Microsoft ups cash limit, takes aim at MacBook Pros in new ad

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  • Reply 401 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cooleye View Post


    Mate, I'll take 3 Tata nanos for the 1 VW Golf. One for me, one for the misses and another for the mistress.



    Considering that this "Golf" has same engine, gearbox, springs and absorbers like Tata Nano (but in general less kilowatts, smaller boot, etc etc), you'd do well.



    And your white Tata Nano will definitely not develop cracks all over the body
  • Reply 402 of 505
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
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    Originally Posted by wraithofwonder View Post


    Nothing like this.



    Apple deals in a little hyperbole, Microsoft is all bullshit here



    Are you out of your mind? Apple repeats such mindless bullshit about Windows constantly. My system doesn't just randomly freeze up, I've never had a virus take over, and it's so stupid easy to maintain that I literally don't do anything other than turn the system on because of task scheduling.



    Actually, I would love to see each company push the envelope and completely go all out with this nonsense. I'd laugh my ass off if Apple copied these MS ads, but as someone is looking at the PC laptop it blue screens then catches on fire and burns the store down. Why not, seriously?



    Bottom line, just like axe body spray won't make women rape you, and drinking mountain dew won't make you an instant sky diver, listening to an Apple or Microsoft ad doesn't make you an informed consumer.
  • Reply 403 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by heavydevelopment View Post


    LOL and my Linux machine runs even faster with a smaller footprint. So?



    Yes there are plenty of PC smarties out there. But you have to admit that over time, without maintenance, a Windows OS will degrade in performance to the point of painfulness. It is the nature of the beast. You have to clean the registry periodically--which there is software that you can buy (more $$$) to do it--otherwise it is a painstaking and potentially fatal operation. You also have to defrag the hard drive. You can schedule this to run at night, but if something happens while it's defragging (ie power goes out) you potentially could hose your hard drive. There is diskeeper software (which the ms tool that ships with windows is the 'lite' version) that preemptively defrags the system on the fly, but that's $ too ($30 for home to be exact). Of course the best remedy is to periodically 'wipe' the system and start over. How long does that take every 6 mos to a year?



    For the record, I'm not so much a Mac Fanboi as I am a Windows Hater. Why? Windows could have been so, so, so much better, but MS decided to paint themselves into a corner following the architecture path they did. Vista is the grand result of following that path. It's 100% bloatware. Now MS is backtracking and figured out how to trim some of the fat off the Vista pig. With Windows 7 the pig may be skinnier and it may have some fine lipstick--but its still a pig.



    No, you don't have to clean registry often, or at all. Performance gain is very small and does influence mostly boot time. Having Windows booting a few seconds longer over few years of usage is really not a problem in real life, you know.



    Personally, I do clean registry once in a while - maybe once every year - because number of programs I will install and remove is enormous. I'm putting trials, demos, freeware, shareware stuff, games, apps, updates... but for cleaning, I'm using CCleaner. It is free, fast and works well.



    Power cut during defrag can corrupt some files, but then again, having power cut during any HDD activity can corrupt some file(s). If you are living with area with common power cuts, you should have UPS no matter what system you are using.
  • Reply 404 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Oh, I read it, but you are absolutely crazy if you think that Apple would entertain for a moment the addition of a half inch or more to their notebooks just to add a $200 tray-loading Blu-ray drive. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Apple sells the thinnest and lightest notebooks for their performance class. This is part of their working strategy, not because they don't know to make thicker laptops, which doesn't make any sense.



    Form over functionality.



    OK. Some people will go for that.
  • Reply 405 of 505
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Form over functionality.



    OK. Some people will go for that.



    Form is, in itself, a function. A notebook PC is a form that serves the function of being portable but require the use of more expensive yet slow components than desktops and with less expansion and configuration options. Yet we don't see people comparing a $1000 desktop to a $1000 notebook and claiming that it's foolish to ever buy a notebook when you get so much more from a desktop. Why people can't see that there are different machines for many different buyers for many different reasons. The socialist one-size-fits-all mentality when it comes to comparing Apple products to others is short-sided and always false. If a product fits your needs, then get it, if it doesn't, then find one that does.
  • Reply 406 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by gmcalpin View Post


    I think what Snookie meant was that people think they can see Blu-Ray quality (1920x1080 video) on a screen that only displays 1366x768 or even 1440x900.



