First photos from Apple's WWDC site highlight App Store success

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  • Reply 21 of 34
    wobegonwobegon Posts: 764member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    We've already seen the dog n pony show with SDK 3.0 so the only thing Apple could really talk about are features like video recording, and more that are thusfar hidden from the public at large.



    If Snow Leopard has a new unified UI then it certainly needs a demo and Apple does need to reassure people that Snow Leopard is something they are going to want to have especially considering the overhyping of Windows 7.



    The book publishers already have their placeholders for Snow Leopard books coming in August. I think we see Snow Leopard in September at the latest and the WWDC preview is going to be probably more mature than people know.



    All very true. It also helps to look at what Apple's done at past WWDCs. Last year they unveiled the iPhone 3G, its new features, pricing and a release date. With the Palm Pre getting so hyped, there's little doubt Apple will show the next iPhone, its new features, pricing and a release date.



    Then look at the WWDC before Leopard was originally set to launch. Apple talked about its new features, unveiled its UI changes, and set a release window. They're likely to do the same thing this year.



    What's different is, with Leopard there were tons of new user-facing features to articulate and demo, while Snow Leopard will only have a few, the rest being under the hood, and of course, there's UI. While the next iPhone will come with OS 3.0, as you said, most of the features it brings have been demonstrated, so that just leaves things like video capture/editing, 802.11n, perhaps twice the processing power and RAM, a digital compass, etc.



    There might even be time to talk about Snow Leopard's support for 3G hardware and how that relates to Macs (i.e., MacBooks subsidized with 3G service), though that will probably be saved for their annual laptop refresh.



    Hmm, on that note, wouldn't it make a lot of sense to have the launch of Snow Leopard in late Summer/early Fall coincide with subsidized MacBooks sporting built-in or bundled 3G antennas?
  • Reply 22 of 34
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wobegon View Post


    All very true. It also helps to look at what Apple's done at past WWDCs. Last year they unveiled the iPhone 3G, its new features, pricing and a release date. With the Palm Pre getting so hyped, there's little doubt Apple will show the next iPhone, its new features, pricing and a release date.



    Then look at the WWDC before Leopard was originally set to launch. Apple talked about its new features, unveiled its UI changes, and set a release window. They're likely to do the same thing this year.



    What's different is, with Leopard there were tons of new user-facing features to articulate and demo, while Snow Leopard will only have a few, the rest being under the hood, and of course, there's UI. While the next iPhone will come with OS 3.0, as you said, most of the features it brings have been demonstrated, so that just leaves things like video capture/editing, 802.11n, perhaps twice the processing power and RAM, a digital compass, etc.



    There might even be time to talk about Snow Leopard's support for 3G hardware and how that relates to Macs (i.e., MacBooks subsidized with 3G service), though that will probably be saved for their annual laptop refresh. Hmm, wouldn't it make a lot of sense to have the launch of Snow Leopard this Fall coincide with subsidized MacBooks sporting built-in or bundled 3G antennas?



    The dynamics will certainly be different this year. I think that after the initial numbers praise at the beginning, we?ll get to the Snow Leopard demo. Since there features are limited we?ll have to see a new UI. We?ll also see a bunch of benchmarks comparing Leopard and SL on the exact same HW. perhaps even live demos, like they?ve done i years past, showing "real world? actions that a user might do.



    After that we?ll get any app or service changes that were?t previously talked up at the 3.0 special event, like Push Notifications actually up and running. Finally, the new iPhone?s HW and the new apps, like the compass (magnetometer API) and video recording, as you mentioned above.



    I don?t expect much more or less. I hope that that the additional MobileMe services that allow for location finding and remote wipe are mentioned.
  • Reply 23 of 34
    macslutmacslut Posts: 514member
    My guess is that Mark2005 has it right with 10 minutes of status update followed by 25 minutes each for Snow Leopard, iPhone 3.0 and the new iPhone.



