Sometimes when you reply to someone, it places the post above the post that you replied to.
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Originally Posted by meelash
ARRRRGGHHH, What the hell is with the time stamps being all screwed UP? EVery time I quick reply I get told that I just posted less than ten seconds ago.
can someone help me get my head around this, currently itunes will not let you sync two ipods to the same itunes library, are we going to be able to sync the same library to both an ipod and an iphone?
I don't know why you can't do this. I can (although only one can hold the whole library, but I sync a couple of playlists and podcasts to my nano). Even with both plugged in at the same time.
For other providers to get in on the action, Apple would have to revise the activation process amongst other things. It is all programmed in the software.
Yeah, I'm sure that for the activation process it will only work with Cingular since, as I mentioned, the condition of buying an iPhone is that you sign up for a contract with them.
However, after you've activated the phone (and thus signed the contract), say you want to pay the fee and break the contract? That's certainly an option you have as a paying customer. So you call Cingular and do it.
Now, you have your activated and working iPhone, but you've cancelled your service agreement (legally). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights, and it shouldn't hinder all the other things you do with the iPhone at all.
Kinda makes you wonder what those slackers who work at the cell stores are actually doing for the 30 minutes they sit at the computer without addressing you as they activate your phone, doesn't it?
Seriously though, while this is great news for initial sales per hour, getting a customer out of your store as quickly as possible isn't generally the goal in retail....
I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights.
Probably the only person that is going to go along with your thinking is a lawyer.
Kinda makes you wonder what those slackers who work at the cell stores are actually doing for the 30 minutes they sit at the computer without addressing you as they activate your phone, doesn't it?
Seriously though, while this is great news for initial sales per hour, getting a customer out of your store as quickly as possible isn't generally the goal in retail....
Unless the line is so long you have to implement 'crowd control' measures. If everyone is lined up for an iPhone, isn't knowing you're pulling 5-600 per person enough to make everyone move that line as fast as possible? I couldn't imagine anyone not buying an iPhone sticking around in a mobbed ATT store anyway as they aren't going to get great service.
Unless the line is so long you have to implement 'crowd control' measures. If everyone is lined up for an iPhone, isn't knowing you're pulling 5-600 per person enough to make everyone move that line as fast as possible? I couldn't imagine anyone not buying an iPhone sticking around in a mobbed ATT store anyway as they aren't going to get great service.
True, of course, but still - accessories are hugely profitable. This won't help those sales - sure most of the sales will happen eventually, but to my thinking, there's nothing like spending $600 on a phone to make a $150 headset look like an insignificant extra expense. After a good night's sleep that $150 headset might start looking pricey next to the $50 one
Yeah, I'm sure that for the activation process it will only work with Cingular since, as I mentioned, the condition of buying an iPhone is that you sign up for a contract with them.
However, after you've activated the phone (and thus signed the contract), say you want to pay the fee and break the contract? That's certainly an option you have as a paying customer. So you call Cingular and do it.
Now, you have your activated and working iPhone, but you've cancelled your service agreement (legally). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights, and it shouldn't hinder all the other things you do with the iPhone at all.
In the video, it shows iTunes displaying your phone number. I would assume, since you can't exactly.. use that number with a different carrier, that they've somehow bound the number to the activated phone. That way, when you stick a different SIM card in the phone, it's gonna say "Hey dude.. thats the wrong SIM card. Nice try, but we thought different. AT&T ONLY, BIOTCH."
...or some similar message.
I would assume it writes it to the phone's OS somehow.
Just my guess. If I'm wrong... congrats, T-Mobile customers.
Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval.
I don't know why you can't do this. I can (although only one can hold the whole library, but I sync a couple of playlists and podcasts to my nano). Even with both plugged in at the same time.
even songs bought from the itunes music store? i was thinking that this was not permitted on DRMed media, but i hopefully im wrong
"Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
It is meant to be read, "Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features and the iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
Sprint and Verizon already let people activate their phones online "in the comfort and privacy of their own home or office, without having to wait in a store while their phone is activated". With Verizon, people can either go to their web site on your computer, or dial *228 on the phone and follow the instructions "in the comfort and privacy of their own home or office, without having to wait in a store while their phone is activated". What does using a phone have to do with an iTunes store account?
"Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
It is meant to be read, "Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features and the iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
Actually I think you're interpreting his post quite wrongly. He's amazed, as am I, that you need to activate the iPhone via AT&T in order to even just use it as an iPod.
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ARRRRGGHHH, What the hell is with the time stamps being all screwed UP? EVery time I quick reply I get told that I just posted less than ten seconds ago.
can someone help me get my head around this, currently itunes will not let you sync two ipods to the same itunes library, are we going to be able to sync the same library to both an ipod and an iphone?
I don't know why you can't do this. I can (although only one can hold the whole library, but I sync a couple of playlists and podcasts to my nano). Even with both plugged in at the same time.
For other providers to get in on the action, Apple would have to revise the activation process amongst other things. It is all programmed in the software.
Yeah, I'm sure that for the activation process it will only work with Cingular since, as I mentioned, the condition of buying an iPhone is that you sign up for a contract with them.
However, after you've activated the phone (and thus signed the contract), say you want to pay the fee and break the contract? That's certainly an option you have as a paying customer. So you call Cingular and do it.
Now, you have your activated and working iPhone, but you've cancelled your service agreement (legally). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights, and it shouldn't hinder all the other things you do with the iPhone at all.
Seriously though, while this is great news for initial sales per hour, getting a customer out of your store as quickly as possible isn't generally the goal in retail....
I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights.
Probably the only person that is going to go along with your thinking is a lawyer.
Kinda makes you wonder what those slackers who work at the cell stores are actually doing for the 30 minutes they sit at the computer without addressing you as they activate your phone, doesn't it?
Seriously though, while this is great news for initial sales per hour, getting a customer out of your store as quickly as possible isn't generally the goal in retail....
Unless the line is so long you have to implement 'crowd control' measures. If everyone is lined up for an iPhone, isn't knowing you're pulling 5-600 per person enough to make everyone move that line as fast as possible? I couldn't imagine anyone not buying an iPhone sticking around in a mobbed ATT store anyway as they aren't going to get great service.
Probably the only person that is going to go along with your thinking is your lawyer.
Either him or one of the computer hardware engineers I know...
Unless the line is so long you have to implement 'crowd control' measures. If everyone is lined up for an iPhone, isn't knowing you're pulling 5-600 per person enough to make everyone move that line as fast as possible? I couldn't imagine anyone not buying an iPhone sticking around in a mobbed ATT store anyway as they aren't going to get great service.
True, of course, but still - accessories are hugely profitable. This won't help those sales - sure most of the sales will happen eventually, but to my thinking, there's nothing like spending $600 on a phone to make a $150 headset look like an insignificant extra expense. After a good night's sleep that $150 headset might start looking pricey next to the $50 one
Yeah, I'm sure that for the activation process it will only work with Cingular since, as I mentioned, the condition of buying an iPhone is that you sign up for a contract with them.
However, after you've activated the phone (and thus signed the contract), say you want to pay the fee and break the contract? That's certainly an option you have as a paying customer. So you call Cingular and do it.
Now, you have your activated and working iPhone, but you've cancelled your service agreement (legally). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to switch your phone to another service provider (even if it means needing to unlock it). That should be well within your consumer rights, and it shouldn't hinder all the other things you do with the iPhone at all.
In the video, it shows iTunes displaying your phone number. I would assume, since you can't exactly.. use that number with a different carrier, that they've somehow bound the number to the activated phone. That way, when you stick a different SIM card in the phone, it's gonna say "Hey dude.. thats the wrong SIM card. Nice try, but we thought different. AT&T ONLY, BIOTCH."
...or some similar message.
I would assume it writes it to the phone's OS somehow.
Just my guess. If I'm wrong... congrats, T-Mobile customers.
Hey dude.. thats the wrong SIM card. Nice try, but we thought different. AT&T ONLY, BIOTCH.
...or some similar message.
No, I'm sure that'll be the exact message
Either him or one of the computer hardware engineers I know...
Just to be sure, I would bet the farm that there is no SIM card for the iPhone. It doesn't use one period.
Either him or one of the computer hardware engineers I know...
Just to be sure, I would bet the farm that there is no SIM card for the iPhone. It doesn't have a slot for one. It doesn't use one period.
Apparently you CAN do it via iTunes -- transfer your number. Now that is pretty cool:
Excellent example of why I love Apple!
Just to be sure, I would bet the farm that there is no SIM card for the iPhone. It doesn't have a slot for one. It doesn't use one period.
Sure it does. They could get away with that in the US but going global would require one. Their is a slot in the top for the SIM.
Just to be sure, I would bet the farm that there is no SIM card for the iPhone. It doesn't have a slot for one. It doesn't use one period.
Umm can I have your farm then please? The iPhone DOES have a SIM slot.
Watch the keynote again!
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Have you guys seen this:
Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval.
It's on the AT&T rate plans webpage:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
I don't know why you can't do this. I can (although only one can hold the whole library, but I sync a couple of playlists and podcasts to my nano). Even with both plugged in at the same time.
even songs bought from the itunes music store? i was thinking that this was not permitted on DRMed media, but i hopefully im wrong
Wow, that is crap.
You are interpreting the quote wrongly.
"Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
It is meant to be read, "Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features and the iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
You are interpreting the quote wrongly.
"Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
It is meant to be read, "Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features and the iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
Actually I think you're interpreting his post quite wrongly. He's amazed, as am I, that you need to activate the iPhone via AT&T in order to even just use it as an iPod.