    Considering resolution of DVD footage, you can see BR difference even on 1366*768 screen. It will not look 100%, but it will still look much better than DVD.
  • Reply 407 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    PC users must hate the I'm a Mac ads as they paint a very ambiguous picture that is patently not entirely true yet hard to disprove without going into booooring detail. They are comedic and simplistic and that is why they are successful. They help create an 'impression'. Lame as I think the PC ads are (non creative, full of holes, cheap cheap cheap), I am sure they will do their job very well. If they help sell more PC's they are successful. But if they tarnish the Apple brand by underpinning the perception that they are more expensive, they are even more successful. The danger is that they will cheapen the Windows / pc-maker 'brand' in which case the whole thing will play into Apple's hands. They certainly do seem to suggest that Apple is a superior product. The issue of TCO is a hard one to sell. People are VERY short sighted. Generally I think the aim of the campaign is to stem the tide of 'switchers'. I am not sure if it will work but I suspect the campaign will succeed at selling more laptops.



    I am surprised none of commercials is addressing desktops. I think it would be even easier job to hit on iMacs. But I guess maybe MS doesn't really consider iMacs serious competition...
  • Reply 408 of 505
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    I am surprised none of commercials is addressing desktops. I think it would be even easier job to hit on iMacs. But I guess maybe MS doesn't really consider iMacs serious competition...



    Any software Apple males is serious competition to them. Not so much their marketshare but their consumer profit. People who are deciding between a Mac PC and non-Mac PC are not weighing a cheap $400 PC running a basic version of Vista. They are more likely weighing between a higher-end machine that is running a higher-end version of Vista that costs the OEMs considerably more to buy. There is a reason why, sold in the US, why 1 out of 3 dollars spent goes to Apple despite their measly marketshare and have 70% of all consumer PC units that are over $1000.



    But the focus on notebooks seems to be more because consumers are buying many more notebooks than desktops so to focus on that group marginalizes their goal.
  • Reply 409 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    The MS ads do have a point, but they are preaching to their own built in audience, not actually procuring a new audience. There are plenty of PCs that are more than suitable for ones needs. Apple has a very limited selection of PC models to choose from. They are an over-grown boutique shop in many ways. You need to stop thinking that Apple should try to appeal to everyone's needs across the board and realize that they are trying to only appeal to the needs of customers that can make them money. What you are asking for is a lose-lose financial situation for Apple that doesn't benefit the average Mac consumer.



    Well... with their market share, would you not agree that MS really don't need - and almost don't have - any more audience to grow into; all they need is to keep their audience.



    They are also buying their time. They know with Vista's image, they can't really go after OSX... so they are playing on hardware right now. But once they have 7 out - and presuming they'll be able to save it from bad image Vista earned - I'm very sure by the end of a year we'll see ads comparing favourably Windows 7 to OSX. And then, there are still untouched waters of desktop PC vs. iMac.



    Even if products are not brand new, it is new Microsoft. One that was relying only on their market share is gone. One that is advertising to hell and back is here. New ads are not one time only, lets-spend-some-of-that-extra-money gig.
  • Reply 410 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by iBill View Post


    It doesn't prove the "same internals" at all.



    That myth has not been proven, by you or anybody else that keeps on repeatingit here.



    There is nothing to prove, since no one has proven that Mac internals are any better or any different from PC internals.



    Face it - we all know is that Macs are using same CPUs, same motherboard chipsets, same graphic chips and RAM modules, and their machines are being build by same factories that do build PCs as well.



    Considering all that, chance of internals being the same is much bigger that chance of still having different stuff in Macs.



