Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
But it was never touted as a feature for Snow Leopard, AFAIC remember. And it would not be the first time Apple removes a feature because it is not deemed to be ready (or helpful in the current state) for the end user.
It's not just testing though - there's a bunch of stuff that isn't 64-bit yet, and resolution independence isn't there yet (so I've heard).
Well to my knowledge, all new coding is done (feature complete). So if there's a feature that isn't in there, its not going to be in there. If there's something that isn't 64-bit yet, then its not going to be when its released. From what I've seen in the past, a 2-3 month bug squash is pretty normal before a major OS release. Considering they do this for dot dot updates too, its amazing its not longer.
If its something like iTunes, that can be released at any time. Thats not attached to the OS anyways.
The new SL seed is quite nice, indeed. While I think the overall system performance has improved I can?t be certain, but I can tell that Exposé has gotten a lot more useful... and I don?t mean just the in-app Exposé feature.
The speed in which Exposé executes is faster and the way it groups windows is incredibly more intelligent than before. No longer will a smaller window be scaled down to a point which makes it impossible to read. Now all the windows will smaller or larger to allow for a more organized look.
Also, the text is now at the bottom of each window and a bright blue border appears with a mouse-over. As you can see in the picture minimized windows will appear as large thumbnails under non-minimized windows. If you look closely you can see a very subtle line dividing the active windows from the minimized windows.
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I thought QuickTime had a new icon? It shows in your dock as the current icon. Maybe this will be fixed in a later build?
lost connections on my new bluetooth mouse. and sometimes takes an age to wake up. have had to keep my apple mouse of the desktop as a result. to make matters worse it works flawlessly under bootcamp windows the bluetooth firmware update wasn't for my hardware. it's definitely a software issue. i tried going back to 10.5.6 but it didn't make a significant difference. seems others have been having problems and it's on the fixes list. this is the first time i've had a serious issue with a late edition update. praying it will be out in a few weeks and all fixed
Resolution Independence was never touted as a feature for Snow Leopard, and will definitely not be ready in the release timeframe.
As for 64-bit, most of the actual OS is now 64-bit. There are a few exceptions, eg iTunes, but otherwise, 64-bit top-to-bottom. iTunes will require a Cocoa based release for Snow Leopard. I'm holding out for a new release of iTunes (perhaps called "iTunes X") at the release of September Music event.
Those claiming this release doesn't have a 64bit kernel on all compatible hardware... I believe they're referring to builds before 10A380. I was led to believe the kernel is now 64bit default on all compatible hardware.
Graphics card have three components, under 10A380, 2 of the 3 components for supporting the Intel x3100 are still 32bit. I hope that it is due to 'yet to be finished' rather than Apple settling for a half-baked compromise. I'm going to give 394 a go when I wake up tomorrow - and see what it is like.
As for 64-bit, most of the actual OS is now 64-bit. There are a few exceptions, eg iTunes, but otherwise, 64-bit top-to-bottom.
Try doing "About this Mac" and click "more info" and then sort the Applications by the 64-bit column. There's a few things at least that look like they could/should be 64 but aren't.
Does the new Expose for all applications display windows in different spaces? Currently, it does not - it is space specific.
I don’t use Spaces so I hope I understand your query, but you may have to reword and give a specific example with detailed setup instructions for me to fully grasp. To test what I think you asked I started Spaces and put a bump of my running in it, then I gave them set spaces with Mail getting the “Every Space” slot. When I switches spaces only the apps for each space showed up in the set spaces with Mail showing up in all of them in the use of the window and while executing Exposé.
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Originally Posted by mcarling
Were 10.5.8 to be released soon, then a 10.5.9 release following Snow Leopard would become rather likely.
The last PPC based Mac, a Power Mac G5, was discontinued in August 2006. That will be just over 3 years when Snow Leopard releases. While 3 years is usually about the time Apple gives for update support those machines were expensive and can still be useful so it is my belief that they will have one more point release for Leopard after the SL hits. I really don’t have anything concrete to back that that up, it’s just a feeling, but I think we will get to 10.5.9 for Leopard.
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Originally Posted by ascii
It's not just testing though - there's a bunch of stuff that isn't 64-bit yet, and resolution independence isn't there yet (so I've heard).
The 64-bit stuff is pretty small at this point and I think the only difference it would make at this point would be Apple being able to market the OS was being completely 64-bit compatible. RI is so far from complete that it shouldn’t even be speculated until we start talking about 10.7.
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Originally Posted by PG4G
I believe they're referring to builds before 10A380. I was led to believe the kernel is now 64bit default on all compatible hardware.
I still can’t start up with a 64-bit kernel on a machine with an IGP and System Profile backs that up (which I should have looked for first0 stating that no 64-bit kernel and extensions.
