I see this as a good thing for Apple. XPS One will be compared to iMac because iMac is the only thing around to compare to, and the iMac will win at everything because Apple has been in this game longer. It does put pressure on Apple to at least BTO Blu-Ray drives, though.
A mistake from Dell in my opinion. They are going right in the middle of iMacs when they should gather momentum and experience from a $800 machine at the low end where people don't need and expect as much, and/or go up a size class to be a true TV replacement that the iMac isn't.
I see this as a good thing for Apple. XPS One will be compared to iMac because iMac is the only thing around to compare to, and the iMac will win at everything because Apple has been in this game longer. It does put pressure on Apple to at least BTO Blu-Ray drives, though.
A mistake from Dell in my opinion. They are going right in the middle of iMacs when they should gather momentum and experience from a $800 machine at the low end where people don't need and expect as much, and/or go up a size class to be a true TV replacement that the iMac isn't.
I don't know about that. The iMac is definitely going to win on price. Apple has a consistent price structure while Dell jacks on the price on XPS and Professional systems to make up for low margins on entry level machines. Dell also knows that this isn't supposed to be a large volume computer.
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It's not a bad system. Certainly better looking than the Gateway system
I'm actually happy to see a slot load Blu-ray drive. They're getting the drive sizes down so it's good so see this "miniturization" going on.
I'd rather have the 24" iMac with its full 1920x1080 display and of course Leopard :P
Panasonic has had a slot loading Blu-Ray drive for a while. Apple has just chosen not to use it.
I don't know about that. The iMac is definitely going to win on price.
It wouldn't win on price on the low end now that the 17" iMac is no more. Dell could go in way below Apple's price class.
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Apple has a consistent price structure while Dell jacks on the price on XPS and Professional systems to make up for low margins on entry level machines. Dell also knows that this isn't supposed to be a large volume computer.
Hence, the suggestion for a larger (omgbignumbers) machine than the Apple 24" that would have a clear focus of its own (Full HD TV and playing media) and beat iMac in that department. Good enough to carry the XPS name and fetch even more than the iMac because it wouldn't be directly comparable.
After experiences from such machines, it would be much easier to approach the Apple lineup with a compelling solution of their own. Dell has enough oomph, but do they have vision and will?
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Panasonic has had a slot loading Blu-Ray drive for a while. Apple has just chosen not to use it.
What do you wanna bet this will change? Apple will have to have content crippling measures in order to run Blu-Ray movies though.. could get interesting.
It wouldn't win on price on the low end now that the 17" iMac is no more. Dell could go in way below
Like I said earlier, this isn't a cheap low end Inspiron, it's part of their flagship XPS series. It also has a 22" screen. Expect a price similar to Sony's LT series and the 24" iMac.
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What do you wanna bet this will change? Apple will have to have content crippling measures in order to run Blu-Ray movies though.. could get interesting.
To be honest, I'm not sure what to believe anymore. I'm not sure if the lack of a HD optical disk drive has more to do with the format ambiguity and Apple waiting for blu-ray/HD-DVD or they're just holding it back for some grand reveal in order to feed Steve Jobs' messiah complex. Either way, Apple was one of the first to adopt DVD-burners and pretty much on of the last to pick up HD burners. Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
Like I said earlier, this isn't a cheap low end Inspiron, it's part of their flagship XPS series. It also has a 22" screen. Expect a price similar to Sony's LT series and the 24" iMac.
To be honest, I'm not sure what to believe anymore. I'm not sure if the lack of a HD optical disk drive has more to do with the format ambiguity and Apple waiting for blu-ray/HD-DVD or they're just holding it back for some grand reveal in order to feed Steve Jobs' messiah complex. Either way, Apple was one of the first to adopt DVD-burners and pretty much on of the last to pick up HD burners. Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
And remember almost everyone blamed Motorola and IBM! Can't blame them now!
Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
Yes, because getting a product refresh Yonah (2006) to Merom (2007) to Penryn (2008) is EXACTLY like the PowerPC days...so is going from dual dual Woodcrests (2006) to dual quad Kentsfield (2007) to dual quad Harpertown (2008).
My 2006 MacBookPro feels ancient now with a Yonah/X1600/802.11G in it compared to Merom/8600M GT/802.11N. My early dual 3 Ghz Woodcrest Mac Pro is going to feel the same when the Penryns come out early 2008.
How much shorter are the product cycles supposed to be anyway?
Yes, because getting a product refresh Yonah (2006) to Merom (2007) to Penryn (2008) is EXACTLY like the PowerPC days...so is going from dual dual Woodcrests (2006) to dual quad Kentsfield (2007) to dual quad Harpertown (2008).
My 2006 MacBookPro feels ancient now with a Yonah/X1600/802.11G in it compared to Merom/8600M GT/802.11N. My early dual 3 Ghz Woodcrest Mac Pro is going to feel the same when the Penryns come out early 2008.
How much shorter are the product cycles supposed to be anyway?
Macbook and Mini are still using the 945 chipset almost a year after everyone else switched to the 965.
Mac Pro hasn't been updated in almost 16 months despite updates in affordable quad core chips and graphics technology.
I expect more out of Apple than selling out of date technology to pad profits. I expect them to be at the forefront.
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http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/23/d...h-out-gateway/
Meet the black iMac...err XPS One.
Maybe Jobs was right that everything is moving toward AIO.
A mistake from Dell in my opinion. They are going right in the middle of iMacs when they should gather momentum and experience from a $800 machine at the low end where people don't need and expect as much, and/or go up a size class to be a true TV replacement that the iMac isn't.
I'm actually happy to see a slot load Blu-ray drive. They're getting the drive sizes down so it's good so see this "miniturization" going on.
I'd rather have the 24" iMac with its full 1920x1080 display and of course Leopard :P
Dell just has to copy everyone don't they
Lol...
I see this as a good thing for Apple. XPS One will be compared to iMac because iMac is the only thing around to compare to, and the iMac will win at everything because Apple has been in this game longer. It does put pressure on Apple to at least BTO Blu-Ray drives, though.
A mistake from Dell in my opinion. They are going right in the middle of iMacs when they should gather momentum and experience from a $800 machine at the low end where people don't need and expect as much, and/or go up a size class to be a true TV replacement that the iMac isn't.
I don't know about that. The iMac is definitely going to win on price. Apple has a consistent price structure while Dell jacks on the price on XPS and Professional systems to make up for low margins on entry level machines. Dell also knows that this isn't supposed to be a large volume computer.
It's not a bad system. Certainly better looking than the Gateway system
I'm actually happy to see a slot load Blu-ray drive. They're getting the drive sizes down so it's good so see this "miniturization" going on.
I'd rather have the 24" iMac with its full 1920x1080 display and of course Leopard :P
Panasonic has had a slot loading Blu-Ray drive for a while. Apple has just chosen not to use it.
I don't know about that. The iMac is definitely going to win on price.
It wouldn't win on price on the low end now that the 17" iMac is no more. Dell could go in way below Apple's price class.
Apple has a consistent price structure while Dell jacks on the price on XPS and Professional systems to make up for low margins on entry level machines. Dell also knows that this isn't supposed to be a large volume computer.
Hence, the suggestion for a larger (omgbignumbers) machine than the Apple 24" that would have a clear focus of its own (Full HD TV and playing media) and beat iMac in that department. Good enough to carry the XPS name and fetch even more than the iMac because it wouldn't be directly comparable.
After experiences from such machines, it would be much easier to approach the Apple lineup with a compelling solution of their own. Dell has enough oomph, but do they have vision and will?
Panasonic has had a slot loading Blu-Ray drive for a while. Apple has just chosen not to use it.
What do you wanna bet this will change? Apple will have to have content crippling measures in order to run Blu-Ray movies though.. could get interesting.
It wouldn't win on price on the low end now that the 17" iMac is no more. Dell could go in way below
Like I said earlier, this isn't a cheap low end Inspiron, it's part of their flagship XPS series. It also has a 22" screen. Expect a price similar to Sony's LT series and the 24" iMac.
What do you wanna bet this will change? Apple will have to have content crippling measures in order to run Blu-Ray movies though.. could get interesting.
To be honest, I'm not sure what to believe anymore. I'm not sure if the lack of a HD optical disk drive has more to do with the format ambiguity and Apple waiting for blu-ray/HD-DVD or they're just holding it back for some grand reveal in order to feed Steve Jobs' messiah complex. Either way, Apple was one of the first to adopt DVD-burners and pretty much on of the last to pick up HD burners. Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
Like I said earlier, this isn't a cheap low end Inspiron, it's part of their flagship XPS series.
So? I'm talking of two machines they should have released instead. They could have easily gone in the $800 category with a 19" widescreen machine.
It also has a 22" screen. Expect a price similar to Sony's LT series and the 24" iMac.
The 22" panels are to 20" what 19" panels have been for the 17". The same thing, takes more space. Going up in resolution costs a lot more.
Like I said earlier, this isn't a cheap low end Inspiron, it's part of their flagship XPS series. It also has a 22" screen. Expect a price similar to Sony's LT series and the 24" iMac.
To be honest, I'm not sure what to believe anymore. I'm not sure if the lack of a HD optical disk drive has more to do with the format ambiguity and Apple waiting for blu-ray/HD-DVD or they're just holding it back for some grand reveal in order to feed Steve Jobs' messiah complex. Either way, Apple was one of the first to adopt DVD-burners and pretty much on of the last to pick up HD burners. Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
And remember almost everyone blamed Motorola and IBM! Can't blame them now!
Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
Yes, because getting a product refresh Yonah (2006) to Merom (2007) to Penryn (2008) is EXACTLY like the PowerPC days...so is going from dual dual Woodcrests (2006) to dual quad Kentsfield (2007) to dual quad Harpertown (2008).
My 2006 MacBookPro feels ancient now with a Yonah/X1600/802.11G in it compared to Merom/8600M GT/802.11N. My early dual 3 Ghz Woodcrest Mac Pro is going to feel the same when the Penryns come out early 2008.
How much shorter are the product cycles supposed to be anyway?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/23/d...h-out-gateway/
Meet the black iMac...err XPS One.
Do you think that Dell could make that any uglier?
Even with the intel switch, product cycles are disturbingly close to the PowerPC days.
what?
How much shorter are the product cycles supposed to be anyway?
Glad someone said it
Do you think that Dell could make that any uglier?
My thoughts exactly, a fitting addition to the horrendous XPS line. Though it IS better than Dell's previous ideas of all-in-ones:
Yes, because getting a product refresh Yonah (2006) to Merom (2007) to Penryn (2008) is EXACTLY like the PowerPC days...so is going from dual dual Woodcrests (2006) to dual quad Kentsfield (2007) to dual quad Harpertown (2008).
My 2006 MacBookPro feels ancient now with a Yonah/X1600/802.11G in it compared to Merom/8600M GT/802.11N. My early dual 3 Ghz Woodcrest Mac Pro is going to feel the same when the Penryns come out early 2008.
How much shorter are the product cycles supposed to be anyway?
Macbook and Mini are still using the 945 chipset almost a year after everyone else switched to the 965.
Mac Pro hasn't been updated in almost 16 months despite updates in affordable quad core chips and graphics technology.
I expect more out of Apple than selling out of date technology to pad profits. I expect them to be at the forefront.