True words to the end. He's really good at criticizing products he doesn't even own.
I own the first-gen MBA. By far the best laptop I've ever owned. It's my first Mac laptop. VMware/XP outperforms my prior Sony Vaio laptop running native XP. Figure that. My needs were more mobility than outright performance. Include the fact the aluminum construction has it built like a tank keeping my MBA from getting tweaked going from site to site. I haven't met one disgruntled MBA owner in my travels and there have been quite a few of them.
That's not to say an MBA is for everyone because it certainly isn't. But if mobility and good performance is what you need, the MBA delivers on its promise. Certain people (teckstud) put price above all else. You get what you pay for. All my other non-Apple laptops would have been showing signs of physical stress by now. My MBA still is as solid as the day I bought it.
As far as Teckstud's usual lame comments about netbooks, they truly suck. Our company bought a bunch of them for the mobile sales force based on exactly what Teckstud mentioned. They were cheap. Well, they are all sitting on a shelf in the admin's office gathering dust. The mobile forced refused to use them after about a week or two because the performance was horrible. Just like Teckstud's opinions.
Some people just will never learn.
Agreed, our 1st gen MBA outperforms our 1st gen iMac, even though iMac has faster video & processor (though it's 32bit). They aren't power houses, but they are stinking small & light.
I'd like to know if the newer MBA runs any cooler than the previous. Benchmarks test full out power performing intense tasks but they don't really test general speed improvements in performing less intense tasks. People buying MBA are usually looking for mobility & a machine that performs simpler office type tasks well
I have the lovely second generation Macbook Air and I prefer that to both my 17" MBP and 13" MB, especially when mobile. On campus I keep an iPhone in my pocket and the Air in my backpack.
God this is awful- a lemon becomes a lemon with mold. And you all make fun of netbooks, even though they cost $500. Wh would anyone want to buy one of these anymore now that we have a 13" MacBookPro? The weight?
Nothing can match the MBA in its class, in terms of performance for its size/form factor. In fact, that's the whole point of the MBA: form.
And the decrease in speed is negligible (if we're to believe the test.) You won't notice it. You get some solid improvements to the new MBA, besides.
Netbooks are trashy recession-bait. Seriously. Gimped, cramped laptops. Taking a laptop, removing features, making it smaller, and then selling it for peanuts is nothing special. In fact, they're proving to be more trouble than they're worth.
Why would anyone want to buy an MBA?
Weight, thinness, the form factor.
Simply put, It's a thing of beauty that runs OS X. That has always been reason enough for me.
And all you do is comment on teckstud not adding to a topic while your 6 posts never added much either.
6 posts and you know him so well ??? you joined under more than one name ??
lol teckstud keeps this place rocking every oneon every topic answer his posts . or comment on his posts. Teckstud IS ALL YOU SLEEPY geek heads whipping boy who you would love to have a drink with in a bar .
enjoy your week end
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He's probably a lurker, long-time reader. LOL, chill.
Nothing can match the MBA in its class, in terms of performance for its size/form factor. In fact, that's the whole point of the MBA: form.
There are the few other machines that copied it pretty much component-for-component, though ironically these non-Macs cost more than Apple?s solution. However, they do use carbon fiber and often have more ports so it may not be a bad trade off, except that Windows is considerably worse than Mac OS X when it comes to power management.
Agreed, our 1st gen MBA outperforms our 1st gen iMac, even though iMac has faster video & processor (though it's 32bit). They aren't power houses, but they are stinking small & light.
I'd like to know if the newer MBA runs any cooler than the previous. Benchmarks test full out power performing intense tasks but they don't really test general speed improvements in performing less intense tasks. People buying MBA are usually looking for mobility & a machine that performs simpler office type tasks well
I'm considering a new MBA sometime next year to replace my current 1g MBA. Not for necessity's sake. I would like a larger drive (SSD/SATA). That is pretty much my only requirement. The graphics update would be icing. Nonetheless, I am quite happy with my current MBA.
