Can you imagine how bad the customer service would be from someone so arrogant (his own words). Shame to because I thought one of these might be nice for my elderly mother's mac mini.
At least not enough to make me want to use a very expensive Apple display or some unknown brand display.
I'd rather just buy an adaptor to a port that is much more widely supported so that I have more options.
I agree - until we get to the point when everything is cable free does it really matter? Just hide it away behind the computer/screen.
Isnt the link that someone posted selling an adapter for about the same price as apple? I may be wrong as Im british so could have got the conversion wrong... If it was just to say that you can get HDMI now then thats ok, but I use the vga/MDP adapter I got from apple when I bought my MBP and have no probs (just wish it was connected to a better screen and not a 15" crapppy dell one that I found at work.
Hmmm... The only next LCD I need is a 20" 1680x1050 for my gaming PC (AMD 7750BE Dualcore with ATI Radeon 4830 512MB) ... Right now just on a 17" 1280x1024.
Oh... Need that LCD and a KVM switch for the keyboard/mouse when my MacBook is plugged in.
That 20" will probably be a Samsung or LG. TN panels are really not *that* bad, if it is a decent Samsung or LG one. Dell TNs though... I'm not too convinced about them.
Prices for LCDs continue to drive lower, so, saving my cash in the meantime. Went for a bang-for-buck PC for gaming and stuff, I expect good value out of an LCD too... When the time comes.
These "Apple-esque" models look interesting but I guess the real question is how much did they pay AppleInsider to feature them?
Viewsonic hasn't made anything but average monitors for years. Their last pro-quality display was the S-PVA panel VP2130b. Now all their models seem to be TN panels and at 6-bit colors those will never be color accurate. Glossiness aside, Apple does have IPS panels in their 24" models. Of course, most people don't care about display quality at all, as long as the size is big and the screen has vibrant (oversaturated) colors...
Viewsonic hasn't looked impressive for the past year or so. Like I said, I'm leaning towards a decent Samsung or LG for TN panels... I can't afford IPS thingys right now. Aesthetically for gaming, non-glossy with decent but not oversaturated, decent but not overblown contrast, 2ms to 5ms, that's what I am after. LED backlighting, wow, I don't think that will hit the mainstream until maybe the end of the year? A pity about all that mercury f*king up the environment.
... is a 30 inch LED Cinema Display, preferably by Apple, that also works with older Macs. Get moving, Apple!
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Not going to happen until LG or some other panel manufacturer pairs their panel with a LED backlight.
Sony has some 42" or larger TV models with LED backlighting.
Really, I don't know why Samsung, Sony or LG has come in with a 30" or 40"+ "super-HD" (2560x1600) monitor... Too "niche" an area catering just to "broadcast" and "pro photo" markets that otherwise have specialised 2K, 4K res displays and so on?
I mean, if you've got a RED or other 3K, 4K cameras, what monitors do they use to edit/post/etc on that?
Stewie: "I got these at Jack's Joke Shop in South Attleboro, Massachusetts. Remember, if it ain't funny, it ain't worth Jack."
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I wouldn't. My Viewsonic 24" was $230 and has a VESA mount should I decide to put it on an articluating arm.
Viewsonic displays seem to have pretty good viewing angles even on the lower end models. Viewing angles on low end Samsung models are quite poor. It's a small thing but I just really don't like the Viewsonic logo with the birds on it.
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Mini-DP adapters are pretty limited though. HDMI is only available 3rd party, Standard DP doesn't exist, and the VGA/DVI ones don't deem to work very well with the dual link being practically useless. No matter how good these or aren't, other than the $900 cinema display, they're the only game in town for Mini-DP. If nothing more, hopefully they inspire some more competition from more reputable companies.
The HDMI adaptor being 3rd party-only isn't a bad thing plus it's cheaper.
There are under 5 display models I've seen supporting standard displayport so while a loss, not a huge loss.
The Dual Link adaptor not working properly isn't good but again only affects a small amount of people as it's generally for screens with resolutions higher than 1920 x 1200.
