Notice that Apple referred to the iPod line and not just the iPod touch. It makes complete sense to create a video iPod that's also a still and video camera.
Why might Apple create a combo product?
Apple has no camera products whose sales would be hurt.
Placed only on high-end iPods, it would further differentiate them from low-end, smaller-profit-margin iPods, whose current features are all most users need for listening and watching.
Today's cameras play well with PCs and Macs. This one might play just a little better with iLife software, selling more Macs.
Both devices require a screen, video processing capabilities, and storage. Consumers would get more for their money.
The camera wouldn't have to be high-definition, just good enough for family and friends.
Basic video and picture editing could be built in. It'd be great to have a camera that would let users fully annotate photos on the spot.
One less gadget to take on trips and fret about keeping charged. One less gadget to find a pocket for and potentially lose. One less gadget to synch back at home.
Getting really bold, if Apple added WiFi, an ability to stream video over IP (perhaps by partnering with Skype), this would be a pocket-sized gadget that would let someone on a trip have a video chat with family or business colleagues. And since an iPod isn't an iPhone, cell carriers couldn't block it.
Someone already has a cell phone that's also a decent camera. This is a similar sort of idea and, unlike some combo products, done right the two would fit well together.
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
I see that some people think this Ad is a bit late. But it's also possible that Apple already has someone in this position, or in a similat position who is leaving, and they need to be replaced.
Apple has been hiring engineers and engineering managers for camera and lens positions for over a year. We've discussed those hirings.
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
Apple is happy as long as you buy their product (iPhone or iPod Touch) and not the competition. When you buy an iPod Touch (or an iPhone) your relation with Apple won't stop their. You will come back to pay for software updates, buy apps from the app store, and buy your music and video from iTunes. It is a win win for Apple.
@PG4G, great articulation. I often find myself wondering the same; namely how much is Apple operating from a unified sense of Mac + iLife/iWork + iPhone/iPod touch + iTunes, and how much is separate but complimentary. Case in point is Apple TV. Does it converge with iPhone 3.0 platform this year or not?
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Hypermark,
I have to agree with you on a lot of things, this being one of them. In some ways I see MacWorld as showing us something we found very hard to understand. We wanted new products, a new iPhone, a new Mac Mini, but Apple presented something else: life-usable software. iLife and iWork '09 didn't seem like big things but it appears to me like apple was consolidating itself as a "digital solutions provider."
When going to Apple products, you can choose to pick bits to use, like an iPod, and its great. Or you can choose to integrate them into Apple Technologies and you have something new. Everything compliments itself. At times, I'd say its hard to see apple's vision. I'd say right about now, however, that this is it. Bringing media into an integrated form. Much like the iPod integrated video, photos and music for enjoyment, the iPod and iPhone lines can be used as strong lifestyle tools for taking videos, recording a speech, or taking a snap, then taking them back to the mac for more detailed interaction.
I'm interested to see how far Apple goes with this integration, but I'd say video and camera is now the next step, be it iPod or iPhone
Hmm, hardly a new feature -- video recording works GREAT today on a 1st Gen. iPhone after you Quickpwn and use VideoRecorder3g, Cycorder or Ustream (.TV Broadcast)...
Apple is just playing games restricting features from early-adopters and building some ill-will in the process. :-(
@sreehemanth, specific to the Core Location stuff, there is a whole door that opens to what I call Right Here Now services; namely the intersection of real-time communications (be it IM, voice or video chat) and locative services.
Think walkie-talkie or CB radio on steroids, something that I blogged about in:
Right Here Now" services: weaving a real-time web around status
I think this feature upgrade is imminent because, the new CoreLocation has the ability to provide geotagging for the pictures as well gps systems. So I think it is blends in seamlessly!
I would love to a dual-camera (one on front and another on the back) on either iPhone or iPod touch... i know it may too much to ask, but it could revolutionize the way one can communicate on these devices.... imagine video conferencing via the already existing feature in iChat ... coming to think of it... i feel its high time they did it alreay!
It would be great to have an iPhone that offers GSM/UMTS/HSPA/LTE/CDMA/EV-DO/WiMax/Wi-Fi N all-in-one -- then you can be on any/all networks... ;-)
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You know what iPod touch should have build-in, WiMAX!!
Imagine, we have Skype, WiFi and everything, just like an iPhone.
(Missing GPS, bluetooth and camera that I can live without while there are better alternative on GPS and camera.)
We can use iPod touch to make phone call anywhere using Skype (other VoIP be available in near future I guess) over WiFi today. If there is WiMAX, we can all drop the cell phone service. Besides VoIP, if you can surf web anywhere for a fair price (damn cellular providers stealing money from customers), isn't it the best?
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
Well you can now make calls via Skype on the Touch very soon. But I'm with you- I keep my small formed crappy phone that's charged up for calls alone and own a 16G Touch for my portable entertainment. I don't have to worry about draining the battery on the Touch because I get all my calls on my little LG Chocolate. I have friends who tell me they have to constantly chargeit if they play music and watch videos, etc on their iPhone.
@PG4G, great articulation. I often find myself wondering the same; namely how much is Apple operating from a unified sense of Mac + iLife/iWork + iPhone/iPod touch + iTunes, and how much is separate but complimentary. Case in point is Apple TV. Does it converge with iPhone 3.0 platform this year or not?
The ATV needs Safari like a year ago. The iPhone and Touch both have Safari yet the internet ATV is not allowed? Apple's afraid we might rent a movie from somewhere else.
Hmm, hardly a new feature -- video recording works GREAT today on a 1st Gen. iPhone after you ... (break into it and mess around with a lot of complicated files)...
15 blurry frames a second with heavy shear and pixelation is hardly "GREAT" performance.
