I'm officially on record as HATING ALL of the brushed metal iApps, QuickTime player, iChat, etc.
I always hated that look and wish everything would have more of that gel "iLook".
Even better (to avoid a potential civil war amongst the Mac using community), how about Apple offering the ability to choose either the brushed metal look or the more standard, common Apple/OS X vibe in all the apps in question?
I could live with that.
I LOVE how the previous OS X calculator looked! Then they went and lamed it up with metal in Jaguar.
Me likes ice and plastic and gloss an transparency.
<strong>Yeah, that's the annnoying part, but it probably would have meant downloading a whole new (well, revised) app for each</strong>
hmmm... good point. plus, they may have itunes 3.5 et al. waiting in the wings, so why confuse the matter when the update will be out soon enough.
<strong>I like having the pinstripes in toolbars, etc. but ... very light gray wold do the trick too.</strong>
maybe i have developers to blame for it, too. i mean, putting 10 pt. lucida grande -- or smaller -- against a million lines is madness...
<strong>You know, i honestly forgot all about that at this point. While aesthetically I think it might look more clumsy, I wouldn't throw fits either. </strong>
okay, okay, maybe throwing "fits" is a bit harsh, but window borders were one of the selling point of going from system 7.x to system 8, remember? it feels like we're regressing for no other reason than aesthetics to me.
<strong>To me, it makes the system more forgiving and flexible, but obviously this means you can be viewing the same folder's contents in umpteen windows in that scenario. </strong>
well, i've been trained by ten years of the other way, and it made more sense to me the old way. maybe it's just me.
i also wish that developers would consistently adopt new gui features, like sheets and keyboard commands (like coomand-h and command-m). go through your apps and see how many do it right, and do it wrong. plus, aren't you supposed to have the "unsaved" dot in the close widget? adobe and macromedia still haven't figured out they can just use apple's convention, instead of sticking with their old workarounds.
<strong>... how about Apple offering the ability to choose either the brushed metal look or the more standard, common Apple/OS X vibe in all the apps in question?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I respect your dislike of the brushed metal look, but I would hate to see inconsistency. Either this way or that. No options for the GUI please. I think the Blue vs. Graphite Appearance in System Preferences is already an idea from the axes of evil.
The inconsistencies among the metal-skinned apps (iChat = recessed, iTunes = not) are because of how the apps are coded. The ones that all changed with the 10.2.3 update were programmed in Cocoa. You'll notice the others all run under 9 as well. Ie, they use Carbon.
rok: if you click on the Finder icon in the Dock to change to the Finder, you *WILL* get all your Finder windows to come forward at once. If you click on the Desktop, or a Finder window, you get only that thing you click on. All the apps work this way in MacOS X.
Well, iPhoto is a Cocoa app, but it doesn't use the metal .nib yet. It was the first iApp in Cocoa, and before they decided to make the metal .nib available to all in IB. and standardize it (and do a half-ass job codifying it).
[quote]]maybe i have developers to blame for it, too. i mean, putting 10 pt. lucida grande -- or smaller -- against a million lines is madness...<hr></blockquote>
Yeah, worst place to see the pinstripes is in placards along the edges of windows and in Adobe's tabs. You're right about that, but a lot of these mistakes are made because they are not correctly applied Aqua layouts or widgets. There really are some important changes to how one lays out Aqua apps as opposed to Classic ones -- it's not just applying a new theme.
[quote]okay, okay, maybe throwing "fits" is a bit harsh?<hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you were throwing fits. I was just using the term lightly, to bring a little levity about what we're talking about. In short, just to be silly. My apologies. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>The inconsistencies among the metal-skinned apps (iChat = recessed, iTunes = not) are because of how the apps are coded. The ones that all changed with the 10.2.3 update were programmed in Cocoa. You'll notice the others all run under 9 as well. Ie, they use Carbon.
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Carbon apps can take advantage of the new appearance as well, but apps like iTunes, etc., have custom window code and don't use the standard Brushed Metal setting available to developers.