On an average computer buying site, the list of display interfaces with number of models are as follows:
This means that the Apple VGA, DVI and 3rd party HDMI adaptors cover 460 models vs 4 models it's missing. It's missing more models counting dual-link monitors but still, that's pretty good coverage IMO.
Not being able to use 30" Apple displays reliably is a problem but this is a flaw with Apple's product, not an advantage to native Mini-DP.
I would agree though it would be nice to see more people supporting it natively. I doubt however that these displays are fierce enough competition that people would feel compelled to follow suit.
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If it was just to say that you can get HDMI now then thats ok, but I use the vga/MDP adapter I got from apple when I bought my MBP and have no probs (just wish it was connected to a better screen and not a 15" crapppy dell one that I found at work.
Yeah the link was about the availability of HDMI as Apple chose not to support it themselves. Apple's adaptors should work just fine on most displays.
I'd waited for 2 years for Apple to release a WORTHY professional replacement for the old 23". So, they gave us a glossy screened thing that needed yet another dongle to connect to DVI.
NO THANX APPLE.
I bought ViewSonic, too! A26" VP2650wb.
MATTE screen, color correct, 1920 x 1200. DVI, VGA, 4-port USB hub (unpowered... pfffft), VESA 100 mount AND the thing moves up and down several inches (WHAT a concept, Apple!)... plus, the whole display even pivots 90°! ... for around $600 (total).
Gee Apple, you can do better than 24" of eye-rippingly high gloss nastiness!
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for BluRay. DVI is not supported in BluRay.
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for Blu-Ray. DVI is not supported in Blu-Ray.
The rest of the industry has dropped DVI? Hell, the industry stills support VGA... take a look at 90% of Windows machines. Yes, many companies are ADDING HDMI to augment DVI and VGA. I have a 22" ViewSonic monitor that has all 3. But DVI certainly isn't going away in the near term.
If I'm not mistaken, HDMI doesn't support resolutions above Full-HD, 1920 x 1080. That leaves out nearly every monitor above 23". Certainly Apple's own 30" Cinema Display. DisplayPort covers Full-HD resolution and above, so that would be preferable to HDMI. HDMI really seems like more of an interim solution when you compare it to DisplayPort, but at this point they seem to be for different uses. Does DisplayPort support audio as does HDMI?.
I really could care less about watching Blu-ray disks on my MacBook Pro, since I have a 40" Full-HDTV and a Blu-ray player for that. The storage capacity of Blu-ray for archival purposes is another issue, though.
The best monitors I've personally laid eyes upon were CRT based displays that were anything but matte. I think if you read popular opinion today you'd assume that all great monitors were in matte finish and that simply isn't historically accurate.
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for BluRay. DVI is not supported in BluRay.
DVI isn't going anywhere for a while. That's not to say that Apple should have included DVI on their displays - they clearly don't care about selling to people who don't have Mini-DP ports and likewise those customers probably don't care about buying Apple's expensive displays.
What adaptor(s) is needed to connect MDP to a third party monitor like Samsung or ViewSonic?
No doubt that info is in this thread somewhere, but I'm on info overload. I've read this thread until my eyes begin to cross.
Thanx.
You just need a MiniDisplayPort to VGA or MiniDisplayPort to DVI adaptor from Apple, this enables your Mac Pro, MacBook Pro and Macbook with MiniDisplayPort to connect to all kinds of monitors.
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... is a 30 inch LED Cinema Display, preferably by Apple, that also works with older Macs. Get moving, Apple!
Not going to happen until LG or some other panel manufacturer pairs their panel with a LED backlight.
Can you imagine how bad the customer service would be from someone so arrogant (his own words). Shame to because I thought one of these might be nice for my elderly mother's mac mini.
Adaptors aren't hugely unattractive IMO.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/30/m...ilable-for-20/
At least not enough to make me want to use a very expensive Apple display or some unknown brand display.
