Briefly: Hazmat scare at Apple; Mac OS X 10.5.7; iPhone 3.0 beta 5

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  • Reply 21 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Fast Fred 1 View Post


    Hey I just got my $250.00 Stimulus Check.



    Now what? snow....iphone.....snow.....iphone......snow...... iphone....snow ......iphone....snow......iphone......gee.....



    Save it and then get an iPhone this summer. What do you mean by 'snow'? What that your envelope in the Apple cafeteria?
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  • Reply 22 of 45
    buzdotsbuzdots Posts: 452member
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    ...What do you mean by 'snow'?...



    Snow................. Leopard









    yeah, that's it!





    maybe they let the cat outta the bag!!!!!!!!
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  • Reply 23 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Snow................. Leopard



    HAHA I didn't even think of Snow Leopard. Never even crossed my mind. I skiing trip did cross my mind, though. Perhaps I need some rest.
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  • Reply 24 of 45
    italiankiditaliankid Posts: 279member
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    Stop yer jibber-jabba..... Microsoft should have released a stable OS before any of its updates and SP's. There will always be bugs and patches to fix them.... in any OS.



    you sound sooo silly..."Apple why are you bothering to fix Leopard, when Snow Leopard will be out soon???" um because Apple is committed to a good customer experience?? Honestly....just stop posting, it's embarrassing.



    I never mentioned Microsoft. Stop comparing the two.



    My post was about Leopard 10.5.x. Lets worry about Apple and not Microsoft for once.
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  • Reply 25 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    I never mentioned Microsoft. Stop comparing the two.



    My post was about Leopard 10.5.x. Lets worry about Apple and not Microsoft for once.



    Okay, let's due that. So why should 10.5.2 be more stable than 10.5.7? Why will 10.5.7 not be released until this Fall when the beta updates are coming so often now?
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  • Reply 26 of 45
    italiankiditaliankid Posts: 279member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Okay, let's due that. So why should 10.5.2 be more stable than 10.5.7? Why will 10.5.7 not be released until this Fall when the beta updates are coming so often now?



    I was kidding about the fall date... 10.5.7 has had over 16 betas out. Far more than any other 10.5.x releases. People need the updates for drivers etc etc and yet Apple is taking their time releasing it. IMO why make an OS rock solid for the duration of 3 mths before 75% of the customers who use Intel upgrade to Snow Leopard? Apple should have taken their time in the past to making the OS more stable and more robust when it was 10.5.2, 10.5.3 etc etc... This issues should have been addressed earlier on by better detection.



    If you look at 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 there are over 200+ fixes! That's a lot.



    Instead we will enjoy a more stable OS at the end of its life instead of during its life cycle.
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  • Reply 27 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by italiankid View Post


    I was kidding about the fall date... 10.5.7 has had over 16 betas out. Far more than any other 10.5.x releases. People need the updates for drivers etc etc and yet Apple is taking their time releasing it. IMO why make an OS rock solid for the duration of 3 mths before 75% of the customers who use Intel upgrade to Snow Leopard? Apple should have taken their time in the past to making the OS more stable and more robust when it was 10.5.2, 10.5.3 etc etc... This issues should have been addressed earlier on by better detection.



    If you look at 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 there are over 200+ fixes! That's a lot.



    Instead we will enjoy a more stable OS at the end of its life instead of during its life cycle.



    I agree that waiting for a driver update for months is ridiculous, though Apple will release firmware revisions as stand alone updates if the need is great enough. It is unusual to have this many betas for a point update and wait this long to release it, but rest assured that the next point update will also have hundreds of issues to resolve. They cold keep refining Leopard indefinitely. I just hope they keep update Leopard at least once after SL is released as many of the higher-end PPC Macs will only just hitting their 3 year mark at that time.
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  • Reply 28 of 45
    italiankiditaliankid Posts: 279member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I agree that waiting for a driver update for months is ridiculous, though Apple will release firmware revisions as stand alone updates if the need is great enough. It is unusual to have this many betas for a point update and wait this long to release it, but rest assured that the next point update will also have hundreds of issues to resolve. They cold keep refining Leopard indefinitely. I just hope they keep update Leopard at least once after SL is released as many of the higher-end PPC Macs will only just hitting their 3 year mark at that time.



    I agree with you...



    They are making 10.5.7 sound like the next OS lol



    They should have 16 betas or more for 10.6 not for 10.5.7 hehe
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  • Reply 29 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    I agree with you...



    They are making 10.5.7 sound like the next OS lol



    They should have 16 betas or more for 10.6 not for 10.5.7 hehe



    I don't think they are making it sound like anything other than a point update. The teams working on these updates are much smaller than the teams trying to get the very complex SL up and running. They don't even a 64-bit kernel for all the Macs yet and I don't think Grand Central or OpenCL has been introduced yet, either. That is very difficult stuff, these are just tweaks in comparison. With the iPhone and SL arriving this year maybe they are really trying extra hard to perfect this update so they move some of that team over to the iPhone 3.0 and SL teams. That isn't such a bad thing.
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  • Reply 30 of 45
    akf2000akf2000 Posts: 223member
    AI - the Store menu in iPhone 3.0 Beta 5 is there now, just noticed it. It has 'view account' and 'sign out' buttons.
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  • Reply 31 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    AI - the Store menu in iPhone 3.0 Beta 5 is there now, just noticed it. It has 'view account' and 'sign out' buttons.



