Please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13"!
-Clive
100% agreement on that!
13 is just too big to be called a sub-notebook. Many notebooks come in at 12 inches; recall the PB 12"? Sub has got to mean smaller than 12". Yeah, Sony has one; they even have a smaller one than is pretty amazing: the UX, which sorta replaced the Clie. With the Clie division killed off, I guess they threw the same engineers onto the UX.
$2000? what are you smoking! 128gb ssd drives start at over $3500!!
You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.
iWonder is 13" is too big for some people. For me, it's not big enough, i really need at least a 14" powerbook or 15' mac book pro. Perhaps a 12" tablet will be introduced at mac world. iBet the call it the ipocket or something like that. Ther is always the modbook which has been out for a year or so.
Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.
You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.
By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.
Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.
Hahahahaha Agreed.
And if it is a notebook in fact, you're right. It wont be that thin.
OK I see you are right. Their isn't much demand for 128 GB SDD right now, but those prices will come down quickly as production ramps.
You mean there isn't much supply??? I don't know a single person on these forums who would turn down a 128GB SSD. Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.
..a source close to Apple's manufacturing facilities has confirmed that the company will launch its much rumored sub-notebook at Macworld in January and that it will also have a 3G iPhone on store shelves by June at the latest.
...the device will be 50 percent thinner than the company's existing MacBook Pro, employ NAND flash memory in place of a traditional hard disk drive, and that it will definitively arrive at Macworld.
And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.
Welp, that kills about half the magic of MWSF for me. With "breaking news" being leaked about the World's Largest iPod and a 3G version of iPhone, I figure about all we'll have left is an announcement of new iPages templates and movie rentals from the iTunes store. Maybe a speed-bumped iMac or two.
As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files, the whoopla of miniaturization doesn't get me worked up, but I realize lots of other readers are fascinated by it. If it came down to what I dropped $1500 on in January, I'd get more use from a 30" display than a 10" computer, and I dread the possibility of Apple's narrow focus on the miniature PC, c-phone and gadget market for MWSF. I can envision the "one more thing" announcement being a 12-inch glossy LED Cinema Displays to plug into your sub-book for "maximizing desktop real estate."
I fear there won't be much on display from Apple in SF that I'll covet.
Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.
If they wanted chip makers could shift production to make more 128GB and less 32 or 64, bringing down costs. If they felt their was enough of a market to justify doing so.
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I doubt that we'll see high-capacity SSD at affordable prices any time next year.
Affordable is subjective. Any SDD is expensive in comparison to an HDD. 32GB was over $1000 last year. The prices are falling fairly quickly and steadily.
And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.
As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files.
With all due respect (I totally get why you like that kind of system) why should Apple be focusing on that type of use?
There's a place for big honking systems, just like there's a need for Diesel Semis. And I think Apple needs to beef up its desktop/server end.
But processing power is now such that for 95% of users (if not more) that kind of power is a total waste of money.
Also, Apple's forte is 'ease-of-use'. The kind of user who needs a server or high-end development power is as likely to be using command-line unix as they are to need or want what Apple excels at. Apple wants to grow. Growth is in the consumer end, not the server end.
If it's only $1500, then it's just a better MacBook in a much slimmer form. I'm just hoping battery life doesn't suffer due to a slimmer profile (and thus, less space for the battery).
Theoretically, SSD, a more efficient processor and LED all lead to energy savings and much longer battery life and some weight savings. They also allow a smaller battery (and a choice of slightly weight savings to return battery life).
If you look at existing SSD computers, they have impressive battery life...
Hard drives take very little power, accounting for like 5% of a typical notebook's power consumption. /3rds that of the T series. That allows for generally longer run times and for smaller batteries.
That is where an LED and a new processor are handy. I thought the issue with the HDD was peak usage at boot-up and things like that where the battery gets drained significantly, but you guys tell me.
Not to mention the 1.2GHz processors. I would be surprised if Apple went to all the trouble of leaving out the optical drive and possibly using a larger screen to still compromise on CPU speed. I reckon it will have the same CPUs as the Macbook.
If it has no dedicated graphics then I agree with what was said that it shouldn't be called a pro machine. I'm not saying an ultra-portable needs a good GPU but it does if it's called a pro machine.
from what you guys are saying, the $1500 price tag is going to be far to hefty for what little it can probably do. people always pay for smaller less productive/useful items.
Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
Apple wouldn't be buying these disks. The NAND parts will be soldered directly onto the motherboard, with a controller. You can go to Digikey.com now and buy 800 SanDisk 8GB NAND chips for a $23 unit cost. Apple would be paying no more than one half that price, potentially much less. So I would estimate that a 64GB flash disk, controller and all, would add no more than $80 to the COGS of the product. . . and that's high-balling it.
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I think some of the earlier reports said NO drives.
So add $$ to the cost to buy an external device.
Though it seems like a lot of people install from a server these days.
Yea.. web server...
So around 13 millimeters... nice..
I can't see it being that thin myself, if it is in fact a notebook - which I think it may well be.
I would be shocked if it was 13mm or less.
Please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13"!
-Clive
100% agreement on that!
13 is just too big to be called a sub-notebook. Many notebooks come in at 12 inches; recall the PB 12"? Sub has got to mean smaller than 12". Yeah, Sony has one; they even have a smaller one than is pretty amazing: the UX, which sorta replaced the Clie. With the Clie division killed off, I guess they threw the same engineers onto the UX.
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665246465
$2000? what are you smoking! 128gb ssd drives start at over $3500!!
You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.
By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.
iWonder is 13" is too big for some people. For me, it's not big enough, i really need at least a 14" powerbook or 15' mac book pro. Perhaps a 12" tablet will be introduced at mac world. iBet the call it the ipocket or something like that. Ther is always the modbook which has been out for a year or so.
Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.
You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.
By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.
Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.
Hahahahaha Agreed.
And if it is a notebook in fact, you're right. It wont be that thin.
Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
OK I see you are right. Their isn't much demand for 128 GB SDD right now, but those prices will come down quickly as production ramps.
Also I didn't necessarily mean that Apple would use them in January, but prices will drop and its no big deal for Apple to offer them later.
OK I see you are right. Their isn't much demand for 128 GB SDD right now, but those prices will come down quickly as production ramps.
You mean there isn't much supply??? I don't know a single person on these forums who would turn down a 128GB SSD. Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.
-Clive
..a source close to Apple's manufacturing facilities has confirmed that the company will launch its much rumored sub-notebook at Macworld in January and that it will also have a 3G iPhone on store shelves by June at the latest.
...the device will be 50 percent thinner than the company's existing MacBook Pro, employ NAND flash memory in place of a traditional hard disk drive, and that it will definitively arrive at Macworld.
And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.
Welp, that kills about half the magic of MWSF for me. With "breaking news" being leaked about the World's Largest iPod and a 3G version of iPhone, I figure about all we'll have left is an announcement of new iPages templates and movie rentals from the iTunes store. Maybe a speed-bumped iMac or two.
As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files, the whoopla of miniaturization doesn't get me worked up, but I realize lots of other readers are fascinated by it. If it came down to what I dropped $1500 on in January, I'd get more use from a 30" display than a 10" computer, and I dread the possibility of Apple's narrow focus on the miniature PC, c-phone and gadget market for MWSF. I can envision the "one more thing" announcement being a 12-inch glossy LED Cinema Displays to plug into your sub-book for "maximizing desktop real estate."
I fear there won't be much on display from Apple in SF that I'll covet.
Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.
If they wanted chip makers could shift production to make more 128GB and less 32 or 64, bringing down costs. If they felt their was enough of a market to justify doing so.
I doubt that we'll see high-capacity SSD at affordable prices any time next year.
Affordable is subjective. Any SDD is expensive in comparison to an HDD. 32GB was over $1000 last year. The prices are falling fairly quickly and steadily.
Sony TZ series: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154
11" with DVD burner, Hybrid 64GB Solid State Drive, and 200GB Hard Drive.
This thing even has a damn Macbook keyboard and a modem. Wow.
Dimensions (Approx.)
* 10.9"(W) 0.8" - 1.17"(H) 7.8"(D)
This "ultraportable" is thicker than a Macbook Pro.
And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.
As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files.
With all due respect (I totally get why you like that kind of system) why should Apple be focusing on that type of use?
There's a place for big honking systems, just like there's a need for Diesel Semis. And I think Apple needs to beef up its desktop/server end.
But processing power is now such that for 95% of users (if not more) that kind of power is a total waste of money.
Also, Apple's forte is 'ease-of-use'. The kind of user who needs a server or high-end development power is as likely to be using command-line unix as they are to need or want what Apple excels at. Apple wants to grow. Growth is in the consumer end, not the server end.
If it's only $1500, then it's just a better MacBook in a much slimmer form. I'm just hoping battery life doesn't suffer due to a slimmer profile (and thus, less space for the battery).
Theoretically, SSD, a more efficient processor and LED all lead to energy savings and much longer battery life and some weight savings. They also allow a smaller battery (and a choice of slightly weight savings to return battery life).
If you look at existing SSD computers, they have impressive battery life...
Hard drives take very little power, accounting for like 5% of a typical notebook's power consumption. /3rds that of the T series. That allows for generally longer run times and for smaller batteries.
That is where an LED and a new processor are handy. I thought the issue with the HDD was peak usage at boot-up and things like that where the battery gets drained significantly, but you guys tell me.
No the WOW comes when you see the price, $3999.
Not to mention the 1.2GHz processors. I would be surprised if Apple went to all the trouble of leaving out the optical drive and possibly using a larger screen to still compromise on CPU speed. I reckon it will have the same CPUs as the Macbook.
If it has no dedicated graphics then I agree with what was said that it shouldn't be called a pro machine. I'm not saying an ultra-portable needs a good GPU but it does if it's called a pro machine.
oh well...
Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
Apple wouldn't be buying these disks. The NAND parts will be soldered directly onto the motherboard, with a controller. You can go to Digikey.com now and buy 800 SanDisk 8GB NAND chips for a $23 unit cost. Apple would be paying no more than one half that price, potentially much less. So I would estimate that a 64GB flash disk, controller and all, would add no more than $80 to the COGS of the product. . . and that's high-balling it.