    If you look at the pictures you'll see that the only banner is highlighting the iPhone apps...of course, this is a developer conference. So definitely, they're going to be talking about iPhone 3.0.



    It also makes sense to talk about the new iPhone to the developers. They're going to need to know what's different about it and how to develop for it. If Apple were to have a separate event for the iPhone, they would've done it *before* the WWDC...but that would've just been a waste of time/money as compared to doing it at the WWDC.



    While this is a developer focused conference, the keynote is a press/media event. It *is* where you want to make announcements.



    Snow Leopard is getting close to being finalized. Apple has been pretty consistent in its development and stating what Snow Leopard will be. As such, don't expect any surprises regarding Snow Leopard at WWDC. Instead, expect a relatively quick run through with it as compared to most OS demos from Apple.



    And of course iPhone 3.0 will need to have a run through. It does have a lot of features, and again, the developers need to know now as opposed to getting info from an iPhone media event later.



    All signs point to a WWDC announcement for the new iPhone and a July 17release with iPhone 3.0 coming out sometime in between (probably earlier this year than last).



    So what's missing from the pictures are the banners that they usually cover up before the show. These pictures have arrived early, so those banners probably hadn't been hung yet. I haven't been by Moscone today, but in the past, those banners are usually hung as part of the last things set up later in the week before the start of the conference.



    If those banners are not up and covered, then I might start questioning whether the new iPhone is going to be announced at the WWDC, but until then, all signs seem to point that way.
  • Reply 24 of 34
    wobegonwobegon Posts: 764member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    We’ll also see a bunch of benchmarks comparing Leopard and SL on the exact same HW. perhaps even live demos, like they’ve done i years past, showing "real world” actions that a user might do.



    Right, I forgot about benchmarking. That will hopefully include a race between Leopard and SL for startup times. That alone could be noteworthy if they get it down to a few seconds or *gasp*, you hit the power button and there it is.



    There's also the essentially confirmed death knell for PowerPC backwards compatibility, which I have a feeling the PC rags will decry Apple for. QuickTime X and Snow Leopard's UI appear destined to be given sizable portions of time considering the former represents one of the few featureish things and the latter is important for a visual distinction between SL and Leopard (as well as any enhancements in ease of use).





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    After that we’ll get any app or service changes that were’t previously talked up at the 3.0 special event, like Push Notifications actually up and running. Finally, the new iPhone’s HW and the new apps, like the compass (magnetometer API) and video recording, as you mentioned above.



    I don’t expect much more or less. I hope that that the additional MobileMe services that allow for location finding and remote wipe are mentioned.



    Yeah. I guess there's an outside chance for an Apple TV announcement, mainly if Apple opened up a Apple TV App Store and SDK, but that seems like something we'd see sometime next Spring. If anything, we might instead see a Mac section within the App Store as an optional path to the user, perhaps modeled off of iTunes' podcast directory (yes, I know I've said this a few times elsewhere ).



    Lastly, we probably shouldn't rule out the showing of revised versions of existing Mac software, like iTunes, the Finder, Mail, etc.
  • Reply 25 of 34
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wobegon View Post


    Right, I forgot about benchmarking. That will hopefully include a race between Leopard and SL for startup times. That alone could be noteworthy if they get it down to a few seconds or *gasp*, you hit the power button and there it is.



    There's also the essentially confirmed death knell for PowerPC backwards compatibility, which I have a feeling the PC rags will decry Apple for. QuickTime X and Snow Leopard's UI appear destined to be given sizable portions of time considering the former represents one of the few featureish things and the latter is important for a visual distinction between SL and Leopard (as well as any enhancements in ease of use).



    Yeah. I guess there's an outside chance for an Apple TV announcement, mainly if Apple opened up a Apple TV App Store and SDK, but that seems like something we'd see sometime next Spring. If anything, we might instead see a Mac section within the App Store as an optional path to the user, perhaps modeled off of iTunes' podcast directory (yes, I know I've said this a few times elsewhere ).



