Having the ability to use 3rd party apps in of itself is great, but the usefulness of those apps need to start from a great OS and a great UI design. This is the start for the iPhone building a stong OS and UI foundation.
But no I won't be installing hacks into my iPhone.
And then trades it for a new car. I believe there was an article on MSN this morning about a person that traded an unlocked iphone for a car.
wow, maybe I should trade mine for a car and then just buy another one and unlock it? Even with the shortage of TurboSIMs, I could ruin a heck of a lot of phones trying to solder-unlock them for that much money. People have already figured out how to do it without soldering using pins.
I have a Palm 755p, a much more recent offering from Palm than the 650 used in this comparison. And last I checked, my monthly plan from Sprint for my Palm 755p is actually $54.99 for 450 minutes of talk and unlimited data--$5 cheaper than the cheapest AT&T iPhone plan. And my phone purchase was heavily subsidized by Sprint.
Don't get me wrong, the iPhone looks pretty dang cool...but until 3rd party apps are available, its just not a viable option for me.
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
Having the ability to use 3rd party apps in of itself is great, but the usefulness of those apps need to start from a great OS and a great UI design. This is the start for the iPhone building a stong OS and UI foundation.
But no I won't be installing hacks into my iPhone.
Not sure how many developers will follow that. but a lot of the 3rd party apps I've used have a pretty decent interface (even if they don't work too well yet).
smart phones on average are mostly for corporate use
That's not necessarily true.
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The simple fact is Apple has had a great two years not because of Apple but because of the Intel name and the fact you can now install Windows on Apple hardware to make up for the lack of OsX third party apps.
Intel's name has had more to do with Apple's success? I know of very few people who run Windows on their Mac.
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Apple makes products that work well with other Apple products and apps however they fall very short on having them work well with the rest of the world.
What you miss is that Apple supports open standards and does not work to support MS propreitary lock in standards.
I can't understand how you figured that one out, because it simply isn't true.
It simply is true. For example, go to sprint.com and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.99/month and unlimited data for $39.99/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS. Go to AT&T, price any other smart phone, and you'll find a comparable voice + data plan for $79.99/month. All prices are before taxes and fees, which add even more to the iPhone price advantage.
You have no high speed internet service. Again, WiFi simply is not that useful yet (if ever).
Believe what you want. I was using it on the Toronto Hydro OneZone service on a rooftop patio in downtown Toronto quite well the other day. I've also used it in various hotels on their complementary WiFi and the speed is just fine.
I've also been considering getting WiMax so that I can get WiFi almost anywhere in Canada.
They simply ran out for the timebeing, but are producing more. Votech in Australia has a shipment from Bladox in customs right now.
That's not for sale here in the US. That's what I mean by not generally available. The legal questions of selling it here is preventing it from getting to the 99.9999% of the iPhone users that exist now.
By the way, here are instructions for installing the $80 device, should you be able to get it:
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First, your phone must be activated (with the AT&T SIM), jailbreaked, and with SSH and vim. Refer to previous tutorials to do that
- Download AppleSaft 0.92 from Bladox (see the link on their forum, don't remember it), extract it on your computer (you need the .trb file)
- Turn on your phone with Turbo SIM + AT&T subscription
- Disable CommCenter - ssh to your phone, vim /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.CommCenter.plist add
Code:
<key>Disabled</key> <true/>
for example add it just after these lines, already present in the file
Code:
<key>OnDemand</key> <false/>
If you don't like vim, you can do this modification on your desktop computer (iPhuc/iPhoneInterface getfile, modify the file, and putfile)
vim ultra light survival kit
i : insert mode
ESC : command mode (from insert mode)
dd : delete the current line (in command mode)
:w! : save (in command mode)
:q! : quit (in command mode)
- Reboot
- Copy turbo-app to your phone (for example in /opt/bladox)
- Copy applesaft.trb to your phone (for example in /tmp)
- ssh to your phone, set the executable permission to turbo-app (chmod a+x /opt/bladox/turbo-app) and run it with /opt/bladox/turbo-app /tmp/applesaft.trb. It should take approximately 30 seconds and you shouldn't see any error. Please panic if you see one
- Reenable CommCenter - ssh to your phone, vim /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.CommCenter.plist and delete the lines you added previously
- Reboot
- Go into Settings/Phone/SIM Applications/Apple Saft and choose Set
- Turn off your phone
- Turn on your phone with Turbo SIM + your subscription and test
Once SFTP is installed (which the above-linked program does with one button click), then you can use your favorite SFTP client to install apps. I perfer Transmit for Mac, but there are programs for Windows as well.
