<strong>FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM;</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought it was supposed to come with gcc 3.3?
*edit below*
I just noticed that GCC 3.3 will be released on March 1, 2003. That could be why there were rumors floating around that they would start to seed Mac OS 10.3 sometime in march.
I also noticed that GCC 3.3 adds support for the Power 4 processor. Perhaps GCC 3.3.1 or 3.3.2 will add support for the PowerPC 970?
Amorph, do you believe that Steve has read the metadata petition? I'm not quite sure about it ? err, well, I'm not saying I'm not sure Steve can read ? Apple has its own road map for the OS for the next 2 or 3 years and I'm not sure users have a good chance to influence it.
However, if these ideas find their way into 10.3, I'll be happy. Also a saved state at logout/login will be good.
I'm sorry I didn't explain my rave about $130 per update (and stop calling it upgrade, please, because you generally upgrade hardware and update software). You see, I waited a month for 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 to arrive in Moscow, grabbed the first copy available to be the last man on earth who saw it. Do you think such quality of service is good enough? I know most of Apple's Russian resellers don't give a damn about anything they sell, but they cannot get an OS update sooner than it becomes available.
Folks living in Europe, do you know a reliable way to get OS X updates quickly? Note I don't think Hotline/Carracho.
[quote] All Steve has to do is say two words: Faster, and metadata, and Apple will sell copies of 10.3 as fast as they can print them. A database filesystem with robust, extensible XML-based metadata, all of it AppleScriptable down to its toenails; CoreFoundation complete, so that all of Carbon is accessible within Cocoa and vice versa; AppleScript 2.0, rewritten to use CoreFoundation rather than its own parser and libraries; FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM; Quartz Extremer , with some or all rendering moved off to various bits of hardware. Kernel-level, Rendezvous-savvy clustering built in.
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
<strong>Folks living in Europe, do you know a reliable way to get OS X updates quickly? Note I don't think Hotline/Carracho. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Broadband works for me: got the 10.2.4 combo in half an hour last night (I was messing about with virgin installs on a Firewire drive...).
<strong>Amorph, do you believe that Steve has read the metadata petition?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know, honestly. Even though I signed it, I don't think it's necessary to assume that he has in order to see metadata in OS X's future. They probably put off implementing it until they could come up with a proper design, and until crucial bits of the OS were finished and polished up. There may be other systems issues they were waiting on; I'm not really a systems guy, and I'm not familiar with the Darwin codebase.
Apple has one chance to get their metadata layer right with OS X. If they screw up the first release architecturally, it's legacy, and they'll be supporting it and working around it for the next 15 years. So I don't mind if they're taking their time to do it right. I have a feeling that what they eventually do roll out will amaze us, even if the earliest user-visible uses of the new architecture are fairly modest.
And I have no doubt they'll do it. The iApps cry for metadata. Metadata is essential to allowing users to understand, categorize and manipulate files in their terms, rather than in the computer's terms. Apple has done more work on file metadata than any other company I can think of, and OS X's bundles allow nearly limitless amounts of metadata, organized however, to be stored within a document in agnostic, portable formats like XML. We will see this.
<strong>Finder with a database? Screw that. How about the whole filesystem as a database? Now that's thinking big. Finder can then become a secondary means of accessing files.
All Steve has to do is say two words: Faster, and metadata, and Apple will sell copies of 10.3 as fast as they can print them. A database filesystem with robust, extensible XML-based metadata, all of it AppleScriptable down to its toenails; CoreFoundation complete, so that all of Carbon is accessible within Cocoa and vice versa; AppleScript 2.0, rewritten to use CoreFoundation rather than its own parser and libraries; FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM; Quartz Extremer , with some or all rendering moved off to various bits of hardware. Kernel-level, Rendezvous-savvy clustering built in.
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
So, are you talking about Vector UI elements, instead of the .tiffs that are running around now?
Metadata sounds nifty, what can be done with it...
All: Nothing in this world is free, really, there are very few items that are free (except for trees and lakes and stuff like that)
If you want something, you are going to have to pay for it
Then there is the rumor of apple breaking up the 130 payment into thirds, one for the iApps, a third for the Internet Suite, and a third for the acutal OS. I don't see this as happening though.. imagine people REALLY confused then ("Do I have to buy iLife to get iMovie? Can I download iDVD?")