I'd rather just buy an adaptor to a port that is much more widely supported so that I have more options.
I agree - until we get to the point when everything is cable free does it really matter? Just hide it away behind the computer/screen.
Isnt the link that someone posted selling an adapter for about the same price as apple? I may be wrong as Im british so could have got the conversion wrong... If it was just to say that you can get HDMI now then thats ok, but I use the vga/MDP adapter I got from apple when I bought my MBP and have no probs (just wish it was connected to a better screen and not a 15" crapppy dell one that I found at work.
Not going to happen until LG or some other panel manufacturer pairs their panel with a LED backlight.
They already have, but they're around $5 grand.
Oh... Need that LCD and a KVM switch for the keyboard/mouse when my MacBook is plugged in.
That 20" will probably be a Samsung or LG. TN panels are really not *that* bad, if it is a decent Samsung or LG one. Dell TNs though... I'm not too convinced about them.
Prices for LCDs continue to drive lower, so, saving my cash in the meantime. Went for a bang-for-buck PC for gaming and stuff, I expect good value out of an LCD too... When the time comes.
These "Apple-esque" models look interesting but I guess the real question is how much did they pay AppleInsider to feature them?
Viewsonic hasn't made anything but average monitors for years. Their last pro-quality display was the S-PVA panel VP2130b. Now all their models seem to be TN panels and at 6-bit colors those will never be color accurate. Glossiness aside, Apple does have IPS panels in their 24" models. Of course, most people don't care about display quality at all, as long as the size is big and the screen has vibrant (oversaturated) colors...
Viewsonic hasn't looked impressive for the past year or so. Like I said, I'm leaning towards a decent Samsung or LG for TN panels... I can't afford IPS thingys right now. Aesthetically for gaming, non-glossy with decent but not oversaturated, decent but not overblown contrast, 2ms to 5ms, that's what I am after. LED backlighting, wow, I don't think that will hit the mainstream until maybe the end of the year? A pity about all that mercury f*king up the environment.
... is a 30 inch LED Cinema Display, preferably by Apple, that also works with older Macs. Get moving, Apple!
Not going to happen until LG or some other panel manufacturer pairs their panel with a LED backlight.
Sony has some 42" or larger TV models with LED backlighting.
Really, I don't know why Samsung, Sony or LG has come in with a 30" or 40"+ "super-HD" (2560x1600) monitor... Too "niche" an area catering just to "broadcast" and "pro photo" markets that otherwise have specialised 2K, 4K res displays and so on?
I mean, if you've got a RED or other 3K, 4K cameras, what monitors do they use to edit/post/etc on that?
I wouldn't. My Viewsonic 24" was $230 and has a VESA mount should I decide to put it on an articluating arm.
Viewsonic displays seem to have pretty good viewing angles even on the lower end models. Viewing angles on low end Samsung models are quite poor. It's a small thing but I just really don't like the Viewsonic logo with the birds on it.
Mini-DP adapters are pretty limited though. HDMI is only available 3rd party, Standard DP doesn't exist, and the VGA/DVI ones don't deem to work very well with the dual link being practically useless. No matter how good these or aren't, other than the $900 cinema display, they're the only game in town for Mini-DP. If nothing more, hopefully they inspire some more competition from more reputable companies.
The HDMI adaptor being 3rd party-only isn't a bad thing plus it's cheaper.
There are under 5 display models I've seen supporting standard displayport so while a loss, not a huge loss.
The Dual Link adaptor not working properly isn't good but again only affects a small amount of people as it's generally for screens with resolutions higher than 1920 x 1200.
On an average computer buying site, the list of display interfaces with number of models are as follows:
Interfaces
D-Sub / VGA (HD-15) (257),DVI (170),HDMI (33),DisplayPort (3),Mini DisplayPort (1),
This means that the Apple VGA, DVI and 3rd party HDMI adaptors cover 460 models vs 4 models it's missing. It's missing more models counting dual-link monitors but still, that's pretty good coverage IMO.