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iphonesimfree.com is already taking bulk orders for their software (which was reported on Engadget). But yes, there's nothing official yet (though it seems very close).
Where did you read that they are taking orders? I doubt it.
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
Uhh..no. The Sprint Power Pack 450 is actually $39.99 per month...and then you add the Sprint Power Vision Access Pack for only another $15 per month. This includes unlimited data as well as lots of other goodies from Sprint, all for only $54.99 per month.
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
I pay $15 a month for unlimited data on Sprint, as does everyone else I know.
Comparing my download speeds to a friends with an iPhone, my performance is far better. Yes, I agree Safari is much better than what I have. But, it is so much slower, it's too much hassle to use very often.
If you're interested in web browsing, then compare browsing speed, not raw download speed. EDGE typically provides perfectly adequate speed for web browsing. The iPhone has a faster processor than every 3G smart phone now on the market, which makes up for some of the relative slowness of EDGE itself. The kicker is that even in situations when the user must wait longer for a page to load on an iPhone, they are virtually guaranteed the page with be rendered accurately and be usable. This can not be said at all of every other smart phone, where most pages look awful and are virtually unusable. Panning and zooming on the iPhone are also far easier than on any other smart phone. I use the Internet 10X more on my iPhone than on any of my previous smart phones (HTC 8525, Treo 750, Treo 700p, Treo 650). I won't even bother listing all of the iPaqs with Wi-Fi I've gone through with their cr@p browsers. The iPhone works, so you can too.
It simply is true. For example, go to sprint.com and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.99/month and unlimited data for $39.99/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS. Go to AT&T, price any other smart phone, and you'll find a comparable voice + data plan for $79.99/month. All prices are before taxes and fees, which add even more to the iPhone price advantage.
No. If YOU go to Sprint, you will see that unlimited data is $15 a month, which is what I pay.
Believe what you want. I was using it on the Toronto Hydro OneZone service on a rooftop patio in downtown Toronto quite well the other day. I've also used it in various hotels on their complementary WiFi and the speed is just fine.
I've also been considering getting WiMax so that I can get WiFi almost anywhere in Canada.
I'm not denying that you can FIND spots. But, you can't just whip out your phone and have it, like I can, with my 3G.
If you're interested in web browsing, then compare browsing speed, not raw download speed. EDGE typically provides perfectly adequate speed for web browsing. The iPhone has a faster processor than every 3G smart phone now on the market, which makes up for some of the relative slowness of EDGE itself. The kicker is that even in situations when the user must wait longer for a page to load on an iPhone, they are virtually guaranteed the page with be rendered accurately and be usable. This can not be said at all of every other smart phone, where most pages look awful and are virtually unusable. Panning and zooming on the iPhone are also far easier than on any other smart phone. I use the Internet 10X more on my iPhone than on any of my previous smart phones (HTC 8525, Treo 750, Treo 700p, Treo 650). I won't even bother listing all of the iPaqs with Wi-Fi I've gone through with their cr@p browsers. The iPhone works, so you can too.
You are not reading what i wrote.
My Treo with Sprint has MUCH faster download times as compared to the iPhone on ATT. I've compared these speeds with a friend and his iPhone, downloading the same sites.
His phone is simply much slower. This isn't a guess on my part, as it is on yours. You are also ignoring all that has been written about this. no one ever says that it is fast. Some have said that it isn't too bad, which isn't the same thing as saying that it is good.
If you are willing to put up with the slow service, then fine. Many of us are not.
The on-line price for a Treo 700p from VerizonWireless is $400, and the monthly service plan including 450 minutes and unlimited data is $80/month, plus taxes and fees. With the $20/month savings on the iPhone's $60/month service, over 2 years of the contract, the $200 extra cost of an 8 GB iPhone (plus tax) and the $175 Verizon early termination fee are all more than paid for.
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But no I won't be installing hacks into my iPhone.
And then trades it for a new car. I believe there was an article on MSN this morning about a person that traded an unlocked iphone for a car.
wow, maybe I should trade mine for a car and then just buy another one and unlock it? Even with the shortage of TurboSIMs, I could ruin a heck of a lot of phones trying to solder-unlock them for that much money. People have already figured out how to do it without soldering using pins.
I have a Palm 755p, a much more recent offering from Palm than the 650 used in this comparison. And last I checked, my monthly plan from Sprint for my Palm 755p is actually $54.99 for 450 minutes of talk and unlimited data--$5 cheaper than the cheapest AT&T iPhone plan. And my phone purchase was heavily subsidized by Sprint.