<strong>rok: if you click on the Finder icon in the Dock to change to the Finder, you *WILL* get all your Finder windows to come forward at once. If you click on the Desktop, or a Finder window, you get only that thing you click on. All the apps work this way in MacOS X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
well, son of a gun... learn something new every day. thanks!
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I always hated that look and wish everything would have more of that gel "iLook".
Even better (to avoid a potential civil war amongst the Mac using community), how about Apple offering the ability to choose either the brushed metal look or the more standard, common Apple/OS X vibe in all the apps in question?
I could live with that.
I LOVE how the previous OS X calculator looked! Then they went and lamed it up with metal in Jaguar.
Me likes ice and plastic and gloss an transparency.
And I don't like the recessed look either, BTW.
<strong>Yeah, that's the annnoying part, but it probably would have meant downloading a whole new (well, revised) app for each</strong>
hmmm... good point. plus, they may have itunes 3.5 et al. waiting in the wings, so why confuse the matter when the update will be out soon enough.
<strong>I like having the pinstripes in toolbars, etc. but ... very light gray wold do the trick too.</strong>
maybe i have developers to blame for it, too. i mean, putting 10 pt. lucida grande -- or smaller -- against a million lines is madness...
<strong>You know, i honestly forgot all about that at this point. While aesthetically I think it might look more clumsy, I wouldn't throw fits either. </strong>
okay, okay, maybe throwing "fits" is a bit harsh, but window borders were one of the selling point of going from system 7.x to system 8, remember? it feels like we're regressing for no other reason than aesthetics to me.
<strong>To me, it makes the system more forgiving and flexible, but obviously this means you can be viewing the same folder's contents in umpteen windows in that scenario. </strong>
well, i've been trained by ten years of the other way, and it made more sense to me the old way. maybe it's just me.
i also wish that developers would consistently adopt new gui features, like sheets and keyboard commands (like coomand-h and command-m). go through your apps and see how many do it right, and do it wrong. plus, aren't you supposed to have the "unsaved" dot in the close widget? adobe and macromedia still haven't figured out they can just use apple's convention, instead of sticking with their old workarounds.
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<strong>... how about Apple offering the ability to choose either the brushed metal look or the more standard, common Apple/OS X vibe in all the apps in question?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I respect your dislike of the brushed metal look, but I would hate to see inconsistency. Either this way or that. No options for the GUI please. I think the Blue vs. Graphite Appearance in System Preferences is already an idea from the axes of evil.
rok: if you click on the Finder icon in the Dock to change to the Finder, you *WILL* get all your Finder windows to come forward at once. If you click on the Desktop, or a Finder window, you get only that thing you click on. All the apps work this way in MacOS X.
<strong>... is already an idea from the axes of evil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
MUHAHAHAHAA <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[quote]]maybe i have developers to blame for it, too. i mean, putting 10 pt. lucida grande -- or smaller -- against a million lines is madness...<hr></blockquote>
Yeah, worst place to see the pinstripes is in placards along the edges of windows and in Adobe's tabs. You're right about that, but a lot of these mistakes are made because they are not correctly applied Aqua layouts or widgets. There really are some important changes to how one lays out Aqua apps as opposed to Classic ones -- it's not just applying a new theme.
[quote]okay, okay, maybe throwing "fits" is a bit harsh?<hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you were throwing fits. I was just using the term lightly, to bring a little levity about what we're talking about. In short, just to be silly. My apologies. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>The inconsistencies among the metal-skinned apps (iChat = recessed, iTunes = not) are because of how the apps are coded. The ones that all changed with the 10.2.3 update were programmed in Cocoa. You'll notice the others all run under 9 as well. Ie, they use Carbon.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Carbon apps can take advantage of the new appearance as well, but apps like iTunes, etc., have custom window code and don't use the standard Brushed Metal setting available to developers.
<strong>rok: if you click on the Finder icon in the Dock to change to the Finder, you *WILL* get all your Finder windows to come forward at once. If you click on the Desktop, or a Finder window, you get only that thing you click on. All the apps work this way in MacOS X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
well, son of a gun... learn something new every day. thanks!