    Lastly, we probably shouldn't rule out the showing of revised versions of existing Mac software, like iTunes, the Finder, Mail, etc.



    So far, I've noticed a slighter shorter startup time and slighter zipper startup of apps, but nothing astounding, though it is still Beta and I'm using a MB 2.4GHz w/ 9400M IGP. Pretty much all other new Macs would probably show more gain with OpenCL and GC working. I have found about a 10% benchmarking gain, but I certainly haven't seen this is real time usage yet. The machines with IGPs are still without a 64-big kernel option, and we've seen no SL or iPhone OS updates for a few weeks.



    I hope that we see a lot more than UI changes but logistically it would probably be best to regroup with a future-forward backend change, even if marketing is yelling "features sell!



    I wouldn't be surprised if the address the lack of PPC support by saying that Leopard will updated for x-long, and perhaps even adding the ActiveSync feature to Leopard Mail. Okay, that latter I would be a little surprised by.



    AppleTV is a wildcard. What event would it best bs to update it? It doesn't currently warrant its own event but a silent update doesn't work either. There is HW, OS, distribution, apps, a potential SDK and the other media appliance vendors and optical media to consider. If you have a educated guess I'd love to hear it because I find it all quite complex.





    PS: completely untelated to the thread, but iPhone OS X v3.0 does not refresh mobileSafari like it does with v2.x.
  • Reply 26 of 34
    medusamedusa Posts: 1member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    We've already seen the dog n pony show with SDK 3.0 so the only thing Apple could really talk about are features like video recording, and more that are thusfar hidden from the public at large.



    If Snow Leopard has a new unified UI then it certainly needs a demo and Apple does need to reassure people that Snow Leopard is something they are going to want to have especially considering the overhyping of Windows 7.



    The book publishers already have their placeholders for Snow Leopard books coming in August. I think we see Snow Leopard in September at the latest and the WWDC preview is going to be probably more mature than people know.



    If there's going to be so little Snow Leopard news at the conference, why did the banner designer chose to have it SNOWING iPhone applications. I'm just saying.... I don't think this is a co-incidence. Design choices that Apple make at any level rarely are.



    Unless, they're about to reveal a secret project codenamed HAIL... which means you can discard my post entirely
  • Reply 27 of 34
    irelandireland Posts: 17,796member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Switchers (Chief Editor) View Post


    WWDC next week? Who gives a beep when you have this in your hands







    Say hello to the new front camera!



    No, I won't say hello. Nor will I even use it.
  • Reply 28 of 34
    ivan.rnn01ivan.rnn01 Posts: 1,822member
    nicely and intriguingly sounding english word, which is employed to name that chinese artistic interpretation of ugly phone outlook...

    Wait... That's it! "Rendition"!
  • Reply 29 of 34
    paul npaul n Posts: 1member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    AppleInsider reader Alan Jackson burnt the midnight oil on Wednesday to deliver this Flickr album of 22 photos he snapped outside the Moscone West Tuesday evening,



    To give credit to who it is due, Adam Jackson took these pictures not Alan Jackson.
  • Reply 30 of 34
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    I wonder if there'll be any game demo's shown on a new iPhone?



    A faster processor and more RAM should make for an awesome experience, Sega showed Monkeyball last year.



    ID Software perhaps, John Carmack has made positive comments about the iPhone and has been quiet since launching Wolfenstein 3D a couple of months ago.
  • Reply 31 of 34
    meelashmeelash Posts: 1,045member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Medusa View Post


    If there's going to be so little Snow Leopard news at the conference, why did the banner designer chose to have it SNOWING iPhone applications. I'm just saying.... I don't think this is a co-incidence. Design choices that Apple make at any level rarely are.



    Unless, they're about to reveal a secret project codenamed HAIL... which means you can discard my post entirely







    Sorry to RAIN on your parade, but.... What??