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Originally Posted by mcarling
Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
Late for Leopard, but as previous stated not late for SL. They did state on their Leopard page prior to launching, "All features of Leopard are subject to change.” This happens so we shouldn’t ever get our expectations too high about Beta software. I recently did that with Safari 4 Beta’s tabs-on-top feature. C’est la vie
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Originally Posted by macxpress
I thought QuickTime had a new icon? It shows in your dock as the current icon. Maybe this will be fixed in a later build?
I haven’t seen any new QuickTime icon in SL. I’m guessing that the video we saw was from someone who altered his icons.
Regarding going through software update, I agree. I saw that and was very glad I didn't have to download another 6GB file.
And regarding Exposé, I can see the much improved layout, yes.
I'm suspecting that a) their layout algorithm wasn't quite up to scratch when they disked the WWDC version and b) they would have just built the implementation.
With the ramp-up to WWDC, the Apple guys have a lot of work on their plate and testing a new feature wasn't exactly easy under the constraints. I can appreciate that, and am glad as a developer they held back.
Yes, in all honesty, I haven't found any bugs. SL is very, very stable. I moved my MacBook Pro and Air to it, and all iPhone development is now done with it.
Nevertheless, a two month bug-find-and-fix party seems like a brilliant idea, and you'll be pleased with the improved quality. Leopard's release was, sadly, somewhat premature. Until 10.5.3, Leopard was close to unusable. Apple's current movements seem focused on "better, faster, smaller, simpler, stabler." In a software sense, each of these complement each other. Wait, and they may never have to release 10.6.1
As for why they don't allow non-ADC testers? Perhaps that's due to Apple trying to ensure that they don't release a product until they believe its good enough in their eyes. They won't want people complaining about software they installed, blaming Apple, when Apple clearly placed a "BETA" tag on it.
Some self-righteous idiots never learn.
I've found a bug; when I add British English from localisation and remove all the other languages, I reboot, click on spotlight and find that the results come up in Japanese:
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Resolution Independence was never touted as a feature for Snow Leopard, and will definitely not be ready in the release timeframe.
Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
Perhaps so, but Apple reserves the right to remove features advertised before it ships...
And you do realize how hard it is to actually do resolution independence?
Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
But it was never touted as a feature for Snow Leopard, AFAIC remember. And it would not be the first time Apple removes a feature because it is not deemed to be ready (or helpful in the current state) for the end user.
It's not just testing though - there's a bunch of stuff that isn't 64-bit yet, and resolution independence isn't there yet (so I've heard).
Well to my knowledge, all new coding is done (feature complete). So if there's a feature that isn't in there, its not going to be in there. If there's something that isn't 64-bit yet, then its not going to be when its released. From what I've seen in the past, a 2-3 month bug squash is pretty normal before a major OS release. Considering they do this for dot dot updates too, its amazing its not longer.
If its something like iTunes, that can be released at any time. Thats not attached to the OS anyways.
And you do realize how hard it is to actually do resolution independence?
Tell us how hard it is to "do" resolution independence.
The new SL seed is quite nice, indeed. While I think the overall system performance has improved I can?t be certain, but I can tell that Exposé has gotten a lot more useful... and I don?t mean just the in-app Exposé feature.
The speed in which Exposé executes is faster and the way it groups windows is incredibly more intelligent than before. No longer will a smaller window be scaled down to a point which makes it impossible to read. Now all the windows will smaller or larger to allow for a more organized look.
Also, the text is now at the bottom of each window and a bright blue border appears with a mouse-over. As you can see in the picture minimized windows will appear as large thumbnails under non-minimized windows. If you look closely you can see a very subtle line dividing the active windows from the minimized windows.
I thought QuickTime had a new icon? It shows in your dock as the current icon. Maybe this will be fixed in a later build?
Tell us how hard it is to "do" resolution independence.
... I'm going to imagine you didn't say that...
Nice Transmission icon there in the dock
Where's the image of the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano?
Which issues are these? What's losing connection?
Did you apply the bluetooth firmware update?
lost connections on my new bluetooth mouse. and sometimes takes an age to wake up. have had to keep my apple mouse of the desktop as a result. to make matters worse it works flawlessly under bootcamp windows
PLEASEEE!
Tell us how hard it is to "do" resolution independence.
can you do this ???
mirror mirror on the wall
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Resolution Independence was never touted as a feature for Snow Leopard, and will definitely not be ready in the release timeframe.
As for 64-bit, most of the actual OS is now 64-bit. There are a few exceptions, eg iTunes, but otherwise, 64-bit top-to-bottom. iTunes will require a Cocoa based release for Snow Leopard. I'm holding out for a new release of iTunes (perhaps called "iTunes X") at the release of September Music event.