What is really annoying are self-anointed product critics (teckstud) that give opinions on products they don't even own and have maybe used for only a couple minutes at an Apple store. But hey, I have a friend, that has a friend, that has a neighbor, that is sleeping with their brother that heard the MBA sucks.... whatever...
There are a lot of longtime readers of this forum that don’t become posters right away. Many of them know the “whipping boy”’s posts very well before registering.
Well i have 200.000 or more online posts . I have been in flame troll wars so bad that crashed EMI pink floyd site,people to this day years later still hate each other guts . So I know what is what to a point.
In truth no one really knows , do we?
Apple stud does not comment about apple he is like wilco in a way ,He comments about commenters .
And that is ok. What is not ok is too post here under more than one hat.
And teckstud is not per se a troll.
Anyway i am just saying, I don't really care that much .
While the new low-end 1.86GHz model bested its 1.6GHz predecessor, outperforming it in most tests and recording a Speedmark score of 11 points higher at 156, the same couldn't be said for the new high-end 2.13GHz MacBook Air, which achieve a score of 175 -- a full 4 points lower than the previous-gen 1.86GHz model.
I guess what this means is, it's about time to roll out the four core ultra cool notebook processors, because these dual cores are topping out.
Snow Leopard, with Grand Central certainly has a play in this.
I suspect the next issue of MacBooks will be updates to the MBA's with 4 cores, SSD and SD.
I'd love an MBA with a smaller footprint. I'm sure it'll come when they can squeeze a little bit more in a tighter space. The heat issue is just a matter of design and/or fans (I think the MBA is fanless, right?). Really it's an amazing machine, but not practical for most people. It's exactly an Engineering marvel, but it needs to find a better place in the lineup if it's going to survive.
I suspect a bum machine in these tests anyway, though there's not much difference between the old and new specs. No big deal.
I guess what this means is, it's about time to roll out the four core ultra cool notebook processors, because these dual cores are topping out.
Snow Leopard, with Grand Central certainly has a play in this.
I suspect the next issue of MacBooks will be updates to the MBA's with 4 cores, SSD and SD.
Are mobile C2Qs with a similar TPD the current C2Ds Apple uses even available yet?
PS: The new SL Beta 10a394 is out and it seems quicker. They have even made those Exposé changes and they have definitely made my use of it more efficient.
MBA has weight and thinness, but is lacking in form factor.
I'm typing on my PB G4 12" right now, while a brand new MBP 15" sits in the other room (similar in footprint to the MBA) simply because the G4 12" is a much more reasonable size for couch based web surfing, how I use a computer the majority of the time.
I really regret buying my MBP. I wish I would have built a hackentosh desktop to do my photo editing on and will eventually get an SSD for my G4 to speed it up and maintain it as my primary web surfing computer.
If apple ever creates a reasonably priced mid-tower Mac where I can swap out video cards but not mortgage my house I will be all over it. Same if they ever produce something to fill the gaping hole left by the PB G4 12"....
That's the ORIGINAL MBA. It is neither model discussed here. The overheating issue with the original was well documented and publicized and was solved in all later models. I'm sorry for your heat issue but it is not relevant to this particular discussion.
The problem was and is well documented and some improvements were made, but, there are still people who have had problems with overheating on the second generation. The problem is usually solved with coolbook, or in some instances the removal and re application of the thermal paste. While it seems apple has made great strides on thermal management it still is occasionally a problem on new machines. I am guessing here but the behavior of the machine suggests to me that the factory applied to much thermal paste which then acts as an insulator instead of a heat transfer medium. And the mba has a small thin heat sink and if it is not aligned properly that can cause heat problems as well. I would hope that they try another one as I suspect they would get better numbers.
I don't know about having a drink with him but I'd definitely like to whip him. His irreverence is astounding. But like you said, it keeps things ticking along.