  • Reply 32 of 34
    pxtpxt Posts: 683member
    I anticipate an endless parade of hardware linked to the dock.



    Phil Schiller will demonstrate that his stress levels are fine, his blood sugar levels are normal, and his children are all his - live onstage.



    Then (either way) there won't be much time for anything else.
  • Reply 33 of 34
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PXT View Post


    I anticipate an endless parade of hardware linked to the dock.



    Phil Schiller will demonstrate that his stress levels are fine, his blood sugar levels are normal, and his children are all his - live onstage.



    Then (either way) there won't be much time for anything else.



    Ooh... Gattaca-style instant genome sequencer for iPhone 3G. Nice.



  • Reply 34 of 34
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    OpenCL is still in its infacy but the concept is sound. Folding@Home on GPU, CUDA, Badaboom, Cyberlink Media Espresso, while all somewhat buggy, do demonstrate that used wisely GPUs can definitely do some heavy lifting. The 9400M will be no slouch in terms of GPGPU. Sure, you can't really play Crysis on it but GPGPU wise the Nvidia 9 series and newer can provide tangible benefits. Of course, ATI is no slouch and their 40nm GPUs are kicking ass overall.



    Most important is for Apple to lay out some real good groundwork (SDK, API, whatever) so that Devs can start making all sorts of cool GPGPU apps for Snow Leopard. There's a great, intelligent development community out there and with OpenCL, I think they'll certainly make the most of it if the foundations are there.



    The icing on the cake is when OpenCL becomes de facto for ATI and Nvidia ~ Sure, they may still market their tech as "CUDA" or "Stream" but if OpenCL really takes off, it could be a strong common platform that will take processing up a notch.



    I mean, Folding@Home on my ATI 4830 on PC (high GPU use with very little CPU use) delivers twice the computational power (in the case of this app) than my MacBook Alu 2.0ghz Penryn CPU.



    I'm not playing much games with my new MacBook Alu 2.0ghz because I've got a PC as mentioned above. However, it is very reassuring to have the 9400M around after years of dealing with that Intel integrated GARBAGE.



    Ran a Keynote file I was working on before I swapped to this MacBook, the previous one had GMA950, this MacBook with 9400M, the effects are fairly sweet and snappy. As OpenCL matures I do feel I have peace of mind that whether its me or someone I sell this MacBook to, we're good to through to 2011 at least.



    AppleTV will either continue in its current form if Apple is happy with it as it is. Or, if they want to, they could bring apps (read: GAMES), SDK, App Store, etc. AppleTV becomes *a gaming platform* by itself. All it needs is a motion sensitive or other kind of controller (need not be Wii-like, could have Guitars, etc...) and Boom! One-stop entertainment centre thingy. Blu Ray player inside would be nice but is very unlikely.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    So far, I've noticed a slighter shorter startup time and slighter zipper startup of apps, but nothing astounding, though it is still Beta and I'm using a MB 2.4GHz w/ 9400M IGP. Pretty much all other new Macs would probably show more gain with OpenCL and GC working. I have found about a 10% benchmarking gain, but I certainly haven't seen this is real time usage yet. The machines with IGPs are still without a 64-big kernel option, and we've seen no SL or iPhone OS updates for a few weeks.



    I hope that we see a lot more than UI changes but logistically it would probably be best to regroup with a future-forward backend change, even if marketing is yelling "features sell!



    I wouldn't be surprised if the address the lack of PPC support by saying that Leopard will updated for x-long, and perhaps even adding the ActiveSync feature to Leopard Mail. Okay, that latter I would be a little surprised by.



    AppleTV is a wildcard. What event would it best bs to update it? It doesn't currently warrant its own event but a silent update doesn't work either. There is HW, OS, distribution, apps, a potential SDK and the other media appliance vendors and optical media to consider. If you have a educated guess I'd love to hear it because I find it all quite complex.





    PS: completely untelated to the thread, but iPhone OS X v3.0 does not refresh mobileSafari like it does with v2.x.



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