Not being able to use 30" Apple displays reliably is a problem but this is a flaw with Apple's product, not an advantage to native Mini-DP.
I would agree though it would be nice to see more people supporting it natively. I doubt however that these displays are fierce enough competition that people would feel compelled to follow suit.
If it was just to say that you can get HDMI now then thats ok, but I use the vga/MDP adapter I got from apple when I bought my MBP and have no probs (just wish it was connected to a better screen and not a 15" crapppy dell one that I found at work.
Yeah the link was about the availability of HDMI as Apple chose not to support it themselves. Apple's adaptors should work just fine on most displays.
No kidding!
I'd waited for 2 years for Apple to release a WORTHY professional replacement for the old 23". So, they gave us a glossy screened thing that needed yet another dongle to connect to DVI.
NO THANX APPLE.
I bought ViewSonic, too! A26" VP2650wb.
MATTE screen, color correct, 1920 x 1200. DVI, VGA, 4-port USB hub (unpowered... pfffft), VESA 100 mount AND the thing moves up and down several inches (WHAT a concept, Apple!)... plus, the whole display even pivots 90°! ... for around $600 (total).
Gee Apple, you can do better than 24" of eye-rippingly high gloss nastiness!
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for BluRay. DVI is not supported in BluRay.
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for Blu-Ray. DVI is not supported in Blu-Ray.
The rest of the industry has dropped DVI? Hell, the industry stills support VGA... take a look at 90% of Windows machines. Yes, many companies are ADDING HDMI to augment DVI and VGA. I have a 22" ViewSonic monitor that has all 3. But DVI certainly isn't going away in the near term.
If I'm not mistaken, HDMI doesn't support resolutions above Full-HD, 1920 x 1080. That leaves out nearly every monitor above 23". Certainly Apple's own 30" Cinema Display. DisplayPort covers Full-HD resolution and above, so that would be preferable to HDMI. HDMI really seems like more of an interim solution when you compare it to DisplayPort, but at this point they seem to be for different uses. Does DisplayPort support audio as does HDMI?.
I really could care less about watching Blu-ray disks on my MacBook Pro, since I have a 40" Full-HDTV and a Blu-ray player for that.
Jack Bauer is a fictional character on a fictional television show.
Jack Campbell sells fictional products.
Those things are ugly as sin.
Matte != Professional.
The best monitors I've personally laid eyes upon were CRT based displays that were anything but matte. I think if you read popular opinion today you'd assume that all great monitors were in matte finish and that simply isn't historically accurate.
Apple didn't include a DVI connector because it's not HDCP and HDMI compatible. They should have dumped DVI along time ago as the rest of the industry has. They are trying to get the rest of their hardware albeit late, but ready for BluRay. DVI is not supported in BluRay.
HDCP is supported on DVI with some modifications:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/cables/HDCP_DVI.asp
DVI isn't going anywhere for a while. That's not to say that Apple should have included DVI on their displays - they clearly don't care about selling to people who don't have Mini-DP ports and likewise those customers probably don't care about buying Apple's expensive displays.
What adaptor(s) is needed to connect MDP to a third party monitor like Samsung or ViewSonic?
No doubt that info is in this thread somewhere, but I'm on info overload. I've read this thread until my eyes begin to cross.
Thanx.
I'm confused.
What adaptor(s) is needed to connect MDP to a third party monitor like Samsung or ViewSonic?
No doubt that info is in this thread somewhere, but I'm on info overload. I've read this thread until my eyes begin to cross.
Thanx.
You just need a MiniDisplayPort to VGA or MiniDisplayPort to DVI adaptor from Apple, this enables your Mac Pro, MacBook Pro and Macbook with MiniDisplayPort to connect to all kinds of monitors.
Wow forget about Jack in the Box
Jack Campbell is back! What a blast from the past.
Ok ..all is clear now.
Yep, smelled from the get go didnt it?
Why is there no mention of the REFRESH RATE?!
Cause it is not a CRT