your info is old. Today's macs can be upgraded with zero or a couple of simple screws. There is no science to this and it doesn't violate any warranties. Using windows is always an issue. That is why companies have armies of it personnel, because stuff is always breaking down. Same thing happens in the household (more, actually) with the exception that one has to deal with 1-2 computers instead of 20-100. The situation i always see is that either the person is computer savvy and spends a ridiculous amount of time doing maintenance, or the person is not savvy and the computer is overrun with spyware, fragmented drives, broken registry, etc, etc.
Macs are actually way cheaper than windows (no matter how much i say this people don't seem to understand it) if you are a person who values your time and peace of mind. It is the same as buying a ford or a bmw: Sure both have 4 wheels and move but oh my god there is a difference. Next time you think about a purchase do as intelligent people do and consider the overall package you are getting for your dollar and don't do as the average joe who only considers a list of features: How many ram, how many gbytes, or any other raw number.
Right! Show us how much iLife rocks (especially iPhoto), or show what the pro apps can do. A quick demo of Time Machine (w/ the same narrator used in the iPhone commercials) could get a lot more people to think twice before buying another PC.
I'm thinking the same. This existing form of Mac ads - fresh and new when released - is actually becoming bottleneck nowadays. There is only that much you can show in such a limited, uniformed form - and Apple has already shown it all.
They need to reinvent themselves marketing wise, and for a change start showing what Mac can (instead of making fun with competition). Pricey as they are, Macs have things working for them - iLife for home users, Aperture, Final Cut...
There's surely truth in this. It's also true, that Apple hardware stands easily at least 5 major releases of native operating system. And even the meaning of "stands" in Apple's world differs from that in IBM clones' world.
Upgrade is tough work, yet feasible.
Many people think some of those "major" releases are nothing more than glorified service packs, though... \
Right! Show us how much iLife rocks (especially iPhoto), or show what the pro apps can do. A quick demo of Time Machine (w/ the same narrator used in the iPhone commercials) could get a lot more people to think twice before buying another PC.
Exactly. None of the scenarios in the adverts applies to me (I run free anti-virus, I don't get viruses, my PC rarely freezes, I build them myself so I am my own support etc etc). So I want Apple to tell me why I should spend a considerable chunk of money on a Mac, which it has yet to do.
Many people think some of those "major" releases are nothing more than glorified service packs, though... \
The way from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X Tiger, for instance, compares well enough to that from NT4 to XP. Apple know how to glorify service packs, I dare say.
It's just a pity they go about it in the same over-used way. They need a fresh new message .....
You know a few weeks back, when they released the 'legal copy' ad, I might have just agreed with you. However these latest three Getamac ads seem to be a return to form.
Why do they need a "fresh new message", many companies push the same message for years and years.
Apple has a big advantage with the Getamac campaign. For a new ad to work or at least get it's message across ... it only has to be funny and entertaining. Compare that to Microsoft's "Laptop Hunters". Even the most ardent PC nut is going to get bored when yet another grinning "shopper" runs around Fry's and ends up with an HP that is nearly what they asked for. They are fairly light hearted ads but there's no surprise and little humour.
As I said, a return to form for GetaMac.... and in Megan's last line a brilliant put down of ALL of the "I'm a PC" ads. She is not a number .... she is not a PC... she's a Megan!
This seems like you are for PCs more then Macs, so why are you an Appleinsider Mod?
I prefer Macs but these ads aren't really answering the point being made by the Microsoft ads, which is that Apple don't give you enough choice. Their statement about buying a machine without headaches is not entirely valid as not all PCs have problems and not all Macs are trouble-free.
It's a variable. What is not a variable is that Apple's cheapest 15" laptop is just shy of $2000 and only comes in glossy.
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By the way I just bought a Mac for $1,400 and it is every bit worth that amount for no PC headaches, extra software charges.
Using that argument alone, you could justify any price. As I say, not all PCs have problems and I've known people who spent more on a Mac and have had to return it to the store multiple times for broken hardware parts - magsafe, 3 or more batteries, bluetooth chips, hard drive failure.
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Originally Posted by RussellSakay
The New Macbooks are totally upgradable and you run Windows XP because Vista is a total piece of shit.
I run XP mainly because it only takes up 2GB of space on the small Bootcamp partition unlike Vista and in fact current versions of OS X. I haven't used Vista enough to make a firm judgement on it but XP works fine.
The 13" and 15" laptops are easily upgraded. The Mini can be upgraded but it could be easier. You can't really change the HDD in the iMac. The Mac Pro is ok but finding compatible upgrades for PCI cards and graphics cards sort of mean it's pointless being the size it is and the starting price for Apple's only proper desktop is ridiculously high now.
Yes Macs offer a better computing experience in general but that doesn't mean it's ok to just accept whatever they throw out. When their cheapest quad core is 4 times the price of a PC quad core then the reply about no viruses wears a bit thin.
