so its a dual boot]. By far all the work gets done on the OS X Macs, the OS 9 Macs are there for some server type purposes for databases and backup, the rest are mainly for experimentation.
<strong>A lot of people in video aren't switching, because many popular plugins haven't been ported.
I've switched, and it's been painful. I still can't get over how SLOW OS X is, even in Jag.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We have been putting OS X and Avid Express DV on all of our old DP 500mhz Macs. Our Avid editors love being able to off-line in their offices. This has taken a lot of pressure off of our Avid Media Composer rooms. We transcode D-Beta to DV through a decent transcoder, off-line, then batch digitize 1:1 in the full-blown rooms.
Some of our work only ends up on broadcast servers. Since the servers are a lower bit-rate than DV we have found we can on-line in DV for these projects. The video through a good transcoder looks unbelievably good.
Avid Expess DV works very well on the old 500's so it should fly on newer machines.
We also have a very large design department that is switching to OS X. But most of the designers are installing X on a second partitioned drive so they can still use OS 9 for non-native apps (safety net).
<strong>
Yay! Transition is complete! Well, when the decide to ship it "sometime in December".</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't forget to upgrade your PC version too....
This is why I hate Director
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What about PEAK, DECK, Cubasis, et al???
Here is a review of Peak 3.1.
<a href="http://www.macuser.co.uk/reviews/reviews_story.php?id=32051"; target="_blank">http://www.macuser.co.uk/reviews/reviews_story.php?id=32051</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
Thanks for the link. I currently use Peak and Deck, but neither of these tools act as a proper sequencer for MIDI and Audio. Thank God Logic is out, and others are on the way, but until they are out, I strongly caution against making the switch. Cubasis is a home-studio solution at best. Steinberg's Nuendo would be a better choice for professionals.
Tidbit:<a href="http://www.sibelius.com"; target="_blank">Sibelius</a> was the first professional music app for OS X. It was released way back in March! It's considered the Quark of the Music Publishing world.