Don't get me wrong, the iPhone looks pretty dang cool...but until 3rd party apps are available, its just not a viable option for me.
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
Having the ability to use 3rd party apps in of itself is great, but the usefulness of those apps need to start from a great OS and a great UI design. This is the start for the iPhone building a stong OS and UI foundation.
But no I won't be installing hacks into my iPhone.
Someone already put this out there:
http://iphone.share.googlepages.com/index.html
Not sure how many developers will follow that. but a lot of the 3rd party apps I've used have a pretty decent interface (even if they don't work too well yet).
smart phones on average are mostly for corporate use
That's not necessarily true.
The simple fact is Apple has had a great two years not because of Apple but because of the Intel name and the fact you can now install Windows on Apple hardware to make up for the lack of OsX third party apps.
Intel's name has had more to do with Apple's success? I know of very few people who run Windows on their Mac.
Apple makes products that work well with other Apple products and apps however they fall very short on having them work well with the rest of the world.
What you miss is that Apple supports open standards and does not work to support MS propreitary lock in standards.
I can't understand how you figured that one out, because it simply isn't true.
It simply is true. For example, go to sprint.com and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.99/month and unlimited data for $39.99/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS. Go to AT&T, price any other smart phone, and you'll find a comparable voice + data plan for $79.99/month. All prices are before taxes and fees, which add even more to the iPhone price advantage.
You have no high speed internet service. Again, WiFi simply is not that useful yet (if ever).
Believe what you want. I was using it on the Toronto Hydro OneZone service on a rooftop patio in downtown Toronto quite well the other day. I've also used it in various hotels on their complementary WiFi and the speed is just fine.
I've also been considering getting WiMax so that I can get WiFi almost anywhere in Canada.
http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2352927
Check the 30 seconds video at:
http://www.uvouch.com/video-No-Bagga...mercial-146935
They simply ran out for the timebeing, but are producing more. Votech in Australia has a shipment from Bladox in customs right now.
That's not for sale here in the US. That's what I mean by not generally available. The legal questions of selling it here is preventing it from getting to the 99.9999% of the iPhone users that exist now.
By the way, here are instructions for installing the $80 device, should you be able to get it:
First, your phone must be activated (with the AT&T SIM), jailbreaked, and with SSH and vim. Refer to previous tutorials to do that
- Download the port of Bladox utilities http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/show...5&postcount=16 on your computer, extract it on your computer (you need the binary file turbo-app)
- Download AppleSaft 0.92 from Bladox (see the link on their forum, don't remember it), extract it on your computer (you need the .trb file)
- Turn on your phone with Turbo SIM + AT&T subscription
- Disable CommCenter - ssh to your phone, vim /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.CommCenter.plist add
Code:
<key>Disabled</key> <true/>
for example add it just after these lines, already present in the file
Code:
<key>OnDemand</key> <false/>
If you don't like vim, you can do this modification on your desktop computer (iPhuc/iPhoneInterface getfile, modify the file, and putfile)
vim ultra light survival kit
i : insert mode
ESC : command mode (from insert mode)
dd : delete the current line (in command mode)
:w! : save (in command mode)
:q! : quit (in command mode)
- Reboot
- Copy turbo-app to your phone (for example in /opt/bladox)
- Copy applesaft.trb to your phone (for example in /tmp)
- ssh to your phone, set the executable permission to turbo-app (chmod a+x /opt/bladox/turbo-app) and run it with /opt/bladox/turbo-app /tmp/applesaft.trb. It should take approximately 30 seconds and you shouldn't see any error. Please panic if you see one
- Reenable CommCenter - ssh to your phone, vim /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.CommCenter.plist and delete the lines you added previously
- Reboot
- Go into Settings/Phone/SIM Applications/Apple Saft and choose Set
- Turn off your phone
- Turn on your phone with Turbo SIM + your subscription and test
Not for the fainthearted.
There is a
That is not a general installer. This is it:
http://iphone.nullriver.com/beta/
To download the file, and see intructions to install, go here:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hands_on-...red-291184.php
GUI program.
Once SFTP is installed (which the above-linked program does with one button click), then you can use your favorite SFTP client to install apps. I perfer Transmit for Mac, but there are programs for Windows as well.
iphonesimfree.com is already taking bulk orders for their software (which was reported on Engadget). But yes, there's nothing official yet (though it seems very close).
Where did you read that they are taking orders? I doubt it.
