I don't understand the fascination with an FM tuner. I loathe both FM and AM radio. That's why I have XM. I'm looking forward to whatever app they come out with soon.
i don't think its about "listening" to fm, its about connectivity, as fm transmitter, and finding music on itunes to purchase.
Whether some people don't understand why some want radio or not on their device, I WANT it and I'm not the only one. If it can be done and done well, then do it. There are many times when I wish I could listen to my favourite morning show while on the bus or listen to my top 5 at 5 on my local FM station. I don't always want to listen to my own iPod library or to podcasts etc. Surely, the technology is available (or will be soon) to do this. If you don't like the option of being able to listen to radio on your device, then don't use it. There are some functions on my current phone that I don't use and never would. The more things the device can do (and do well and efficiently of course), then the better in my opinion.
have you tried fstream, i love it for talk radio, and syndicated music radio, there are ways of listening to radio via iphone and internet several apps are available you have to search for your station i listen to most from philly
My main thing is I hate talk radio. I can't stand sitting there listening to other people constantly spewing their opinions. Even though I may agree with a particular person's topics or ideas, I still don't want to listen to them. It's a headache. Plus commercials are getting more and more obnoxious these days.
If there was a tuner, I am aware I could simply ignore it. But that still doesn't mean I feel there's a need for it. Most of the people I know don't listen to FM anyway.
regret Apple's wasting square inches of iPhone logic board in the whim to become just like what cheap Sony-Ericsson phones are...
Why not to design damn usb tuner, if someone needs it so desperate?
Everyone always seems to forget that Apple has sold an FM tuner accessory for iPods for a number of years. It plugs into the dock connector on 5th generation and classic full size iPods and every generation of nano, too. It's still available for sale. And it includes the ability to display the RDS data feeds, which would include the artist and track name info you would need to "tag" the song for later purchase.
So all this hoopla about code in the software to receive FM radio and tag songs could simply mean Apple is finally making the iPhone/touch compatible with an accessory that has been around for years.
Congratulations, your iPhone has finally caught up to my 3-year old iPod. Ok, so I can't tag songs, big deal.
I use NPR, AOL Radio, Yahoo Music, and Pandora. As long as their is no interuption in the signal they all work perfectly fine in my experince. You can also stream all audio podcasts from iTunes.
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There's huge pile of iPhone apps, which are supposed to stream radio over 3G/WiFi. None of those worked actually in my experience. The playback just stalls without visible reason. This is weird, because everyone streams now video with no problem at all.
I use NPR, AOL Radio, Yahoo Music, and Pandora. As long as their is no interuption in the signal they all work perfectly fine in my experince. You can also stream all audio podcasts from iTunes.
I was somewhat puzzled about it, too. I tried Orange Live Radio, allRadio, something else... They all misbehaved similar. 30 sec of playback, then hopeless stall.
I gave it up and declared radio feature being of no interest for me.
We have very slow 3G (2.9G, in fact) network, but the coverage is far better, than in States. Maybe, I failed because of that. Yet video streaming (Youtube, Orange TV, MTV, France 24, etc - there're lots of them) works like a charm.
regret Apple's wasting square inches of iPhone logic board in the whim to become just like what cheap Sony-Ericsson phones are...
The flaw in that argument is that, if rumours are correct, they will actually be reducing their PCB space usage (using a single-chip solution to simplify integration of 802.11n, while at the same time combining bluetooth support in the same package), and they'd be getting the hardware capable of FM tuning and/or transmitting as a side-effect.
Whether or not they choose to activate that hardware, on the other hand, is another story entirely.
The flaw in that argument is that, if rumours are correct, they will actually be reducing their PCB space usage (using a single-chip solution to simplify integration of 802.11n, while at the same time combining bluetooth support in the same package), and they'd be getting the hardware capable of FM tuning and/or transmitting as a side-effect.
Whether or not they choose to activate that hardware, on the other hand, is another story entirely.
Ummm... Rumors are neither chip specifications, nor iPhone parts nomenclature. Time will tell.
Someone will post the picture of new iPhone's board and chipset. I will compare them with 3G's ones and then will come back onto this argument.
My guess would be some type of software problem. I've streamed audio using EDGE with no problem. At least as long as the signal doesn't drop.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
I was somewhat puzzled about it, too. I tried Orange Live Radio, allRadio, something else... They all misbehaved similar. 30 sec of playback, then hopeless stall.
I gave it up and declared radio feature being of no interest for me.
We have very slow 3G (2.9G, in fact) network, but the coverage is far better, than in States. Maybe, I failed because of that. Yet video streaming (Youtube, Orange TV, MTV, France 24, etc - there're lots of them) works like a charm.