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And all you do is comment on teckstud not adding to a topic while your 6 posts never added much either.
6 posts and you know him so well ??? you joined under more than one name ??
lol teckstud keeps this place rocking every oneon every topic answer his posts . or comment on his posts. Teckstud IS ALL YOU SLEEPY geek heads whipping boy who you would love to have a drink with in a bar .
I'm thrilled that they make something like the Air, but it just seems to be in the wrong price bracket.
The lack of ports and optical drive mean it is best suited as a secondary computer for someone who owns an iMac, but it costs so much you are better off buying the 13-inch Macbook Pro which has more functionality at a lower price point.
Sure it is light and thin but it is not uniformly thin which negates the effect. It seems to have been designed entirely around the marketing material photos that emphasise the razor-thin edge.
It may suit business persons and some students for whom portability is a priority but realistically the 13-inch Macbook Pro is not that cumbersome to begin with.
If apple ever creates a reasonably priced mid-tower Mac where I can swap out video cards but not mortgage my house I will be all over it. Same if they ever produce something to fill the gaping hole left by the PB G4 12"....
I thought that when they only had white Macbooks but the unibody Macbooks are actually lighter than the 12" Powerbook. The only issue is that it's glossy.
Compared to the MBA, it's 4.5lbs vs 3.0lbs. Taking out the optical takes it to 4.0lbs and maybe less if they shuffle the insides. Plus it drops the cost by about $100 and the battery can be even bigger (10 hour life maybe).
2010 should bring the death of the internal optical drive (force external and just add a USB port) and the MB will pretty much transition into a more functional, cheaper MBA and the lowest 15" MBP will just drop down in price. The plastic MB can go altogether.
I'm considering a new MBA sometime next year to replace my current 1g MBA. Not for necessity's sake. I would like a larger drive (SSD/SATA). That is pretty much my only requirement. The graphics update would be icing. Nonetheless, I am quite happy with my current MBA.
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Why don't you switch out your HD for a larger one?
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True words to the end. He's really good at criticizing products he doesn't even own.
I own the first-gen MBA. By far the best laptop I've ever owned. It's my first Mac laptop. VMware/XP outperforms my prior Sony Vaio laptop running native XP. Figure that. My needs were more mobility than outright performance. Include the fact the aluminum construction has it built like a tank keeping my MBA from getting tweaked going from site to site. I haven't met one disgruntled MBA owner in my travels and there have been quite a few of them.
That's not to say an MBA is for everyone because it certainly isn't. But if mobility and good performance is what you need, the MBA delivers on its promise. Certain people (teckstud) put price above all else. You get what you pay for. All my other non-Apple laptops would have been showing signs of physical stress by now. My MBA still is as solid as the day I bought it.
As far as Teckstud's usual lame comments about netbooks, they truly suck. Our company bought a bunch of them for the mobile sales force based on exactly what Teckstud mentioned. They were cheap. Well, they are all sitting on a shelf in the admin's office gathering dust. The mobile forced refused to use them after about a week or two because the performance was horrible. Just like Teckstud's opinions.
Some people just will never learn.
Agreed, our 1st gen MBA outperforms our 1st gen iMac, even though iMac has faster video & processor (though it's 32bit). They aren't power houses, but they are stinking small & light.
I'd like to know if the newer MBA runs any cooler than the previous. Benchmarks test full out power performing intense tasks but they don't really test general speed improvements in performing less intense tasks. People buying MBA are usually looking for mobility & a machine that performs simpler office type tasks well
God this is awful- a lemon becomes a lemon with mold. And you all make fun of netbooks, even though they cost $500. Wh would anyone want to buy one of these anymore now that we have a 13" MacBookPro? The weight?
Nothing can match the MBA in its class, in terms of performance for its size/form factor. In fact, that's the whole point of the MBA: form.
And the decrease in speed is negligible (if we're to believe the test.) You won't notice it. You get some solid improvements to the new MBA, besides.