This is the latest info on that that I've seen:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...iphone-unlocks
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
Uhh..no. The Sprint Power Pack 450 is actually $39.99 per month...and then you add the Sprint Power Vision Access Pack for only another $15 per month. This includes unlimited data as well as lots of other goodies from Sprint, all for only $54.99 per month.
Looks like you might be on a "SERO" plan, which is not generally available. Look on sprint.com for their general prices and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.95/month and unlimited data for $39.95/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS.
I pay $15 a month for unlimited data on Sprint, as does everyone else I know.
It depends on what you're looking for.
I have a Treo 700p with Sprint.
Comparing my download speeds to a friends with an iPhone, my performance is far better. Yes, I agree Safari is much better than what I have. But, it is so much slower, it's too much hassle to use very often.
If you're interested in web browsing, then compare browsing speed, not raw download speed. EDGE typically provides perfectly adequate speed for web browsing. The iPhone has a faster processor than every 3G smart phone now on the market, which makes up for some of the relative slowness of EDGE itself. The kicker is that even in situations when the user must wait longer for a page to load on an iPhone, they are virtually guaranteed the page with be rendered accurately and be usable. This can not be said at all of every other smart phone, where most pages look awful and are virtually unusable. Panning and zooming on the iPhone are also far easier than on any other smart phone. I use the Internet 10X more on my iPhone than on any of my previous smart phones (HTC 8525, Treo 750, Treo 700p, Treo 650). I won't even bother listing all of the iPaqs with Wi-Fi I've gone through with their cr@p browsers. The iPhone works, so you can too.
It simply is true. For example, go to sprint.com and you'll find: 450 minutes @ $39.99/month and unlimited data for $39.99/month. iPhone from AT&T is $59.99/month for 450 roll-over minutes, unlimited data and 200 SMS. Go to AT&T, price any other smart phone, and you'll find a comparable voice + data plan for $79.99/month. All prices are before taxes and fees, which add even more to the iPhone price advantage.
No. If YOU go to Sprint, you will see that unlimited data is $15 a month, which is what I pay.
Believe what you want. I was using it on the Toronto Hydro OneZone service on a rooftop patio in downtown Toronto quite well the other day. I've also used it in various hotels on their complementary WiFi and the speed is just fine.
I've also been considering getting WiMax so that I can get WiFi almost anywhere in Canada.
I'm not denying that you can FIND spots. But, you can't just whip out your phone and have it, like I can, with my 3G.
I pay $15 a month for unlimited data on Sprint, as does everyone else I know.
Go to sprint.com. Unlimited data is $39.99/month.
I'm not denying that you can FIND spots. But, you can't just whip out your phone and have it, like I can, with my 3G.
EDGE is more widely available in the U.S. than 3G.
If you're interested in web browsing, then compare browsing speed, not raw download speed. EDGE typically provides perfectly adequate speed for web browsing. The iPhone has a faster processor than every 3G smart phone now on the market, which makes up for some of the relative slowness of EDGE itself. The kicker is that even in situations when the user must wait longer for a page to load on an iPhone, they are virtually guaranteed the page with be rendered accurately and be usable. This can not be said at all of every other smart phone, where most pages look awful and are virtually unusable. Panning and zooming on the iPhone are also far easier than on any other smart phone. I use the Internet 10X more on my iPhone than on any of my previous smart phones (HTC 8525, Treo 750, Treo 700p, Treo 650). I won't even bother listing all of the iPaqs with Wi-Fi I've gone through with their cr@p browsers. The iPhone works, so you can too.
You are not reading what i wrote.
My Treo with Sprint has MUCH faster download times as compared to the iPhone on ATT. I've compared these speeds with a friend and his iPhone, downloading the same sites.
His phone is simply much slower. This isn't a guess on my part, as it is on yours. You are also ignoring all that has been written about this. no one ever says that it is fast. Some have said that it isn't too bad, which isn't the same thing as saying that it is good.
If you are willing to put up with the slow service, then fine. Many of us are not.
EDGE is more widely available in the U.S. than 3G.
Only for ATT. Sprint and Verizon have wider deployment of 3G than ATT.
No. If YOU go to Sprint, you will see that unlimited data is $15 a month, which is what I pay.Go to sprint.com. Unlimited data is $39.99/month.
The problem is that Sprints website is difficult to navigate. They don't simply list their plans clearly.
EDGE is more widely available in the U.S. than 3G.
You're wrong again. This is really silly. Both Sprint and Verison have 3G all over the country. Of the big three, only ATT has limited 3G service.
It's really annoying to read this nonsense.