My guess would be some type of software problem. I've streamed audio using EDGE with no problem. At least as long as the signal doesn't drop.
I don't think so. All applications from all vendors hang in absolutely similar manner. Which suggests rather network problems. What confuses me is video, which should in all evidence be far more consuming, streams without any problem at all. Surely, with its audio track.
Ummm... Rumors are neither chip specifications, nor iPhone parts nomenclature. Time will tell.
Someone will post the picture of new iPhone's board and chipset. I will compare them with 3G's ones and then will come back onto this argument.
There is at least some substance to the rumours though. The article we're all commenting on contains a link to a previous article, in which it was revealed that the iPhone OS 3.0 betas contained support for a new 802.11n Broadcom WiFi chip - BCM4329. This single-chip solution does, indeed, incorporate WiFi, Bluetooth, and FM receiver/transmitter in one package.
As an embedded OS running on a strictly controlled list of platforms, Apple's engineers would have no reason to incorporate support for any particular chipset unless they actually had some reason to suspect that they would actually end up using that chipset.
Mind you, the 2G iPod Touch has already incorporated a predecessor of this chip, the Broadcom BCM4325 802.11g WiFi chip, which also incorporated Bluetooth and an FM receiver, but Apple has chosen not to take advantage of the FM receiver on that chip either.
There is at least some substance to the rumours though. The article we're all commenting on contains a link to a previous article, in which it was revealed that the iPhone OS 3.0 betas contained support for a new 802.11n Broadcom WiFi chip - BCM4329. This single-chip solution does, indeed, incorporate WiFi, Bluetooth, and FM receiver/transmitter in one package.
As an embedded OS running on a strictly controlled list of platforms, Apple's engineers would have no reason to incorporate support for any particular chipset unless they actually had some reason to suspect that they would actually end up using that chipset.
Mind you, the 2G iPod Touch has already incorporated a predecessor of this chip, the Broadcom BCM4325 802.11g WiFi chip, which also incorporated Bluetooth and an FM receiver, but Apple has chosen not to take advantage of the FM receiver on that chip either.
iPhone 3G's WiFi chip is BCM4325, too. They seem different only in 802.11n compliance (plus possible optimizations).
So, let me rephrase what I said before. I would regret any Apple's effort -- either hardware (say, to connect antenna to FM input of the chip or to handle its FM output) or software -- to load iPhone with decade old technology.
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I don't understand the fascination with an FM tuner. I loathe both FM and AM radio. That's why I have XM. I'm looking forward to whatever app they come out with soon.
i don't think its about "listening" to fm, its about connectivity, as fm transmitter, and finding music on itunes to purchase.
Whether some people don't understand why some want radio or not on their device, I WANT it and I'm not the only one. If it can be done and done well, then do it. There are many times when I wish I could listen to my favourite morning show while on the bus or listen to my top 5 at 5 on my local FM station. I don't always want to listen to my own iPod library or to podcasts etc. Surely, the technology is available (or will be soon) to do this. If you don't like the option of being able to listen to radio on your device, then don't use it. There are some functions on my current phone that I don't use and never would. The more things the device can do (and do well and efficiently of course), then the better in my opinion.
have you tried fstream, i love it for talk radio, and syndicated music radio, there are ways of listening to radio via iphone and internet several apps are available you have to search for your station i listen to most from philly
You make Phone calls with yours?
So true. In the month that I've owned an iPod touch I think I've listened to music on it twice. Safari and UniWar on the other hand...
If there was a tuner, I am aware I could simply ignore it. But that still doesn't mean I feel there's a need for it. Most of the people I know don't listen to FM anyway.
I still find it unnecessary. But that's just me.
Just another thing to drain the battery even faster. God forbid you need an actual phone call.
That's what my BluePack is for!
regret Apple's wasting square inches of iPhone logic board in the whim to become just like what cheap Sony-Ericsson phones are...
Why not to design damn usb tuner, if someone needs it so desperate?
Everyone always seems to forget that Apple has sold an FM tuner accessory for iPods for a number of years. It plugs into the dock connector on 5th generation and classic full size iPods and every generation of nano, too. It's still available for sale. And it includes the ability to display the RDS data feeds, which would include the artist and track name info you would need to "tag" the song for later purchase.
So all this hoopla about code in the software to receive FM radio and tag songs could simply mean Apple is finally making the iPhone/touch compatible with an accessory that has been around for years.
Congratulations, your iPhone has finally caught up to my 3-year old iPod. Ok, so I can't tag songs, big deal.