Netbooks are trashy recession-bait. Seriously. Gimped, cramped laptops. Taking a laptop, removing features, making it smaller, and then selling it for peanuts is nothing special. In fact, they're proving to be more trouble than they're worth.
Why would anyone want to buy an MBA?
Weight, thinness, the form factor.
Simply put, It's a thing of beauty that runs OS X. That has always been reason enough for me.
And all you do is comment on teckstud not adding to a topic while your 6 posts never added much either.
6 posts and you know him so well ??? you joined under more than one name ??
lol teckstud keeps this place rocking every oneon every topic answer his posts . or comment on his posts. Teckstud IS ALL YOU SLEEPY geek heads whipping boy who you would love to have a drink with in a bar .
enjoy your week end
9
He's probably a lurker, long-time reader. LOL, chill.
Nothing can match the MBA in its class, in terms of performance for its size/form factor. In fact, that's the whole point of the MBA: form.
There are the few other machines that copied it pretty much component-for-component, though ironically these non-Macs cost more than Apple?s solution. However, they do use carbon fiber and often have more ports so it may not be a bad trade off, except that Windows is considerably worse than Mac OS X when it comes to power management.
Agreed, our 1st gen MBA outperforms our 1st gen iMac, even though iMac has faster video & processor (though it's 32bit). They aren't power houses, but they are stinking small & light.
I'd like to know if the newer MBA runs any cooler than the previous. Benchmarks test full out power performing intense tasks but they don't really test general speed improvements in performing less intense tasks. People buying MBA are usually looking for mobility & a machine that performs simpler office type tasks well
I'm considering a new MBA sometime next year to replace my current 1g MBA. Not for necessity's sake. I would like a larger drive (SSD/SATA). That is pretty much my only requirement. The graphics update would be icing. Nonetheless, I am quite happy with my current MBA.
What is really annoying are self-anointed product critics (teckstud) that give opinions on products they don't even own and have maybe used for only a couple minutes at an Apple store. But hey, I have a friend, that has a friend, that has a neighbor, that is sleeping with their brother that heard the MBA sucks.... whatever...
Weight, thinness, the form factor.
Simply put, It's a thing of beauty that runs OS X. That has always been reason enough for me.
Exactly. I absolutely love my MBA. It's an astounding engineering feat, and it runs the best OS known to man.
He's probably a lurker, long-time reader. LOL, chill.
I am cool .
We will see.
peace my friend
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I feel pretty smug having just bought a used Rev B MBA cheap. It's a wonderful machine.
There are a lot of good used ones out there. I'm tempted to get a deal on a used one myself, but I'd rather buy new.
Every time I visit a Best Buy or an Apple Store I end up playing with the MBAs.
There are a lot of longtime readers of this forum that don’t become posters right away. Many of them know the “whipping boy”’s posts very well before registering.
Well i have 200.000 or more online posts . I have been in flame troll wars so bad that crashed EMI pink floyd site,people to this day years later still hate each other guts . So I know what is what to a point.
In truth no one really knows , do we?
Apple stud does not comment about apple he is like wilco in a way ,He comments about commenters .
And that is ok. What is not ok is too post here under more than one hat.
And teckstud is not per se a troll.
Anyway i am just saying, I don't really care that much .
peace to you my mentor
9
While the new low-end 1.86GHz model bested its 1.6GHz predecessor, outperforming it in most tests and recording a Speedmark score of 11 points higher at 156, the same couldn't be said for the new high-end 2.13GHz MacBook Air, which achieve a score of 175 -- a full 4 points lower than the previous-gen 1.86GHz model.
I guess what this means is, it's about time to roll out the four core ultra cool notebook processors, because these dual cores are topping out.
Snow Leopard, with Grand Central certainly has a play in this.
I suspect the next issue of MacBooks will be updates to the MBA's with 4 cores, SSD and SD.
I suspect a bum machine in these tests anyway, though there's not much difference between the old and new specs. No big deal.
I guess what this means is, it's about time to roll out the four core ultra cool notebook processors, because these dual cores are topping out.
Snow Leopard, with Grand Central certainly has a play in this.
I suspect the next issue of MacBooks will be updates to the MBA's with 4 cores, SSD and SD.
Are mobile C2Qs with a similar TPD the current C2Ds Apple uses even available yet?
PS: The new SL Beta 10a394 is out and it seems quicker. They have even made those Exposé changes and they have definitely made my use of it more efficient.
Weight, thinness, the form factor.
MBA has weight and thinness, but is lacking in form factor.
I'm typing on my PB G4 12" right now, while a brand new MBP 15" sits in the other room (similar in footprint to the MBA) simply because the G4 12" is a much more reasonable size for couch based web surfing, how I use a computer the majority of the time.
I really regret buying my MBP. I wish I would have built a hackentosh desktop to do my photo editing on and will eventually get an SSD for my G4 to speed it up and maintain it as my primary web surfing computer.
If apple ever creates a reasonably priced mid-tower Mac where I can swap out video cards but not mortgage my house I will be all over it. Same if they ever produce something to fill the gaping hole left by the PB G4 12"....
That's the ORIGINAL MBA. It is neither model discussed here. The overheating issue with the original was well documented and publicized and was solved in all later models. I'm sorry for your heat issue but it is not relevant to this particular discussion.
The problem was and is well documented and some improvements were made, but, there are still people who have had problems with overheating on the second generation. The problem is usually solved with coolbook, or in some instances the removal and re application of the thermal paste. While it seems apple has made great strides on thermal management it still is occasionally a problem on new machines. I am guessing here but the behavior of the machine suggests to me that the factory applied to much thermal paste which then acts as an insulator instead of a heat transfer medium. And the mba has a small thin heat sink and if it is not aligned properly that can cause heat problems as well. I would hope that they try another one as I suspect they would get better numbers.
And all you do is comment on teckstud not adding to a topic while your 6 posts never added much either.
6 posts and you know him so well ??? you joined under more than one name ??
lol teckstud keeps this place rocking every oneon every topic answer his posts . or comment on his posts. Teckstud IS ALL YOU SLEEPY geek heads whipping boy who you would love to have a drink with in a bar .
enjoy your week end
9
The lack of ports and optical drive mean it is best suited as a secondary computer for someone who owns an iMac, but it costs so much you are better off buying the 13-inch Macbook Pro which has more functionality at a lower price point.
Sure it is light and thin but it is not uniformly thin which negates the effect. It seems to have been designed entirely around the marketing material photos that emphasise the razor-thin edge.
It may suit business persons and some students for whom portability is a priority but realistically the 13-inch Macbook Pro is not that cumbersome to begin with.
If apple ever creates a reasonably priced mid-tower Mac where I can swap out video cards but not mortgage my house I will be all over it. Same if they ever produce something to fill the gaping hole left by the PB G4 12"....
I thought that when they only had white Macbooks but the unibody Macbooks are actually lighter than the 12" Powerbook. The only issue is that it's glossy.
Compared to the MBA, it's 4.5lbs vs 3.0lbs. Taking out the optical takes it to 4.0lbs and maybe less if they shuffle the insides. Plus it drops the cost by about $100 and the battery can be even bigger (10 hour life maybe).
2010 should bring the death of the internal optical drive (force external and just add a USB port) and the MB will pretty much transition into a more functional, cheaper MBA and the lowest 15" MBP will just drop down in price. The plastic MB can go altogether.
I'm considering a new MBA sometime next year to replace my current 1g MBA. Not for necessity's sake. I would like a larger drive (SSD/SATA). That is pretty much my only requirement. The graphics update would be icing. Nonetheless, I am quite happy with my current MBA.
...
Why don't you switch out your HD for a larger one?