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Why might Apple create a combo product?
- Apple has no camera products whose sales would be hurt.
- Placed only on high-end iPods, it would further differentiate them from low-end, smaller-profit-margin iPods, whose current features are all most users need for listening and watching.
- Today's cameras play well with PCs and Macs. This one might play just a little better with iLife software, selling more Macs.
- Both devices require a screen, video processing capabilities, and storage. Consumers would get more for their money.
- The camera wouldn't have to be high-definition, just good enough for family and friends.
- Basic video and picture editing could be built in. It'd be great to have a camera that would let users fully annotate photos on the spot.
- One less gadget to take on trips and fret about keeping charged. One less gadget to find a pocket for and potentially lose. One less gadget to synch back at home.
- Getting really bold, if Apple added WiFi, an ability to stream video over IP (perhaps by partnering with Skype), this would be a pocket-sized gadget that would let someone on a trip have a video chat with family or business colleagues. And since an iPod isn't an iPhone, cell carriers couldn't block it.
Someone already has a cell phone that's also a decent camera. This is a similar sort of idea and, unlike some combo products, done right the two would fit well together.--Michael W. Perry, Seattle
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I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
Apple has been hiring engineers and engineering managers for camera and lens positions for over a year. We've discussed those hirings.
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
Apple is happy as long as you buy their product (iPhone or iPod Touch) and not the competition. When you buy an iPod Touch (or an iPhone) your relation with Apple won't stop their. You will come back to pay for software updates, buy apps from the app store, and buy your music and video from iTunes. It is a win win for Apple.
Hypermark,
I have to agree with you on a lot of things, this being one of them. In some ways I see MacWorld as showing us something we found very hard to understand. We wanted new products, a new iPhone, a new Mac Mini, but Apple presented something else: life-usable software. iLife and iWork '09 didn't seem like big things but it appears to me like apple was consolidating itself as a "digital solutions provider."
When going to Apple products, you can choose to pick bits to use, like an iPod, and its great. Or you can choose to integrate them into Apple Technologies and you have something new. Everything compliments itself. At times, I'd say its hard to see apple's vision. I'd say right about now, however, that this is it. Bringing media into an integrated form. Much like the iPod integrated video, photos and music for enjoyment, the iPod and iPhone lines can be used as strong lifestyle tools for taking videos, recording a speech, or taking a snap, then taking them back to the mac for more detailed interaction.
I'm interested to see how far Apple goes with this integration, but I'd say video and camera is now the next step, be it iPod or iPhone
Apple is just playing games restricting features from early-adopters and building some ill-will in the process. :-(
Think walkie-talkie or CB radio on steroids, something that I blogged about in:
Right Here Now" services: weaving a real-time web around status
http://thenetworkgarden.com/weblog/2...nd-status.html
Check it out if interested.
Mark
Hey! yes, it will be great to integrate a camera-fun into the iPod touch!
See my previous posting here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=670976
also, if you can, post a reply in there, too.
I think this feature upgrade is imminent because, the new CoreLocation has the ability to provide geotagging for the pictures as well gps systems. So I think it is blends in seamlessly!
I would love to a dual-camera (one on front and another on the back) on either iPhone or iPod touch... i know it may too much to ask, but it could revolutionize the way one can communicate on these devices.... imagine video conferencing via the already existing feature in iChat ... coming to think of it... i feel its high time they did it alreay!
You know what iPod touch should have build-in, WiMAX!!
Imagine, we have Skype, WiFi and everything, just like an iPhone.
(Missing GPS, bluetooth and camera that I can live without while there are better alternative on GPS and camera.)
We can use iPod touch to make phone call anywhere using Skype (other VoIP be available in near future I guess) over WiFi today. If there is WiMAX, we can all drop the cell phone service. Besides VoIP, if you can surf web anywhere for a fair price (damn cellular providers stealing money from customers), isn't it the best?
That's I call a better world.
Heck, even 2 MP is a lot. The current iPhone optics resolve about 0.5 MP, if that. The added pixels just make the blur take up more room.
A new lens, please, with better coatings, and a larger sensor. Not more blurry pixels...
Apple should spend more time in their own help forums and less spying on new sites like AI for leaks.
It's not likely they spend much time here.
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people
Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
Well you can now make calls via Skype on the Touch very soon. But I'm with you- I keep my small formed crappy phone that's charged up for calls alone and own a 16G Touch for my portable entertainment. I don't have to worry about draining the battery on the Touch because I get all my calls on my little LG Chocolate. I have friends who tell me they have to constantly chargeit if they play music and watch videos, etc on their iPhone.
@PG4G, great articulation. I often find myself wondering the same; namely how much is Apple operating from a unified sense of Mac + iLife/iWork + iPhone/iPod touch + iTunes, and how much is separate but complimentary. Case in point is Apple TV. Does it converge with iPhone 3.0 platform this year or not?
The ATV needs Safari like a year ago. The iPhone and Touch both have Safari yet the internet ATV is not allowed? Apple's afraid we might rent a movie from somewhere else.
Hmm, hardly a new feature -- video recording works GREAT today on a 1st Gen. iPhone after you ... (break into it and mess around with a lot of complicated files)...
15 blurry frames a second with heavy shear and pixelation is hardly "GREAT" performance.
15 blurry frames a second with heavy shear and pixelation is hardly "GREAT" performance.
We all have different standards. Some people even have none.
I think the alarm clock is the next CE device to get a camera.
So it can check whether you actually get up
[B]Notice that Apple referred to the iPod line
No, but I did notice they referred to the "iPhone and iPod".
No reference to multiple/different iPods or a line at all.
We all have different standards. Some people even have none.
Or most cells phones have video cameras. iPhone owners have none.