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There's huge pile of iPhone apps, which are supposed to stream radio over 3G/WiFi. None of those worked actually in my experience. The playback just stalls without visible reason. This is weird, because everyone streams now video with no problem at all.
I use NPR, AOL Radio, Yahoo Music, and Pandora. As long as their is no interuption in the signal they all work perfectly fine in my experince. You can also stream all audio podcasts from iTunes.
I was somewhat puzzled about it, too. I tried Orange Live Radio, allRadio, something else... They all misbehaved similar. 30 sec of playback, then hopeless stall.
I gave it up and declared radio feature being of no interest for me.
We have very slow 3G (2.9G, in fact) network, but the coverage is far better, than in States.
Congratulations, your iPhone has finally caught up to my 3-year old iPod. Ok, so I can't tag songs, big deal.
Thank you. Mostly, for more hope for they will abandon that chinese idea to implant FM chip directly in iPhone.
regret Apple's wasting square inches of iPhone logic board in the whim to become just like what cheap Sony-Ericsson phones are...
The flaw in that argument is that, if rumours are correct, they will actually be reducing their PCB space usage (using a single-chip solution to simplify integration of 802.11n, while at the same time combining bluetooth support in the same package), and they'd be getting the hardware capable of FM tuning and/or transmitting as a side-effect.
Whether or not they choose to activate that hardware, on the other hand, is another story entirely.
The flaw in that argument is that, if rumours are correct, they will actually be reducing their PCB space usage (using a single-chip solution to simplify integration of 802.11n, while at the same time combining bluetooth support in the same package), and they'd be getting the hardware capable of FM tuning and/or transmitting as a side-effect.
Whether or not they choose to activate that hardware, on the other hand, is another story entirely.
Ummm... Rumors are neither chip specifications, nor iPhone parts nomenclature.
Someone will post the picture of new iPhone's board and chipset. I will compare them with 3G's ones and then will come back onto this argument.
I was somewhat puzzled about it, too. I tried Orange Live Radio, allRadio, something else... They all misbehaved similar. 30 sec of playback, then hopeless stall.
I gave it up and declared radio feature being of no interest for me.
We have very slow 3G (2.9G, in fact) network, but the coverage is far better, than in States.
My guess would be some type of software problem. I've streamed audio using EDGE with no problem. At least as long as the signal doesn't drop.
I don't think so. All applications from all vendors hang in absolutely similar manner. Which suggests rather network problems. What confuses me is video, which should in all evidence be far more consuming, streams without any problem at all. Surely, with its audio track.
Ummm... Rumors are neither chip specifications, nor iPhone parts nomenclature.
Someone will post the picture of new iPhone's board and chipset. I will compare them with 3G's ones and then will come back onto this argument.
There is at least some substance to the rumours though. The article we're all commenting on contains a link to a previous article, in which it was revealed that the iPhone OS 3.0 betas contained support for a new 802.11n Broadcom WiFi chip - BCM4329. This single-chip solution does, indeed, incorporate WiFi, Bluetooth, and FM receiver/transmitter in one package.
As an embedded OS running on a strictly controlled list of platforms, Apple's engineers would have no reason to incorporate support for any particular chipset unless they actually had some reason to suspect that they would actually end up using that chipset.
Mind you, the 2G iPod Touch has already incorporated a predecessor of this chip, the Broadcom BCM4325 802.11g WiFi chip, which also incorporated Bluetooth and an FM receiver, but Apple has chosen not to take advantage of the FM receiver on that chip either.
There is at least some substance to the rumours though. The article we're all commenting on contains a link to a previous article, in which it was revealed that the iPhone OS 3.0 betas contained support for a new 802.11n Broadcom WiFi chip - BCM4329. This single-chip solution does, indeed, incorporate WiFi, Bluetooth, and FM receiver/transmitter in one package.
As an embedded OS running on a strictly controlled list of platforms, Apple's engineers would have no reason to incorporate support for any particular chipset unless they actually had some reason to suspect that they would actually end up using that chipset.
Mind you, the 2G iPod Touch has already incorporated a predecessor of this chip, the Broadcom BCM4325 802.11g WiFi chip, which also incorporated Bluetooth and an FM receiver, but Apple has chosen not to take advantage of the FM receiver on that chip either.
iPhone 3G's WiFi chip is BCM4325, too. They seem different only in 802.11n compliance (plus possible optimizations).
So, let me rephrase what I said before. I would regret any Apple's effort -- either hardware (say, to connect antenna to FM input of the chip or to handle its FM output) or software -- to load iPhone with decade old technology.