If someone walks into a store with a budget of say $800, Apple's only option is a Mini without a screen. If it doesn't suit then Apple are out, period. If that person buys a PC, there's no automatic guarantee it will be bad and they have a massive range of options to choose from.
I prefer Macs but these ads aren't really answering the point being made by the Microsoft ads, which is that Apple don't give you enough choice. Their statement about buying a machine without headaches is not entirely valid as not all PCs have problems and not all Macs are trouble-free.
It's a variable. What is not a variable is that Apple's cheapest 15" laptop is just shy of $2000 and only comes in glossy.
Using that argument alone, you could justify any price. As I say, not all PCs have problems and I've known people who spent more on a Mac and have had to return it to the store multiple times for broken hardware parts - magsafe, 3 or more batteries, bluetooth chips, hard drive failure.
I run XP mainly because it only takes up 2GB of space on the small Bootcamp partition unlike Vista and in fact current versions of OS X. I haven't used Vista enough to make a firm judgement on it but XP works fine.
The 13" and 15" laptops are easily upgraded. The Mini can be upgraded but it could be easier. You can't really change the HDD in the iMac. The Mac Pro is ok but finding compatible upgrades for PCI cards and graphics cards sort of mean it's pointless being the size it is and the starting price for Apple's only proper desktop is ridiculously high now.
Yes Macs offer a better computing experience in general but that doesn't mean it's ok to just accept whatever they throw out. When their cheapest quad core is 4 times the price of a PC quad core then the reply about no viruses wears a bit thin.
If someone walks into a store with a budget of say $800, Apple's only option is a Mini without a screen. If it doesn't suit then Apple are out, period. If that person buys a PC, there's no automatic guarantee it will be bad and they have a massive range of options to choose from.
PS I like blonde Lauren better than Megan
Nope, it is not OK to just accept whatever apple throws at us. But when the alternative is Windows my options become limited to either a mac or a mac.
But, I'd like to see iPhone-style commercials for Macs, where they show you what it can actually do and the software that comes with it. That's where Macs excel.
Nope, it is not OK to just accept whatever apple throws at us. But when the alternative is Windows my options become limited to either a mac or a mac.
Windows is very much an option, but if you choose to ignore it that leaves you with picking between a Mac or a Mac. At the end of the day, that's your choice, and if you want to deliberately castrate your selection of choices, then who are we to stop you?!
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your info is old. Today's macs can be upgraded with zero or a couple of simple screws. There is no science to this and it doesn't violate any warranties. Using windows is always an issue. That is why companies have armies of it personnel, because stuff is always breaking down. Same thing happens in the household (more, actually) with the exception that one has to deal with 1-2 computers instead of 20-100. The situation i always see is that either the person is computer savvy and spends a ridiculous amount of time doing maintenance, or the person is not savvy and the computer is overrun with spyware, fragmented drives, broken registry, etc, etc.
Macs are actually way cheaper than windows (no matter how much i say this people don't seem to understand it) if you are a person who values your time and peace of mind. It is the same as buying a ford or a bmw: Sure both have 4 wheels and move but oh my god there is a difference. Next time you think about a purchase do as intelligent people do and consider the overall package you are getting for your dollar and don't do as the average joe who only considers a list of features: How many ram, how many gbytes, or any other raw number.
you go boy!!!
Right! Show us how much iLife rocks (especially iPhoto), or show what the pro apps can do. A quick demo of Time Machine (w/ the same narrator used in the iPhone commercials) could get a lot more people to think twice before buying another PC.
I'm thinking the same. This existing form of Mac ads - fresh and new when released - is actually becoming bottleneck nowadays. There is only that much you can show in such a limited, uniformed form - and Apple has already shown it all.
They need to reinvent themselves marketing wise, and for a change start showing what Mac can (instead of making fun with competition). Pricey as they are, Macs have things working for them - iLife for home users, Aperture, Final Cut...
There's surely truth in this. It's also true, that Apple hardware stands easily at least 5 major releases of native operating system. And even the meaning of "stands" in Apple's world differs from that in IBM clones' world.
Upgrade is tough work, yet feasible.
Many people think some of those "major" releases are nothing more than glorified service packs, though...
The New Macbooks are totally upgradable and you run Windows XP because Vista is a total piece of shit.
And your relevant opinion is based on..?
Right! Show us how much iLife rocks (especially iPhoto), or show what the pro apps can do. A quick demo of Time Machine (w/ the same narrator used in the iPhone commercials) could get a lot more people to think twice before buying another PC.
Exactly. None of the scenarios in the adverts applies to me (I run free anti-virus, I don't get viruses, my PC rarely freezes, I build them myself so I am my own support etc etc). So I want Apple to tell me why I should spend a considerable chunk of money on a Mac, which it has yet to do.
Many people think some of those "major" releases are nothing more than glorified service packs, though...
The way from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X Tiger, for instance, compares well enough to that from NT4 to XP. Apple know how to glorify service packs, I dare say.
It's just a pity they go about it in the same over-used way. They need a fresh new message .....
You know a few weeks back, when they released the 'legal copy' ad, I might have just agreed with you. However these latest three Getamac ads seem to be a return to form.
Why do they need a "fresh new message", many companies push the same message for years and years.
Apple has a big advantage with the Getamac campaign. For a new ad to work or at least get it's message across ... it only has to be funny and entertaining. Compare that to Microsoft's "Laptop Hunters". Even the most ardent PC nut is going to get bored when yet another grinning "shopper" runs around Fry's and ends up with an HP that is nearly what they asked for. They are fairly light hearted ads but there's no surprise and little humour.
As I said, a return to form for GetaMac.... and in Megan's last line a brilliant put down of ALL of the "I'm a PC" ads. She is not a number .... she is not a PC... she's a Megan!
This seems like you are for PCs more then Macs, so why are you an Appleinsider Mod?
I prefer Macs but these ads aren't really answering the point being made by the Microsoft ads, which is that Apple don't give you enough choice. Their statement about buying a machine without headaches is not entirely valid as not all PCs have problems and not all Macs are trouble-free.
It's a variable. What is not a variable is that Apple's cheapest 15" laptop is just shy of $2000 and only comes in glossy.
By the way I just bought a Mac for $1,400 and it is every bit worth that amount for no PC headaches, extra software charges.
Using that argument alone, you could justify any price. As I say, not all PCs have problems and I've known people who spent more on a Mac and have had to return it to the store multiple times for broken hardware parts - magsafe, 3 or more batteries, bluetooth chips, hard drive failure.
The New Macbooks are totally upgradable and you run Windows XP because Vista is a total piece of shit.
I run XP mainly because it only takes up 2GB of space on the small Bootcamp partition unlike Vista and in fact current versions of OS X. I haven't used Vista enough to make a firm judgement on it but XP works fine.
The 13" and 15" laptops are easily upgraded. The Mini can be upgraded but it could be easier. You can't really change the HDD in the iMac. The Mac Pro is ok but finding compatible upgrades for PCI cards and graphics cards sort of mean it's pointless being the size it is and the starting price for Apple's only proper desktop is ridiculously high now.
Yes Macs offer a better computing experience in general but that doesn't mean it's ok to just accept whatever they throw out. When their cheapest quad core is 4 times the price of a PC quad core then the reply about no viruses wears a bit thin.
If someone walks into a store with a budget of say $800, Apple's only option is a Mini without a screen. If it doesn't suit then Apple are out, period. If that person buys a PC, there's no automatic guarantee it will be bad and they have a massive range of options to choose from.
PS I like blonde Lauren better than Megan
I prefer Macs but these ads aren't really answering the point being made by the Microsoft ads, which is that Apple don't give you enough choice. Their statement about buying a machine without headaches is not entirely valid as not all PCs have problems and not all Macs are trouble-free.
It's a variable. What is not a variable is that Apple's cheapest 15" laptop is just shy of $2000 and only comes in glossy.
Using that argument alone, you could justify any price. As I say, not all PCs have problems and I've known people who spent more on a Mac and have had to return it to the store multiple times for broken hardware parts - magsafe, 3 or more batteries, bluetooth chips, hard drive failure.
I run XP mainly because it only takes up 2GB of space on the small Bootcamp partition unlike Vista and in fact current versions of OS X. I haven't used Vista enough to make a firm judgement on it but XP works fine.
The 13" and 15" laptops are easily upgraded. The Mini can be upgraded but it could be easier. You can't really change the HDD in the iMac. The Mac Pro is ok but finding compatible upgrades for PCI cards and graphics cards sort of mean it's pointless being the size it is and the starting price for Apple's only proper desktop is ridiculously high now.
Yes Macs offer a better computing experience in general but that doesn't mean it's ok to just accept whatever they throw out. When their cheapest quad core is 4 times the price of a PC quad core then the reply about no viruses wears a bit thin.
If someone walks into a store with a budget of say $800, Apple's only option is a Mini without a screen. If it doesn't suit then Apple are out, period. If that person buys a PC, there's no automatic guarantee it will be bad and they have a massive range of options to choose from.
PS I like blonde Lauren better than Megan
Nope, it is not OK to just accept whatever apple throws at us. But when the alternative is Windows my options become limited to either a mac or a mac.
But, I'd like to see iPhone-style commercials for Macs, where they show you what it can actually do and the software that comes with it. That's where Macs excel.
Nope, it is not OK to just accept whatever apple throws at us. But when the alternative is Windows my options become limited to either a mac or a mac.
Windows is very much an option, but if you choose to ignore it that leaves you with picking between a Mac or a Mac. At the end of the day, that's your choice, and if you want to deliberately castrate your selection of choices, then who are we to stop you?!