    Their portal is still a work in progress. I think it's HTML without the CSS.
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  • Reply 32 of 45
    bslaghtbslaght Posts: 40member
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    Their portal is still a work in progress. I think it's HTML without the CSS.



    I have beta 4 still and can confirm this was already in that version. Hope to put beta 5 on tonight.
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  • Reply 33 of 45
    pbpb Posts: 4,255member
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    The teams working on these updates are much smaller than the teams trying to get the very complex SL up and running. They don't even a 64-bit kernel for all the Macs yet and I don't think Grand Central or OpenCL has been introduced yet, either. That is very difficult stuff, these are just tweaks in comparison.



    Hm, this makes me wonder if SL will be ready for this autumn. I thought they would have been there (i.e. operational Grand Central and OpenCL) a few months ago already.
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  • Reply 34 of 45
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Hm, this makes me wonder if SL will be ready for this autumn. I thought they would have been there (i.e. operational Grand Central and OpenCL) a few months ago already.



    Maybe it's there and since it's low-level coding there is no easy way to test for it. The comparisons I've done have me at about 10% faster on SL using the popular benchmarking apps, but they are far from being the final say on performance.



    If it's already implemented I hope someone posts info on it here.
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  • Reply 35 of 45
    pbpb Posts: 4,255member
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    Maybe it's there and since it's low-level coding there is no easy way to test for it.



    Yes, people often seem to not well realize how deep are such changes. S. Jobs' anouncement that SL would be ready in about one year (i.e. this summer) makes you wonder if he is one of them or not.



    On the other hand, I read that Windows 7 will be probably ready by this autumn, although this does not seem to be official. Apparently MS is hard trying to steal Apple's thunder but I am not sure if Apple really cares at this point. Personally I would prefer a properly working OS than a thunderous one that will wipe my hard drive while passing by.



    But the hard truth is this. Unitl now, Apple offered no demo of the new OS. Anyone would guess is that this is going to happen during the upcoming WWDC. For me this translates to probably no release before the end of the year.
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  • Reply 36 of 45
    italiankiditaliankid Posts: 279member
    it's Friday and no 10.5.7 as of yet.



    Maybe Monday? LOL HAHAHAHA
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  • Reply 37 of 45
    stormchildstormchild Posts: 104member
    "Mysterious white powder in an envelope" indeed. They only evacuated the people who weren't invited to the "Snow" Leopard pre-party.
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  • Reply 38 of 45
    stormchildstormchild Posts: 104member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by italiankid View Post


    RUMOR: 10.5.7 should be out after Snow Leopard...



    IMO Apple is making 10.5.7 perfect for what? All of three months before people update to SNOW?



    Apple should have made the fixes earlier in on the OS and make minor changes as the updates come to an end.



    The OS should have been more flawless at 10.5.2 and not 10.5.7.



    I understand its for the people who don't want to update to SNOW, but for the most part, most people will update and it would have been nice to enjoy and more stable OS from Apple earlier on!



    You're about as sharp as a marble, eh? Maybe you should just practise bouncing this ball for awhile and see how that goes.
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  • Reply 39 of 45
    justflybobjustflybob Posts: 1,337member
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    Originally Posted by akf2000 View Post


    Anything you notice about b5? snappier?



    Oh God. Not the "snappier" thing again!
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  • Reply 40 of 45
    eluardeluard Posts: 319member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by italiankid View Post


    I was kidding about the fall date... 10.5.7 has had over 16 betas out. Far more than any other 10.5.x releases. People need the updates for drivers etc etc and yet Apple is taking their time releasing it. IMO why make an OS rock solid for the duration of 3 mths before 75% of the customers who use Intel upgrade to Snow Leopard? Apple should have taken their time in the past to making the OS more stable and more robust when it was 10.5.2, 10.5.3 etc etc... This issues should have been addressed earlier on by better detection.



    If you look at 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 there are over 200+ fixes! That's a lot.



    Instead we will enjoy a more stable OS at the end of its life instead of during its life cycle.



    Not everyone is reckless enough to jump to a new OS update at the point zero release. So leopard will still have plenty of users when the lovers of the bleeding edge are running SL through its initial fraught months. And that is how it should be: stable mature releases for the risk averse and unstable, incomplete releases for those who can afford the time.



    Friday has come and gone and another rumor bites the dust. Looks like it will be next Monday or Tuesday before we have .7. I have never looked forward to a point release as much as this one. There are some serious networking issues in 10.5.6 that I will be happy to see fixed.
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