Apple still has, by far, the best QC in terms of customer opinions, support request and return rates. To judge them based on anecdotal evidence and opinions posted in support forums is nonsense.
Besides, my 24" iMac has a flawless LCD with no issues whatsoever...people should stop presuming that their problems are everyone else's problems...issues will ALWAYS happen even if you buy the most expensive article from the most renowned maker. This does NOT necessarily mean they are any worse than before, unless you REALLY show objective statistics to back that up.
Tell that to my three broken MacBook Pros. All three of them Apple admitted to causing the problems. All three being QC issues. True, they didn't replace the last one because it was out of warranty. (I guess I should have spent the extra 300 I didn't have on the Apple Care to have gotten a 4th MBP.) Also, the last MBP that I got had a defective battery. Apple did replace that too. iPod Nano, defective gloss coat (though I solved it myself with packing tape over the screen). I don't treat my Apple's poorly, they treat me badly instead!
Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine! I also would point you to this website: http://appledefects.com/ And I do realize that it hasn't been updated it two years. But still...
When we pay so much for the machines, they should work properly. I had three that all failed, and I see a huge line of laptops coming back to my local Apple Store for serious issues (I ask people what's wrong with their machines).
Please people, don't discount that there are people who have had serious issues with their devices. People do, and they have a right to say something about it!
(Admittedly, I have to say that for the most part, the Apple people in the store are friendly and helpful. They do seem to care about your plight. Thank goodness for that... I just wish they weren't overworked with defective products!)
Tell that to my three broken MacBook Pros. All three of them Apple admitted to causing the problems. All three being QC issues. True, they didn't replace the last one because it was out of warranty. (I guess I should have spent the extra 300 I didn't have on the Apple Care to have gotten a 4th MBP.) Also, the last MBP that I got had a defective battery. Apple did replace that too. iPod Nano, defective gloss coat (though I solved it myself with packing tape over the screen). I don't treat my Apple's poorly, they treat me badly instead!
Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine! I also would point you to this website: http://appledefects.com/ And I do realize that it hasn't been updated it two years. But still...
When we pay so much for the machines, they should work properly. I had three that all failed, and I see a huge line of laptops coming back to my local Apple Store for serious issues (I ask people what's wrong with their machines).
Please people, don't discount that there are people who have had serious issues with their devices. People do, and they have a right to say something about it!
(Admittedly, I have to say that for the most part, the Apple people in the store are friendly and helpful. They do seem to care about your plight. Thank goodness for that... I just wish they weren't overworked with defective products!)
I think you are reading too much into brlawyer's post but then concluding the same thing. He didn't say that Apple is flawless, just that they have the best QC, which for the big vendors seems to be true. But they are far from being without issues, no CE product is. Your issues of having multiple issues is anecdotal just as someone who states that they have been using Macs for years and have never had a problem. The fact is the there will be people with no issues and some with multiple, with most people falling somewhere in the middle with an occasional issue.
This assumes that just because you didn't have problems that no one had problems with their G4 Mac mini or Quadra 810av. At the same token most MacBook Pro owners are having no serious problems.
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Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine!
1 . . . is a valid cause to complain about your Mac's defects.
2 . . . is not sufficient nor even necessary for assuming that a significant proportion of people who have your model Mac has the same problems as you.
3 . . . usually makes for interesting reading in message posts.
4 . . . but provides near zero information on what problems you are likely to encounter if you purchase a Mac.
5 And certainly 10 iMacs of different production dates is in no way, not even when flying monkeys come out Dick Cheney's arse, a statistically meaningful sample size.
1 . . . is a valid cause to complain about your Mac's defects.
2 . . . is not sufficient nor even necessary for assuming that a significant proportion of people who have your model Mac has the same problems as you.
3 . . . usually makes for interesting reading in message posts.
4 . . . but provides near zero information on what problems you are likely to encounter if you purchase a Mac.
5 And certainly 10 iMacs of different production dates is in no way, not even when flying monkeys come out Dick Cheney's arse, a statistically meaningful sample size.
u sound like a machead... everything Apple is perfect... Hate to break the news to you.... It's not!
And this is the main reason I won't spend the money on Apple's "premium" (I meant designer though) computers anymore. When we pay as much as we do, we expect it to work decently well.
They used to have good QC, what happened? I've noticed a big change when we went to intel, but I don't know how much of that is really it.