    Everything else does seem to be a myth - created by some Mac users to justify pricing. Even Apple didn't bother to try to convince people their internals are better - they do speak about design and experience and all that, but they don't touch internals taboo. Would they if they had anything useful on their plates? I bet you they would.
  • Reply 411 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post


    If I'm not mistaken, Apple has a factory over seas make their boards... the same company that makes PC laptop boards (my original MBP had a Foxconn board). The chipsets are the same, the graphics cards are the same (mind you, there are two in this particular model, though any PC maker could do the same thing) processors are the same. Apple uses the same Hard Drives as other folks, the same RAM, the same Realtek compatible audio cards. Its the same... what more do I need to prove? Open up an Apple, and open up a PC, and take a look at the manufacturers of the chips inside. Tons of similarities. The differences are the EFI, and the OS. That's it. They take parts from other vendors and put them in their boxes, just like other computer companies, and its the same components!



    Any one else want to back me up here? iStink, usually you have something to say.



    I already backed you up
  • Reply 412 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post


    Mac PROS are for the PROFESSIONALS whose PROFESSIONS many times require A LOT of precision. Xeons are NOT i7s plus ECC. They have other differences, are made from noble silicon, etc...

    The Mac Pro's motherboard is also designed by Apple, even though it is MANUFACTURED by another company.

    Then there is also the high level of INTEGRATION of the hardware: it was designed (or chosen, for the parts which Apple doesn't have a hand in) to work in MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY POSSIBLE. It is not just a "high quality PC", it is a higher quality PC than a high quality PC!



    So what if YOUR PC only had 8 BSODs (highly unlikely, by the way...)? It doesn't mean everyone has such few BSODs...

    Then there is OS X, iLife, Design...



    In the end, Macs may be the most expensive of the premium-priced machines, but you get what you pay for.



    So because you cunningly used upper-case letters to emphasize some key words, suddenly what you are saying sound much more realistic.



    Not.



    This is the first time I've ever heard term "noble silicon". Fun!
  • Reply 413 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Physical removable media is going bye-bye, especially in light of many services, apps, features, being consolidated on singular devices, like the iPhone.



    Everything is done (and stored) online or on local networks.



    In terms of the App Store, AppleTV, (to some degree current products from Western Digital and others), the Macbook Air, the iPhone . . . Apple puts the user ahead of the wave. And the rest of the industry follows suit (that is, follows the innovation leader) at a later date.



    It doesn't matter what the average person has NOW. Apple is showing them and us what we'll all be using. I'm not going to invest in dying, bulky, unwieldy technology, which is the insert-a-disc-into-a-player paradigm. All that crap takes up way too much space as well.



    I no longer even have DVDs or even a DVD player. I enjoy everything online and stream HD to my LCD TV. And SAVE A TON OF $$$ to boot!



    Mate.



    Some of your own people keep telling you what you are saying does not have much sense, and you just keep on.



    You are one stubborn dude.
  • Reply 414 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Foxy View Post


    4. APPS APPS APPS. You get iMovie out of the box with a Mac which is above and beyond anything you'll find on a PC out of the box. I tried video editing on a PC and it was just a nightmare. Third party software is hit or miss (mostly miss), and I found Adobe Premiere to be a little rough around the edges, which is unfortunate because that's probably the best video editing software you'll find on a PC.



    You tried 3rd party software, and I'm using it frequently; works like a charm for me. Of course, having quad core desktop with 8GB of RAM does help a bit.



    Quote:

    5. Reliability. I don't even need to explain this.



    Because... it is hard to explain myths?
  • Reply 415 of 505
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    in most cases no

    apple uses top of the line stuff

    wintel on there high end may match apple

    but most others use the cheapest of the shelf junk . they are working on razor thin margins

    re fubished components abound in wintel machines .

    plus mac has machine tooled alum laptops now >>>> how green is that !!!



    there are some good non apple machines out there . its just that they cost more than a mac .

    dude ever wonder why us fan boys are so ....



    It is not green at all - it is aluminium grey.



    Rest of your post is just same all crap, always insisted upon, never ever proved.
  • Reply 416 of 505
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    There is nothing to prove, since no one has proven that Mac internals are any better or any different from PC internals.



    You keep trying to spin some yarn but you never make a point. Are you saying that Macs were completely different internals when they were PPC? Well, they weren't. The reason Windows didn't install on PPC was because MS choose not to support it. It was a different architecture but all computers use the same basic components: ROM, RAM, CPU, I/O and a mainboard to tie them together. Saying that these are somehow vastly different in what they accomplish is foolish. Linux can run on PPC, x86, ARM and others just fine so by your logic every computer is the same.



    Grabbing a few components that are the same or similar to claim that every other part must then be the same is equally as false. You also find the cheapest comparison you can find while ignoring more expensive comparisons as they easily shatter your already weak argument. Why you think that Apple can't make a computer in a way that satisfies certain users' needs and wants is beyond me. Perhaps you need to figure out what is wrong with you for not wanting one company within a free market to be free.
  • Reply 417 of 505
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post


    Actually, most HP Vista Machines with 4 GB of RAM ship with Vista Home Premium 64 bit. Problem becomes clear when customer tries to install a lot of software that doesn't run well on 64 bit Windows, I had to downgrade one last week for that reason for a customer.



    My F*KING Linksys wireless card I just bought doesn't have a 64bit Vista Driver. How f*ked up is that? Ah well, 32bit Vista for me for now. Gawd knows how I'm going to use Windows 7. Maybe I'll buy a crappy Dlink or something.



    Overall though, my PC desktop is humming along well. After the power supply blew because the guy at the shop said "Oh, it shouldn't be a problem until you upgrade the GPU. WRONG. Running FurMark for a several seconds. Boom! Sparks and the smell of smoke.



    In any case though, AMD+ATI = great bang for the buck. Intel+Nvidia = Microsoft you may have a case but I'd rather Microsoft blow a lot more of that cash on the AMD+ATI side. AMD Phenom or Athlon X2s at about half the price of Intels with say minor speed differences, and ATI's RV770 (4800 series) kicking ass, and the latest ATI 4770 at 40nm... While Nvidia struggles with rebranding a few-year-old stuff (GTS250, GT120/130 which are essentially 9-series Nvidias...



    Apple hires good people. No surprises when they recently hired ATI's former CTO.
  • Reply 418 of 505
    hiimamachiimamac Posts: 584member
    Does working in oh nevermind, but macs are the norm to some degree. Where the debate come up is avid vs fcp and a friend did all of no country for old men using fcp. Dope.



    Here's the kicker though, call video symphony in Burbank. Largest film school fir avid fcp but most machines if you tour them now, are pc machines. I asked Gregg C. about this and he said the servers are cheap and very powerful. In the heart if Burnsnk no doubt. Peace.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vachi View Post


    I recently saw a interview of BIll Gates on youtube i think it was a BBC interview

    Gates said windows has 10 times more software than on any other platform. But when go on to apple.com/downloads i find myself just going through pages of apps looking for ones to try, i like it i keep it i don't i delete it. and i only download the free ones, and still i have enough selection for hours of application fun. Now idk can i do this on my windows machine without restarting it hundreds of times after each install and than i have to remove these apps if i don't like them, its just not the same windows will slow down if i do this monthly ritual on it. And truthfully idk if i will find any apps that i want to use.



    Here this film maker is looking to purchase a machine, we are thinking for film editing and production.

    Now i do not know about the software on windows that can suffice her needs as a film editor,

    but being a observant person I can say this, I have been through the american school system and the Macs where always used for the creative productions such as film and sound and other editing,

    same now I am in a engineering school ( NYU Poly) and this school is hardcore windows, but my department is Digital Media and the only machines we have are Macs, all the software we have in the sound studio, to the film editing studio and the other rooms are on macs, our professors sometimes simply say, this application is only on the mac or the versions of it i will demonstrate is on the mac and the windows versions is limited or something like that, and the students without macs are left there bitting their nails,



    This ad is truly barking at the wrong tree, if there is one thing that Apple is the standard than film editing is it. and if there is one thing that apple is rich in applications its this. Film editing is a profession you are buying a platform for your tools, the specifications and so on of the machine are only there for the tools to work properly. and if the tools are on a Apple than thats what you buy.



    In this case its not about the machine its about the tools and the machines ability to run them.



  • Reply 419 of 505
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Form over functionality.

    OK. Some people will go for that.



    Yep they sure do!









  • Reply 420 of 505
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
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    Originally Posted by piot View Post


    Yep they sure do!



    I love the case I chose for my build:



    Isn't that sexy?
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