Those claiming this release doesn't have a 64bit kernel on all compatible hardware... I believe they're referring to builds before 10A380. I was led to believe the kernel is now 64bit default on all compatible hardware.
Graphics card have three components, under 10A380, 2 of the 3 components for supporting the Intel x3100 are still 32bit. I hope that it is due to 'yet to be finished' rather than Apple settling for a half-baked compromise. I'm going to give 394 a go when I wake up tomorrow - and see what it is like.
As for 64-bit, most of the actual OS is now 64-bit. There are a few exceptions, eg iTunes, but otherwise, 64-bit top-to-bottom.
Try doing "About this Mac" and click "more info" and then sort the Applications by the 64-bit column. There's a few things at least that look like they could/should be 64 but aren't.
Does the new Expose for all applications display windows in different spaces? Currently, it does not - it is space specific.
I don’t use Spaces so I hope I understand your query, but you may have to reword and give a specific example with detailed setup instructions for me to fully grasp. To test what I think you asked I started Spaces and put a bump of my running in it, then I gave them set spaces with Mail getting the “Every Space” slot. When I switches spaces only the apps for each space showed up in the set spaces with Mail showing up in all of them in the use of the window and while executing Exposé.
Were 10.5.8 to be released soon, then a 10.5.9 release following Snow Leopard would become rather likely.
The last PPC based Mac, a Power Mac G5, was discontinued in August 2006. That will be just over 3 years when Snow Leopard releases. While 3 years is usually about the time Apple gives for update support those machines were expensive and can still be useful so it is my belief that they will have one more point release for Leopard after the SL hits. I really don’t have anything concrete to back that that up, it’s just a feeling, but I think we will get to 10.5.9 for Leopard.
It's not just testing though - there's a bunch of stuff that isn't 64-bit yet, and resolution independence isn't there yet (so I've heard).
The 64-bit stuff is pretty small at this point and I think the only difference it would make at this point would be Apple being able to market the OS was being completely 64-bit compatible. RI is so far from complete that it shouldn’t even be speculated until we start talking about 10.7.
I believe they're referring to builds before 10A380. I was led to believe the kernel is now 64bit default on all compatible hardware.
I still can’t start up with a 64-bit kernel on a machine with an IGP and System Profile backs that up (which I should have looked for first0 stating that no 64-bit kernel and extensions.
Resolution Independence was touted as a feature for Leopard (10.5.0), so it's still late.
Late for Leopard, but as previous stated not late for SL. They did state on their Leopard page prior to launching, "All features of Leopard are subject to change.” This happens so we shouldn’t ever get our expectations too high about Beta software. I recently did that with Safari 4 Beta’s tabs-on-top feature. C’est la vie
I thought QuickTime had a new icon? It shows in your dock as the current icon. Maybe this will be fixed in a later build?
I haven’t seen any new QuickTime icon in SL. I’m guessing that the video we saw was from someone who altered his icons.
Nice Transmission icon there in the dock
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Where's the image of the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano?
Buggati Veyron is simply the coolest car ever.
I'm running the SL update now on my 13" Macbook Pro.
OK, how about read + write access to FTP in the Finder?
The network drive handling is just as bad as always. Beachballs up the wazoo.
Regarding going through software update, I agree. I saw that and was very glad I didn't have to download another 6GB file.
And regarding Exposé, I can see the much improved layout, yes.
I'm suspecting that a) their layout algorithm wasn't quite up to scratch when they disked the WWDC version and b) they would have just built the implementation.
With the ramp-up to WWDC, the Apple guys have a lot of work on their plate and testing a new feature wasn't exactly easy under the constraints. I can appreciate that, and am glad as a developer they held back.
Yes, in all honesty, I haven't found any bugs. SL is very, very stable. I moved my MacBook Pro and Air to it, and all iPhone development is now done with it.
Nevertheless, a two month bug-find-and-fix party seems like a brilliant idea, and you'll be pleased with the improved quality. Leopard's release was, sadly, somewhat premature. Until 10.5.3, Leopard was close to unusable. Apple's current movements seem focused on "better, faster, smaller, simpler, stabler." In a software sense, each of these complement each other. Wait, and they may never have to release 10.6.1
As for why they don't allow non-ADC testers? Perhaps that's due to Apple trying to ensure that they don't release a product until they believe its good enough in their eyes. They won't want people complaining about software they installed, blaming Apple, when Apple clearly placed a "BETA" tag on it.
Some self-righteous idiots never learn.
I've found a bug; when I add British English from localisation and remove all the other languages, I reboot, click on spotlight and find that the results come up in Japanese: