Now that Steve is the majority stockholder at Disneypixar, he should insist on the correct course of action and enable downloaded content to be burned to a DVD! He needs to be the one leading the charge. Once a major studio gives the OK to do that, the others will fall in line.
You mean like they've all fallen in line now that I see on the Movie store?
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Originally Posted by ecking
I say fuck digital distribution period. Let hd-dvd beat blu-ray because I'm afriad of sony's tight ass tacktics when it comes to drm.
Blu-Ray isn't Sony's format much more than DVD is Warner Brother's format.
$hit like this makes me want to pirate movies just to screw the film companies, cause they keep on trying to screw us! And look at the alternatives, keep selling on DVDs and keep watching as movies get put on the internet from those DVDs
Its PR posturing from the studios, just like that clown from Universal. They all understand that Apple could potentially 'own' ALL of them in five to ten years time. I imagine Apple confuses the hell out of them with its total lockdown of pre-negotiation info.
What the hell are they talking about? Apple doesn't have a problem with anyone stealing music, TV shows or movies. Why would they have any problems with digital movie thefts from movies sold through iTunes? The answer is, they wouldn't. The whole thing is BS.
The problem with music was someone would rip a CD and put the tunes out on the Web for all to download for free. Same with DVDs. Someone would rip a DVD and put a movie out there as a digital download. It isn't Apple's fault, isn't Apple's problem. I'm sure Jobs & co. are in the process of explaining the facts of life to these idiots.
Now, about that stupid Universal thing. Fat chance they'll get a piece of the iPod profits. Jobs should tell them to go pluck themselves. MS made a huge mistake with the Zune but I don't think Apple will follow suit.
BTW, thinking about the movie biz, some local theaters in the DC area are closing. As more people get HDTVs and eventually get HD DVD players and HD movie downloads, the movie theater biz will dry up and it's in the process of doing that now. It won't be too long before more and more movies are made direct to disc and/or download.
… before they agree to make their flicks available on the company's iTunes download service.
Amazing how Cover Flow is allready creating a new language! iTunes is the new Leopard. And it's gonna find its way to the new iPhoto, Finder and Address book … 8)
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The studios -- Universal, 20th Century Fox, Paramount and Warner Bros -- are all in talks with the iPod maker, according to the Financial Times, but are demanding that company limit the number of devices that can use a film once it's purchased and downloaded from iTunes.
Ha! they will go all bananas when Apple is gonna release their much rumoured ghost phone.
And PDA, and iTv! Their movies are gonna be all over the place!!!
So many good points have already been brought up. Just a couple more thoughts to add:
First: Part of the rising cost of movies is because the industry chooses to use "superstar" actors. There are so many other actors out there that are equally as good, if not better than the big names... except the industry is too stubborn to try this *slightly* riskier approach. They would very likely save money in the long-run.
Second: The DVD is a versative piece of equipment. It can be played on a huge number of devices... your DVD player, your friends' DVD players, your computer's DVD drive, etc. The only thing you can't do legally with a DVD is rip it to your computer or make copies in any other way. Why, then, should we be robbed by being limited to 5 iTunes-equipped and owner-varified COMPUTERS (although iTV/TelePort will likely change this)? PLUS, the movie is of lesser quality. The industries might be afraid of piracy, yes, but they should be less afraid of iTunes content than physical DVDs. It's very likely that anyone who is computer savvy enough to run an iTunes movie through a DRM cracker would also be savvy enough to simply rip the DVDs they own... and perhaps the most savviest of users will forego buying all together and order/rip from NetFlix. So there are more prominent enemies for the studios to lash out against besides Apple.
In the industy's defense, since it is their copyrighted content, they technically get to set the rules. They're just being unreasonable about where they're deciding to be strict about it. This whole issue is a perfect example of "The harder you squeeze wet sand, the more slips through your fingers."
First: Part of the rising cost of movies is because the industry chooses to use "superstar" actors. There are so many other actors out there that are equally as good, if not better than the big names... except the industry is too stubborn to try this *slightly* riskier approach. They would very likely save money in the long-run.
It would be hard to argue for or against that without having any actual data about whether having them in the movie helps sell tickets or DVDs. My guess is that they probably have that.
these people really are dumb. Distribution is a service. They don't realize that and they dont see people will pay for that service if it is done right. net flix has realized that and created a great model. Apple could do the same with a download netflix type service. But they can also offer download files like they do now. I don't see why any restriction should be placed on teh download that is not placed on the actual dvd. As you all have mentioned it is easier and better quality to rip the netflix dvd than the Apple download.
What the movie studios really want is a secret code in each and every downloaded movie that causes the purchaser's head to explode if he (or she) even thinks about making an illegal copy.
I hope Apple and Steve Jobs are holding up. As soon as at least one more major studio signs and shows that the model works and that people buy the movies online and they don't loose that much on DVD sales, that's when the other studios will view it like "they can't afford not to be on iTunes."
A DVD is playable on any DVD player with the right region settings. Just bring the freaking disk and play it. A digital movie should behave somewhat like that. I'd say ok, restrict it to 5 computers or any authorized iPod. Just bring an iPod video and play it on someone's iTV or Mac from the authorized iPod. That would make the movie portable between friends, but it wouldn't spread. Now get to it..
Idea here. Although I'm new and maybe it's out there, forgive me.
Can independent artists post music to iTunes. Much like YouTube? If they could create an account with iTunes as a 'provider', then iTunes could pay them a royalty directly. This way it skips the bone heads at major music labels. iTunes could be a richer source of music if anyone could post.
The most logical source of pirate DVDs is the factories where the DVDs are made. They are invariably located in developing nations where virtually nobody can afford to pay US prices for anything. The manufacturers can probably make as much money selling DVDs out the back door as they get from the studios (huge contracts usually have very low profit margins).
However, physical DVDs are being replaced with digital files that can be transfered quickly across the internet and those digital files are showing up before anyone has even started manufacturing DVDs. Casino Royale was available on the internet during its first week of theatrical release
Clearly there are leaks very high up the distribution chain. If the movie studios can't stop those then they need to accept that the piracy war is over and the pirates, as expected, have won. The only way to sell their content now is to make it easier and "cheaper" to obtain than an illegal copy.
The iTunes Music Store works because searching is easy, downloads are fast and the music and TV content is reasonably priced. Disney movies are the type of thing the kids will watch repeatedly so the price isn't too bad for them. I can't justify buying most movies because I'll only watch them twice.
It would be hard to argue for or against that without having any actual data about whether having them in the movie helps sell tickets or DVDs. My guess is that they probably have that.
All-star actors were just one example of costly decisions that the industries make... and I'm sure you're right, at least in some light. Yes, they may help to sell movies, but think about huge "all-star cast" movies... would it be any riskier if there's only one star to sell the movie, and a bunch of competent but lesser-known actors? Think of the hundreds of millions the producers of The Departed had to pay for Aflek, DiCaprio, Nicholson, Sheen, etc. In my opinion, the movie could held either Aflek and/or Nicholson, would have been just as good, and would have sold just as well. Yet, Hollywood keeps trying to cram as many stars into every single film it defecates these days.
But you're right, you can't argue concretely in either direction. I, personally, would like to see a broader range of actors in Hollywood, not the same eight over and over again. Ben Stiller, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Julia Roberts, Owen Wilson, Vince Vaughn, Steve Carell, Johnny Depp... At least one of these 8 are in 90% of films these days. Some fresh blood would be nice. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that... so Hollywood should get the picture (pun intended \).
How else do you, as a customer, show the studios that they 'jsut don't get it'
Untill a cheap, fair alternative is avalible people will Bittorrent. It's Just that Simple.
Albeit "films" (most of what they crap out could not be called this) do have high production costs, but guess what, for piracy they have big bandwidth costs as well. The time/frustration barrier of downloading a movie is much higher than a mp3. SO, if they were to offer a cheap, fair alternative to Bittorrent etc. people would use it.
The thing is they don't WANT anybody to downlod period (hence shite quality, dragging feet and heavy DRM). Why? BLu-Ray etc. With 1080 It is hoped people will re-buy their DVD collection, and the studiios can charge $25-30 for the HD wonderfulness per disc. If they offered a viable alternative to that on iTunes (720p, play anywhere) at a reasonable price, A) apple would be slicing into the margin and cutting per transaction profit heavy investment in the new disc formats would out the window C) "piracy" concerns (unfounded) would scare them all - I mean its going on tubes! to peoples homes! and D) their distribution channels would loose it.
meh, but whatever, skrew em'
Any industry that profits as excessivley as the movie studios by making (more often than not) complete bollocks movies push marketed, and then pleads pain of piracy on the backs of techies/sound crew that don't get medical benifits because of teh big bad 'criminal' terrorosit' pirates....should be flushd down the torrent of bits.....
AND its NOT PIracy: Internaitonal Piracy is forcefully capturing goods (as in teh end user doesn't get them) or randsoming people on teh high seas!! - punishible under INt. Law. This is copyright infringment. A fcking misdameanor - like recording off the radio...except, you now live in the land of ones and zeros MPAA nut bars....where you actually have to be switched on and move ahead to keep your profits coming in, ....this aint' FM radio repression time anymore (look it up).....power to the people and all that blah balh...
phew...OK....jsut had to get that out apperently....
Now, about that stupid Universal thing. Fat chance they'll get a piece of the iPod profits. Jobs should tell them to go pluck themselves. MS made a huge mistake with the Zune but I don't think Apple will follow suit.
Now I suppose they will be going to all the CD, DVD and VHS player manufacturers and asking for a cut because people will be playing pirated content on those players as well.
Blu-Ray isn't Sony's format much more than DVD is Warner Brother's format.
I hope not man, I'm just worried they'll become the studio's champion and present them with the ultimate drm that they can integrate into blu-ray disks. I'm just paranoid is all.
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Now that Steve is the majority stockholder at Disneypixar, he should insist on the correct course of action and enable downloaded content to be burned to a DVD! He needs to be the one leading the charge. Once a major studio gives the OK to do that, the others will fall in line.
You mean like they've all fallen in line now that I see on the Movie store?
I say fuck digital distribution period. Let hd-dvd beat blu-ray because I'm afriad of sony's tight ass tacktics when it comes to drm.
Blu-Ray isn't Sony's format much more than DVD is Warner Brother's format.
I would LOVE to be in those meetings.
The problem with music was someone would rip a CD and put the tunes out on the Web for all to download for free. Same with DVDs. Someone would rip a DVD and put a movie out there as a digital download. It isn't Apple's fault, isn't Apple's problem. I'm sure Jobs & co. are in the process of explaining the facts of life to these idiots.
Now, about that stupid Universal thing. Fat chance they'll get a piece of the iPod profits. Jobs should tell them to go pluck themselves. MS made a huge mistake with the Zune but I don't think Apple will follow suit.
BTW, thinking about the movie biz, some local theaters in the DC area are closing. As more people get HDTVs and eventually get HD DVD players and HD movie downloads, the movie theater biz will dry up and it's in the process of doing that now. It won't be too long before more and more movies are made direct to disc and/or download.
8)
… before they agree to make their flicks available on the company's iTunes download service.
Amazing how Cover Flow is allready creating a new language! iTunes is the new Leopard. And it's gonna find its way to the new iPhoto, Finder and Address book … 8)
The studios -- Universal, 20th Century Fox, Paramount and Warner Bros -- are all in talks with the iPod maker, according to the Financial Times, but are demanding that company limit the number of devices that can use a film once it's purchased and downloaded from iTunes.
Ha! they will go all bananas when Apple is gonna release their much rumoured ghost phone.
And PDA, and iTv! Their movies are gonna be all over the place!!!
First: Part of the rising cost of movies is because the industry chooses to use "superstar" actors. There are so many other actors out there that are equally as good, if not better than the big names... except the industry is too stubborn to try this *slightly* riskier approach. They would very likely save money in the long-run.
Second: The DVD is a versative piece of equipment. It can be played on a huge number of devices... your DVD player, your friends' DVD players, your computer's DVD drive, etc. The only thing you can't do legally with a DVD is rip it to your computer or make copies in any other way. Why, then, should we be robbed by being limited to 5 iTunes-equipped and owner-varified COMPUTERS (although iTV/TelePort will likely change this)? PLUS, the movie is of lesser quality. The industries might be afraid of piracy, yes, but they should be less afraid of iTunes content than physical DVDs. It's very likely that anyone who is computer savvy enough to run an iTunes movie through a DRM cracker would also be savvy enough to simply rip the DVDs they own... and perhaps the most savviest of users will forego buying all together and order/rip from NetFlix. So there are more prominent enemies for the studios to lash out against besides Apple.
In the industy's defense, since it is their copyrighted content, they technically get to set the rules. They're just being unreasonable about where they're deciding to be strict about it. This whole issue is a perfect example of "The harder you squeeze wet sand, the more slips through your fingers."
-Clive
First: Part of the rising cost of movies is because the industry chooses to use "superstar" actors. There are so many other actors out there that are equally as good, if not better than the big names... except the industry is too stubborn to try this *slightly* riskier approach. They would very likely save money in the long-run.
It would be hard to argue for or against that without having any actual data about whether having them in the movie helps sell tickets or DVDs. My guess is that they probably have that.
A DVD is playable on any DVD player with the right region settings. Just bring the freaking disk and play it. A digital movie should behave somewhat like that. I'd say ok, restrict it to 5 computers or any authorized iPod. Just bring an iPod video and play it on someone's iTV or Mac from the authorized iPod. That would make the movie portable between friends, but it wouldn't spread. Now get to it..
Can independent artists post music to iTunes. Much like YouTube? If they could create an account with iTunes as a 'provider', then iTunes could pay them a royalty directly. This way it skips the bone heads at major music labels. iTunes could be a richer source of music if anyone could post.
However, physical DVDs are being replaced with digital files that can be transfered quickly across the internet and those digital files are showing up before anyone has even started manufacturing DVDs. Casino Royale was available on the internet during its first week of theatrical release
Clearly there are leaks very high up the distribution chain. If the movie studios can't stop those then they need to accept that the piracy war is over and the pirates, as expected, have won. The only way to sell their content now is to make it easier and "cheaper" to obtain than an illegal copy.
The iTunes Music Store works because searching is easy, downloads are fast and the music and TV content is reasonably priced. Disney movies are the type of thing the kids will watch repeatedly so the price isn't too bad for them. I can't justify buying most movies because I'll only watch them twice.
It would be hard to argue for or against that without having any actual data about whether having them in the movie helps sell tickets or DVDs. My guess is that they probably have that.
All-star actors were just one example of costly decisions that the industries make... and I'm sure you're right, at least in some light. Yes, they may help to sell movies, but think about huge "all-star cast" movies... would it be any riskier if there's only one star to sell the movie, and a bunch of competent but lesser-known actors? Think of the hundreds of millions the producers of The Departed had to pay for Aflek, DiCaprio, Nicholson, Sheen, etc. In my opinion, the movie could held either Aflek and/or Nicholson, would have been just as good, and would have sold just as well. Yet, Hollywood keeps trying to cram as many stars into every single film it defecates these days.
But you're right, you can't argue concretely in either direction. I, personally, would like to see a broader range of actors in Hollywood, not the same eight over and over again. Ben Stiller, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Julia Roberts, Owen Wilson, Vince Vaughn, Steve Carell, Johnny Depp... At least one of these 8 are in 90% of films these days. Some fresh blood would be nice. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that... so Hollywood should get the picture (pun intended
-Clive
How else do you, as a customer, show the studios that they 'jsut don't get it'
Untill a cheap, fair alternative is avalible people will Bittorrent. It's Just that Simple.
Albeit "films" (most of what they crap out could not be called this) do have high production costs, but guess what, for piracy they have big bandwidth costs as well. The time/frustration barrier of downloading a movie is much higher than a mp3. SO, if they were to offer a cheap, fair alternative to Bittorrent etc. people would use it.
The thing is they don't WANT anybody to downlod period (hence shite quality, dragging feet and heavy DRM). Why? BLu-Ray etc. With 1080 It is hoped people will re-buy their DVD collection, and the studiios can charge $25-30 for the HD wonderfulness per disc. If they offered a viable alternative to that on iTunes (720p, play anywhere) at a reasonable price, A) apple would be slicing into the margin and cutting per transaction profit
meh, but whatever, skrew em'
Any industry that profits as excessivley as the movie studios by making (more often than not) complete bollocks movies push marketed, and then pleads pain of piracy on the backs of techies/sound crew that don't get medical benifits because of teh big bad 'criminal' terrorosit' pirates....should be flushd down the torrent of bits.....
AND its NOT PIracy: Internaitonal Piracy is forcefully capturing goods (as in teh end user doesn't get them) or randsoming people on teh high seas!! - punishible under INt. Law. This is copyright infringment. A fcking misdameanor - like recording off the radio...except, you now live in the land of ones and zeros MPAA nut bars....where you actually have to be switched on and move ahead to keep your profits coming in, ....this aint' FM radio repression time anymore (look it up).....power to the people and all that blah balh...
phew...OK....jsut had to get that out apperently....
Now, about that stupid Universal thing. Fat chance they'll get a piece of the iPod profits. Jobs should tell them to go pluck themselves. MS made a huge mistake with the Zune but I don't think Apple will follow suit.
Now I suppose they will be going to all the CD, DVD and VHS player manufacturers and asking for a cut because people will be playing pirated content on those players as well.
I agree with the studios. I think iTunes movie downloads should be 100% piracy-proof.
Just like DVDs!
Apple should just buy NetFlix and be done with it.
They could integrate NetFlix right into iTunes.
You set up your viewing list in iTunes.
Apple sends you the DVD.
You download HandBrake.
You rip the movie to your HD...DRM free
You watch it on your iTV
You send back the DVD.
I guarantee the studios will be breaking down Steve's door and begging him to go digital.
DVDs are the industry's achilles heel.
Blu-Ray isn't Sony's format much more than DVD is Warner Brother's format.
I hope not man, I'm just worried they'll become the studio's champion and present them with the ultimate drm that they can integrate into blu-ray disks. I'm just paranoid is all.