The big change occurred once the iPhone got all the R&D etc. Macs got thrown under the bus.
Apple Computer Inc., specializing in Macs, became an electronics company specializing in phones, crap apps and "hobby" AppleTV's- Apple Inc.
I complain when I see fit. I see fit with some of the products they make.
Thanks
I am right there with you. I don't work for Microsoft (and I really don't like their products either!) I have some Apple products, and used to support them in the past.
My biggest problem are the people who are putting us down for complaining, when we do have every right to do so. I've complained to Apple themselves and do know of my issues. All I got was a "It will cost 400 dollars to replace the logic board on your laptop." even after they claimed fault. And I've known quite a few other people with issues too. I also have known people with no issues, and to them, I hope things stay that way!
I guess AppleInsider forums really aren't the place to say this kind of thing. Very unwelcoming crowd at times.
So I continue to complain, because I feel that I was wronged. I lost very hard earned money on that machine (starving artist comes to mind). And this is just me warning others that things are not as perfect as it may appear.
Back to the topic actually: I really do hope they fixed the ATI freezing issue for those iMac owners... Apple does owe them that much! But that should have been caught before the iMac left the prototype arena.
As for Bose? They too are just a label, or at least that's how I am reading that post.
I am right there with you. I don't work for Microsoft (and I really don't like their products either!) I have some Apple products, and used to support them in the past.
My biggest problem are the people who are putting us down for complaining, when we do have every right to do so. I've complained to Apple themselves and do know of my issues. All I got was a "It will cost 400 dollars to replace the logic board on your laptop." even after they claimed fault. And I've known quite a few other people with issues too. I also have known people with no issues, and to them, I hope things stay that way!
I guess AppleInsider forums really aren't the place to say this kind of thing. Very unwelcoming crowd at times.
So I continue to complain, because I feel that I was wronged. I lost very hard earned money on that machine (starving artist comes to mind). And this is just me warning others that things are not as perfect as it may appear.
Back to the topic actually: I really do hope they fixed the ATI freezing issue for those iMac owners... Apple does owe them that much! But that should have been caught before the iMac left the prototype arena.
As for Bose? They too are just a label, or at least that's how I am reading that post.
I do not put anybody down for complaining for a justified reason, but what you guys do is make it seem like Apple is the one and only company out there with issues. Try talking to Dell or the HP customer care people in India about any of these similar issues that their machines have much more frequently, and let me know how they treat you.
I am not getting on you for having problems and voicing your issues, only that you hold Apple to standards no company can achieve. Should Apple be held to higher standards? Absolutely. Should they be expected to be perfect? That is unreasonable, and it seems like that is what you are demanding of them, when these are still products designed and produced by human beings. So by their very nature, they will have flaws from time to time.
The true test is how well they deal with these problems, and while Apple is in no way perfect, they are in another world compared to their competitors.
I will certainly agree with that. Bose is middle of the road when it comes to audio. If you're looking for the Apple of the audio world, look to MartinLogan, Vienna Acoustics, or REL. They will all give you much better sounding equipment (at premium prices).
I've had a lot of Apple's products over the years, and have had a few problems, one serious, but these guys seem to have far more problems than anyone I've ever heard of.
Upon a rare occasion, someone like that pops up. I don't know what to make of it.
I will certainly agree with that. Bose is middle of the road when it comes to audio. If you're looking for the Apple of the audio world, look to MartinLogan, Vienna Acoustics, or REL. They will all give you much better sounding equipment (at premium prices).
Audio has been one of my major interests over the decades. I built a Harman Kardon Citation I and II when I was a kid in the early '60's.
I was a partner in an audio manufacturing company from 1974 to 1982, when we sold it to JBL.
Ah, those were the days.
I remember the first Bose 901's from when I was in my audio dealer in the early '70's. It was Audio Exchange. My salesman turned something on, and asked me if I could tell where the music was coming from. I turned around, but had a problem locating it. He pointed to the 901's hanging from the ceiling. I didn't like them from that moment on.
Audio has been one of my major interests over the decades. I built a Harman Kardon Citation I and II when I was a kid in the early '60's.
I was a partner in an audio manufacturing company from 1974 to 1982, when we sold it to JBL.
Ah, those were the days.
I remember the first Bose 901's from when I was in my audio dealer in the early '70's. It was Audio Exchange. My salesman turned something on, and asked me if I could tell where the music was coming from. I turned around, but had a problem locating it. He pointed to the 901's hanging from the ceiling. I didn't like them from that moment on.
Yeah, as much as Bose tries to say differently, they just aren't good sounding speakers. From their insistence to produce faux surround sound with just two speakers to their borderline ridiculous use of automatic equalizers, I can't stand them myself. Although I do have to applaud their marketing team for making America believe they are the best of the best, although it never has been hard to compete with the JVC and Samsung systems sitting next to them in Best Buy.
Yeah, as much as Bose tries to say differently, they just aren't good sounding speakers. From their insistence to produce faux surround sound with just two speakers to their borderline ridiculous use of automatic equalizers, I can't stand them myself. Although I do have to applaud their marketing team for making America believe they are the best of the best, although it never has been hard to compete with the JVC and Samsung systems sitting next to them in Best Buy.
I have to admit though, Amar Bose is brilliant. We may not like his stuff, but when his company was foundering early on, because the audio community was rejecting his stuff, he made a right turn, and the rest is legend.
I do not put anybody down for complaining for a justified reason, but what you guys do is make it seem like Apple is the one and only company out there with issues. Try talking to Dell or the HP customer care people in India about any of these similar issues that their machines have much more frequently, and let me know how they treat you.
I am not getting on you for having problems and voicing your issues, only that you hold Apple to standards no company can achieve. Should Apple be held to higher standards? Absolutely. Should they be expected to be perfect? That is unreasonable, and it seems like that is what you are demanding of them, when these are still products designed and produced by human beings. So by their very nature, they will have flaws from time to time.
The true test is how well they deal with these problems, and while Apple is in no way perfect, they are in another world compared to their competitors.
Ah, thank you! A nice civil post makes me happy
I have had a Dell that did have issues. A laptop with a Celeron chip. Within three days I found three dead pixels on the screen. Called Tech Support, talked to "Mike". They told me that it was "within tolerance". I don't believe that for a brand new laptop for a second! Tried taking it in to a store, they said "Nope! Its fine"... BS! Apple DID take back my MBPs (2x). Dell did not. Mind you that was the only issue minus the pathetic speed of the Celeron.
But my big difference is that I paid 400 dollars for the Dell laptop. I expected it to have issues, and was complacent with the dead pixels (after a while). I currently have an Acer Netbook. I love the thing. I paid 300 dollars for it. I do not expect it to last long, though it is so far out lasting my MacBook Pros. If it has an issue, then I'll be more complacent because "You get what you pay for."
As for the Apples, I paid $2000 for a laptop. It was supposed to be premium, and it did not last. Three did not last. That's where my issue is. I am fine with the issues I've had with the lower priced computers because "You get what you paid for" (though I'll still complain to the companies if they have immediate issues!) but same should hold true with an Apple. I should "Get what I paid for" with an Apple and I did not.
That's my two cents on the matter. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree with me on that particular matter. Apple does treat its customers much better than Dell and HP and the like. But that's part of the price. For someone like me, I can usually fix my own problems (I replaced the screen on the Dell on my own) and so tech support isn't usually needed unless its a severe harsh hardware problem.
Anyhow, I think we've talked about this long enough today! Thank you though for a civil response, I do enjoy that immensely!
I've seen this here before, and it's just as much nonsense now as it was then.
Apple, as most all other computer manufacturers, has had their computers made in china for a decade or so. That has nothing to do with anything other than having them cost less than they would have.
Dell, until recently, has made its own computers here, and in Europe. Their quality has never been anything to brag about.
And Dell's always been crap. Apple, however used to be rock solid.
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Apple is having no more problems now that in years past. Every time they have some problem I read this about them having more problems than before. And that's going back to the time when their computers were made here.
Maybe because there are more problems? It seems with every model there is some kind of manufacturing defect or a major hardware bug. Leopard shipped with more problems with any OS since 10.0 (which was beta 2.0 basically). They're slipping on focus.
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Apple still has, by far, the best QC in terms of customer opinions, support request and return rates. To judge them based on anecdotal evidence and opinions posted in support forums is nonsense.
Besides, my 24" iMac has a flawless LCD with no issues whatsoever...people should stop presuming that their problems are everyone else's problems...issues will ALWAYS happen even if you buy the most expensive article from the most renowned maker. This does NOT necessarily mean they are any worse than before, unless you REALLY show objective statistics to back that up.
Tell that to my three broken MacBook Pros. All three of them Apple admitted to causing the problems. All three being QC issues. True, they didn't replace the last one because it was out of warranty. (I guess I should have spent the extra 300 I didn't have on the Apple Care to have gotten a 4th MBP.) Also, the last MBP that I got had a defective battery. Apple did replace that too. iPod Nano, defective gloss coat (though I solved it myself with packing tape over the screen). I don't treat my Apple's poorly, they treat me badly instead!
Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine! I also would point you to this website: http://appledefects.com/ And I do realize that it hasn't been updated it two years. But still...
When we pay so much for the machines, they should work properly. I had three that all failed, and I see a huge line of laptops coming back to my local Apple Store for serious issues (I ask people what's wrong with their machines).
Please people, don't discount that there are people who have had serious issues with their devices. People do, and they have a right to say something about it!
(Admittedly, I have to say that for the most part, the Apple people in the store are friendly and helpful. They do seem to care about your plight. Thank goodness for that... I just wish they weren't overworked with defective products!)
Tell that to my three broken MacBook Pros. All three of them Apple admitted to causing the problems. All three being QC issues. True, they didn't replace the last one because it was out of warranty. (I guess I should have spent the extra 300 I didn't have on the Apple Care to have gotten a 4th MBP.) Also, the last MBP that I got had a defective battery. Apple did replace that too. iPod Nano, defective gloss coat (though I solved it myself with packing tape over the screen). I don't treat my Apple's poorly, they treat me badly instead!
Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine! I also would point you to this website: http://appledefects.com/ And I do realize that it hasn't been updated it two years. But still...
When we pay so much for the machines, they should work properly. I had three that all failed, and I see a huge line of laptops coming back to my local Apple Store for serious issues (I ask people what's wrong with their machines).
Please people, don't discount that there are people who have had serious issues with their devices. People do, and they have a right to say something about it!
(Admittedly, I have to say that for the most part, the Apple people in the store are friendly and helpful. They do seem to care about your plight. Thank goodness for that... I just wish they weren't overworked with defective products!)
I think you are reading too much into brlawyer's post but then concluding the same thing. He didn't say that Apple is flawless, just that they have the best QC, which for the big vendors seems to be true. But they are far from being without issues, no CE product is. Your issues of having multiple issues is anecdotal just as someone who states that they have been using Macs for years and have never had a problem. The fact is the there will be people with no issues and some with multiple, with most people falling somewhere in the middle with an occasional issue.
Yet, my G4 mac mini runs great, 24/7! My Quadra 810av still runs perfectly well too for a 12 year old machine!
1 . . . is a valid cause to complain about your Mac's defects.
2 . . . is not sufficient nor even necessary for assuming that a significant proportion of people who have your model Mac has the same problems as you.
3 . . . usually makes for interesting reading in message posts.
4 . . . but provides near zero information on what problems you are likely to encounter if you purchase a Mac.
5 And certainly 10 iMacs of different production dates is in no way, not even when flying monkeys come out Dick Cheney's arse, a statistically meaningful sample size.
Anecdotal evidence:
1 . . . is a valid cause to complain about your Mac's defects.
2 . . . is not sufficient nor even necessary for assuming that a significant proportion of people who have your model Mac has the same problems as you.
3 . . . usually makes for interesting reading in message posts.
4 . . . but provides near zero information on what problems you are likely to encounter if you purchase a Mac.
5 And certainly 10 iMacs of different production dates is in no way, not even when flying monkeys come out Dick Cheney's arse, a statistically meaningful sample size.
u sound like a machead... everything Apple is perfect... Hate to break the news to you.... It's not!
u sound like a machead... everything Apple is perfect... Hate to break the news to you.... It's not!
You sound like a Microsoft employee (or a 3rd grader, either one)... everything Apple is junk... Hate to break the news to you.... It's not!
And this is the main reason I won't spend the money on Apple's "premium" (I meant designer though) computers anymore. When we pay as much as we do, we expect it to work decently well.
They used to have good QC, what happened? I've noticed a big change when we went to intel, but I don't know how much of that is really it.
The big change occurred once the iPhone got all the R&D etc. Macs got thrown under the bus.
Apple Computer Inc., specializing in Macs, became an electronics company specializing in phones, crap apps and "hobby" AppleTV's- Apple Inc.
You sound like a Microsoft employee (or a 3rd grader, either one)... everything Apple is junk... Hate to break the news to you.... It's not!
I don't work for Microsoft.
I own tons of Apple products.
I complain when I see fit. I see fit with some of the products they make.
Thanks
The big change occurred once the iPhone got all the R&D etc. Macs got thrown under the bus.
Apple Computer Inc., specializing in Macs, became an electronics company specializing in phones, crap apps and "hobby" AppleTV's- Apple Inc.
Apple is just like any company now... they are no longer considered a premium product like BOSE.
They need to adjust their prices to reflect the new Apple!
Apple is just like any company now... they are no longer considered a premium product like BOSE.
They need to adjust their prices to reflect the new Apple!
Bose? That was a joke, right? Bose is real junk.
I don't work for Microsoft.
I own tons of Apple products.
I complain when I see fit. I see fit with some of the products they make.
Thanks
I am right there with you. I don't work for Microsoft (and I really don't like their products either!) I have some Apple products, and used to support them in the past.
My biggest problem are the people who are putting us down for complaining, when we do have every right to do so. I've complained to Apple themselves and do know of my issues. All I got was a "It will cost 400 dollars to replace the logic board on your laptop." even after they claimed fault. And I've known quite a few other people with issues too. I also have known people with no issues, and to them, I hope things stay that way!
I guess AppleInsider forums really aren't the place to say this kind of thing. Very unwelcoming crowd at times.
So I continue to complain, because I feel that I was wronged. I lost very hard earned money on that machine (starving artist comes to mind). And this is just me warning others that things are not as perfect as it may appear.
Back to the topic actually: I really do hope they fixed the ATI freezing issue for those iMac owners... Apple does owe them that much! But that should have been caught before the iMac left the prototype arena.
As for Bose? They too are just a label, or at least that's how I am reading that post.
I am right there with you. I don't work for Microsoft (and I really don't like their products either!) I have some Apple products, and used to support them in the past.
My biggest problem are the people who are putting us down for complaining, when we do have every right to do so. I've complained to Apple themselves and do know of my issues. All I got was a "It will cost 400 dollars to replace the logic board on your laptop." even after they claimed fault. And I've known quite a few other people with issues too. I also have known people with no issues, and to them, I hope things stay that way!
I guess AppleInsider forums really aren't the place to say this kind of thing. Very unwelcoming crowd at times.
So I continue to complain, because I feel that I was wronged. I lost very hard earned money on that machine (starving artist comes to mind). And this is just me warning others that things are not as perfect as it may appear.
Back to the topic actually: I really do hope they fixed the ATI freezing issue for those iMac owners... Apple does owe them that much! But that should have been caught before the iMac left the prototype arena.
As for Bose? They too are just a label, or at least that's how I am reading that post.
I do not put anybody down for complaining for a justified reason, but what you guys do is make it seem like Apple is the one and only company out there with issues. Try talking to Dell or the HP customer care people in India about any of these similar issues that their machines have much more frequently, and let me know how they treat you.
I am not getting on you for having problems and voicing your issues, only that you hold Apple to standards no company can achieve. Should Apple be held to higher standards? Absolutely. Should they be expected to be perfect? That is unreasonable, and it seems like that is what you are demanding of them, when these are still products designed and produced by human beings. So by their very nature, they will have flaws from time to time.
The true test is how well they deal with these problems, and while Apple is in no way perfect, they are in another world compared to their competitors.
Bose? That was a joke, right? Bose is real junk.
I will certainly agree with that. Bose is middle of the road when it comes to audio. If you're looking for the Apple of the audio world, look to MartinLogan, Vienna Acoustics, or REL. They will all give you much better sounding equipment (at premium prices).
Upon a rare occasion, someone like that pops up. I don't know what to make of it.
I will certainly agree with that. Bose is middle of the road when it comes to audio. If you're looking for the Apple of the audio world, look to MartinLogan, Vienna Acoustics, or REL. They will all give you much better sounding equipment (at premium prices).
Audio has been one of my major interests over the decades. I built a Harman Kardon Citation I and II when I was a kid in the early '60's.
I was a partner in an audio manufacturing company from 1974 to 1982, when we sold it to JBL.
Ah, those were the days.
I remember the first Bose 901's from when I was in my audio dealer in the early '70's. It was Audio Exchange. My salesman turned something on, and asked me if I could tell where the music was coming from. I turned around, but had a problem locating it. He pointed to the 901's hanging from the ceiling. I didn't like them from that moment on.
Audio has been one of my major interests over the decades. I built a Harman Kardon Citation I and II when I was a kid in the early '60's.
I was a partner in an audio manufacturing company from 1974 to 1982, when we sold it to JBL.
Ah, those were the days.
I remember the first Bose 901's from when I was in my audio dealer in the early '70's. It was Audio Exchange. My salesman turned something on, and asked me if I could tell where the music was coming from. I turned around, but had a problem locating it. He pointed to the 901's hanging from the ceiling. I didn't like them from that moment on.
Yeah, as much as Bose tries to say differently, they just aren't good sounding speakers. From their insistence to produce faux surround sound with just two speakers to their borderline ridiculous use of automatic equalizers, I can't stand them myself. Although I do have to applaud their marketing team for making America believe they are the best of the best, although it never has been hard to compete with the JVC and Samsung systems sitting next to them in Best Buy.
Yeah, as much as Bose tries to say differently, they just aren't good sounding speakers. From their insistence to produce faux surround sound with just two speakers to their borderline ridiculous use of automatic equalizers, I can't stand them myself. Although I do have to applaud their marketing team for making America believe they are the best of the best, although it never has been hard to compete with the JVC and Samsung systems sitting next to them in Best Buy.
I have to admit though, Amar Bose is brilliant. We may not like his stuff, but when his company was foundering early on, because the audio community was rejecting his stuff, he made a right turn, and the rest is legend.
I do not put anybody down for complaining for a justified reason, but what you guys do is make it seem like Apple is the one and only company out there with issues. Try talking to Dell or the HP customer care people in India about any of these similar issues that their machines have much more frequently, and let me know how they treat you.
I am not getting on you for having problems and voicing your issues, only that you hold Apple to standards no company can achieve. Should Apple be held to higher standards? Absolutely. Should they be expected to be perfect? That is unreasonable, and it seems like that is what you are demanding of them, when these are still products designed and produced by human beings. So by their very nature, they will have flaws from time to time.
The true test is how well they deal with these problems, and while Apple is in no way perfect, they are in another world compared to their competitors.
Ah, thank you! A nice civil post makes me happy
I have had a Dell that did have issues. A laptop with a Celeron chip. Within three days I found three dead pixels on the screen. Called Tech Support, talked to "Mike". They told me that it was "within tolerance". I don't believe that for a brand new laptop for a second! Tried taking it in to a store, they said "Nope! Its fine"... BS! Apple DID take back my MBPs (2x). Dell did not. Mind you that was the only issue minus the pathetic speed of the Celeron.
But my big difference is that I paid 400 dollars for the Dell laptop. I expected it to have issues, and was complacent with the dead pixels (after a while). I currently have an Acer Netbook. I love the thing. I paid 300 dollars for it. I do not expect it to last long, though it is so far out lasting my MacBook Pros. If it has an issue, then I'll be more complacent because "You get what you pay for."
As for the Apples, I paid $2000 for a laptop. It was supposed to be premium, and it did not last. Three did not last. That's where my issue is. I am fine with the issues I've had with the lower priced computers because "You get what you paid for" (though I'll still complain to the companies if they have immediate issues!) but same should hold true with an Apple. I should "Get what I paid for" with an Apple and I did not.
That's my two cents on the matter. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree with me on that particular matter. Apple does treat its customers much better than Dell and HP and the like. But that's part of the price. For someone like me, I can usually fix my own problems (I replaced the screen on the Dell on my own) and so tech support isn't usually needed unless its a severe harsh hardware problem.
Anyhow, I think we've talked about this long enough today! Thank you though for a civil response, I do enjoy that immensely!
I've seen this here before, and it's just as much nonsense now as it was then.
Apple, as most all other computer manufacturers, has had their computers made in china for a decade or so. That has nothing to do with anything other than having them cost less than they would have.
Dell, until recently, has made its own computers here, and in Europe. Their quality has never been anything to brag about.
And Dell's always been crap. Apple, however used to be rock solid.
Apple is having no more problems now that in years past. Every time they have some problem I read this about them having more problems than before. And that's going back to the time when their computers were made here.
Maybe because there are more problems? It seems with every model there is some kind of manufacturing defect or a major hardware bug. Leopard shipped with more problems with any OS since 10.0 (which was beta 2.0 basically). They're slipping on focus.
I did with Huey Pro and and it sucked more.
Most likely user error.