It is easier in ONE package... and you pay for it if you want.... <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
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<strong>FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM;</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought it was supposed to come with gcc 3.3?
*edit below*
I just noticed that GCC 3.3 will be released on March 1, 2003. That could be why there were rumors floating around that they would start to seed Mac OS 10.3 sometime in march.
I also noticed that GCC 3.3 adds support for the Power 4 processor. Perhaps GCC 3.3.1 or 3.3.2 will add support for the PowerPC 970?
[ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: rogue27 ]</p>
All Apple has to (and probably will) do is write an open-source auto vectorizing PPC64 plugin.
Barto
However, if these ideas find their way into 10.3, I'll be happy. Also a saved state at logout/login will be good.
I'm sorry I didn't explain my rave about $130 per update (and stop calling it upgrade, please, because you generally upgrade hardware and update software). You see, I waited a month for 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 to arrive in Moscow, grabbed the first copy available to be the last man on earth who saw it. Do you think such quality of service is good enough? I know most of Apple's Russian resellers don't give a damn about anything they sell, but they cannot get an OS update sooner than it becomes available.
Folks living in Europe, do you know a reliable way to get OS X updates quickly? Note I don't think Hotline/Carracho.
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
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:eek:
Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :cool:
Ay, Amorph, you emailed Apple with yer dream-list?
[ 02-19-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
<strong>Folks living in Europe, do you know a reliable way to get OS X updates quickly? Note I don't think Hotline/Carracho.
Broadband works for me: got the 10.2.4 combo in half an hour last night (I was messing about with virgin installs on a Firewire drive...).
<strong>Amorph, do you believe that Steve has read the metadata petition?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know, honestly. Even though I signed it, I don't think it's necessary to assume that he has in order to see metadata in OS X's future. They probably put off implementing it until they could come up with a proper design, and until crucial bits of the OS were finished and polished up. There may be other systems issues they were waiting on; I'm not really a systems guy, and I'm not familiar with the Darwin codebase.
Apple has one chance to get their metadata layer right with OS X. If they screw up the first release architecturally, it's legacy, and they'll be supporting it and working around it for the next 15 years. So I don't mind if they're taking their time to do it right. I have a feeling that what they eventually do roll out will amaze us, even if the earliest user-visible uses of the new architecture are fairly modest.
And I have no doubt they'll do it. The iApps cry for metadata. Metadata is essential to allowing users to understand, categorize and manipulate files in their terms, rather than in the computer's terms. Apple has done more work on file metadata than any other company I can think of, and OS X's bundles allow nearly limitless amounts of metadata, organized however, to be stored within a document in agnostic, portable formats like XML. We will see this.
MacOS X does not use the BSD Kernal. It uses the Mach kernal.
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MacOS X does not use the BSD Kernal. It uses the Mach kernal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh you're "fookin" right grrrrr. I've just fooked this thread up too much with my ignorance. I will diminish....and go to the west.
<strong>Finder with a database? Screw that. How about the whole filesystem as a database? Now that's thinking big.
All Steve has to do is say two words: Faster, and metadata, and Apple will sell copies of 10.3 as fast as they can print them. A database filesystem with robust, extensible XML-based metadata, all of it AppleScriptable down to its toenails; CoreFoundation complete, so that all of Carbon is accessible within Cocoa and vice versa; AppleScript 2.0, rewritten to use CoreFoundation rather than its own parser and libraries; FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM; Quartz Extremer
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
So, are you talking about Vector UI elements, instead of the .tiffs that are running around now?
Metadata sounds nifty, what can be done with it...
All: Nothing in this world is free, really, there are very few items that are free (except for trees and lakes and stuff like that)
If you want something, you are going to have to pay for it
Then there is the rumor of apple breaking up the 130 payment into thirds, one for the iApps, a third for the Internet Suite, and a third for the acutal OS. I don't see this as happening though.. imagine people REALLY confused then ("Do I have to buy iLife to get iMovie? Can I download iDVD?")
It is easier in ONE package... and you pay for it if you want.... <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />