<strong>RDF = Reality Distortion Field; what S. Jobs exudes when he wants to be persuasive. He can alter people's views of reality to make them see his "vision." It's an old joke from Apple of the 1980's. But I don't think they can bottle it, let alone compile it. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh I think they will eventually be able to compile it. But this may be one of those few time Apple will be against making it Open Source. Wouldn´t want to show the source to MS would they
Check out MacNN. They have a section entitled "Developers make X11 for OS X Announcements". In the following paragraph, they say that OpenOffice has released a Final beta. Apple's addition of X11 natively automatically makes OpenOffice look decent on screen and even more practical for professional or home use. And if Apple releases their own Office off of it, they will release quickly and with features as the main programming effort, no need to port the X11 to Quartz.
edit: looking at the images on the Apple X11 site, application GUI's do not take on an Aqua look, too bad
[quote] I like how Steve praised Office, and put in a nice word about M$ and then proceeded to rip IE apart, and then introduce a piece of software that could neatly kick powerpoint's ass. It made me smile
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With the name Sledgehammer and a quote like that, I bet you were doing more than smiling! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>I doubt Keynote can replace powerpoint.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...yet. You're likely right at this point though.
I should really make this "Office Killer part 2" since really Address Book, iCal, Mail, iChat and iSync are a kind of Outlook killer. Again, not as many features, and certainly not explicitly marketed as such, but the basics are in place.
Oh I certainly think Keynote trounces PowerPoint. The key is file formats. the importing and presentation deployment options add flexibility that PP can't match. The interface is better, transitions are better, themes are better and the fact that the native file format is an open extensible format is outstanding.
There are really no features in PP (that I use anyway) that are not there and better implemented.
Between Apple Works (already has (limited)WP/DTP/Spreadsheet capabilities), Open Office, Keynote, iMail, Safari and Address Book, it shouldn't take a huge effort to create a more co-ordinated package that can do 90% of what Office can do just as well and probably better, with all the Office cross-compataibility that is required.
Native file types based on XML/PDF open formats and built-in writing of Office-compatible files for use in cross-platform offices.
I currently still use Word/Excel in Classic and have so far avoided updating to v.X. If Apple could provide a suitable alternative to Word/Excel (appleworks does for some purposes, ie read-only, but not exporting back to Office) then I would buy in in a shot.
Keynote is a great app and a great move foward by Apple. But it will definately be a longggggggg time before Powerpoint and Office will be toppled. The existing base for office is just toooooooo BIG.
But Keynote really looks good. Will probably buy it and show off to my friends!
I don't think the objective is to topple Office. Instead, Apple needs to provide real alternatives which work. Once they do this, they will not be at the mercy of M$.
Since the 80's, people have said that M$ could kill Apple at any time by dropping Office from the platform. IMO, Steve wants to change this.
By making their own browser and possibly Office alternative, Apple is taking responsibility for these factors in it's existence.
No ,I don't think Apple is necessarily looking to push MS off the platform, just help with the FUD (well, actually it's true to a fair extent) that Apple's lifeline directly corresponds to Microsoft's support of the platform via Office.
More thoughts about Keynote:
People have been asking since the public beta release of OS X why Apple would create and use Quartz instead of Quickdraw or some other less sophisticated display model. I remember some heated arguments about why this engine isn't necessary. People argued about how one could apply this new display model with any practical consequences. When Quartz Extreme premiered, people thought of how applications like Final Cut Pro could use the technology, but people still argued what use it was for machines and users that weren't that advanced. While we have plenty of Quartz-run applications out there that make use of its rendering and compositing features, this is a strong answer to those doubts and criticisms. This application makes PowerPoint v.X (which uses Quartz for charts, etc.) look like a real underacheiver. It's a step up from the iApps, yet affordable, and can be used for business, where it really counts. In some sense, it's purpose is to justify Quartz at a user level where it's not just eye-candy, but helps make the sale.
Also, aside from media apps and FileMaker, this is Apple's first foray into business software in... forever. It's the first serious productivity app they've made in years. But it still does play to their strength for media and graphics, so it really fills a hole in Apple's software strategy.
<strong>You know AW6 has the presentation module. So Keynote ... replaces that ... competes with is ... ??? Who wrote Keynote? An Apple tean or a AW team?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keynote is meant to be a professional tool - AW is not.
<strong>AW6 isn't even meant for amateurs. Think about it though. Apple sell two pieces of software that do the same thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not quite sure what Apple is planning in this respect. On one hand, they have replaced AW's presentation module. On the other, it's sold separately (OK, technically AW is just bundled with only a few Macs) and costs more than all of AW together, so maybe there will be a sort of Keynote Express or new AW version too. Keynote isn't at FCP level of functionality or price, but it's not iMovie either.
<strong>I don't think the objective is to topple Office. Instead, Apple needs to provide real alternatives which work. Once they do this, they will not be at the mercy of M$.
Since the 80's, people have said that M$ could kill Apple at any time by dropping Office from the platform. IMO, Steve wants to change this.
By making their own browser and possibly Office alternative, Apple is taking responsibility for these factors in it's existence.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And this, I think, was the subtl, but key point about Keynote.
I'm not quite sure what Apple is planning in this respect. On one hand, they have replaced AW's presentation module. On the other, it's sold separately (OK, technically AW is just bundled with only a few Macs) and costs more than all of AW together, so maybe there will be a sort of Keynote Express or new AW version too. Keynote isn't at FCP level of functionality or price, but it's not iMovie either.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think it WAY too soon to analyzing Apple's product positioning for Keynote and AW. I think that AW will eventually fade away. Just a guess. But they don't have all of the pieces in place just yet.
The only thing I'm certain of right now is that if you count Mail and iCal as equal to Outlook, then factor in Keynote and Filemaker, Apple now has three of the five products needed to launch an Office-replacement suite.
And whatever anybody says in public, that's gotta be keeping somebody up late at night in Redmond.
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<strong>RDF = Reality Distortion Field; what S. Jobs exudes when he wants to be persuasive. He can alter people's views of reality to make them see his "vision." It's an old joke from Apple of the 1980's. But I don't think they can bottle it, let alone compile it.
Oh I think they will eventually be able to compile it. But this may be one of those few time Apple will be against making it Open Source. Wouldn´t want to show the source to MS would they
<strong>Or what is it you americans call written exams?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ohh THAT would be the name.
"Paper"
edit: looking at the images on the Apple X11 site, application GUI's do not take on an Aqua look, too bad
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[quote] I like how Steve praised Office, and put in a nice word about M$ and then proceeded to rip IE apart, and then introduce a piece of software that could neatly kick powerpoint's ass. It made me smile
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With the name Sledgehammer and a quote like that, I bet you were doing more than smiling! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>I doubt Keynote can replace powerpoint.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...yet. You're likely right at this point though.
I should really make this "Office Killer part 2" since really Address Book, iCal, Mail, iChat and iSync are a kind of Outlook killer. Again, not as many features, and certainly not explicitly marketed as such, but the basics are in place.
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The biggest thing I need is someone to announce Exchange support for OS X!
There are really no features in PP (that I use anyway) that are not there and better implemented.
Native file types based on XML/PDF open formats and built-in writing of Office-compatible files for use in cross-platform offices.
I currently still use Word/Excel in Classic and have so far avoided updating to v.X. If Apple could provide a suitable alternative to Word/Excel (appleworks does for some purposes, ie read-only, but not exporting back to Office) then I would buy in in a shot.
<strong>What will the Word replacement be called?
Guesses?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Appleworks 7!
[quote]Originally posted by Nebrie:
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Anyone want to take a swing at Junkyard?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mac OSx86! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
But Keynote really looks good. Will probably buy it and show off to my friends!
Since the 80's, people have said that M$ could kill Apple at any time by dropping Office from the platform. IMO, Steve wants to change this.
By making their own browser and possibly Office alternative, Apple is taking responsibility for these factors in it's existence.
More thoughts about Keynote:
People have been asking since the public beta release of OS X why Apple would create and use Quartz instead of Quickdraw or some other less sophisticated display model. I remember some heated arguments about why this engine isn't necessary. People argued about how one could apply this new display model with any practical consequences. When Quartz Extreme premiered, people thought of how applications like Final Cut Pro could use the technology, but people still argued what use it was for machines and users that weren't that advanced. While we have plenty of Quartz-run applications out there that make use of its rendering and compositing features, this is a strong answer to those doubts and criticisms. This application makes PowerPoint v.X (which uses Quartz for charts, etc.) look like a real underacheiver. It's a step up from the iApps, yet affordable, and can be used for business, where it really counts. In some sense, it's purpose is to justify Quartz at a user level where it's not just eye-candy, but helps make the sale.
Also, aside from media apps and FileMaker, this is Apple's first foray into business software in... forever. It's the first serious productivity app they've made in years. But it still does play to their strength for media and graphics, so it really fills a hole in Apple's software strategy.
<strong>You know AW6 has the presentation module. So Keynote ... replaces that ... competes with is ... ??? Who wrote Keynote? An Apple tean or a AW team?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keynote is meant to be a professional tool - AW is not.
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Keynote is meant to be a professional tool - AW is not.</strong><hr></blockquote>
AW6 isn't even meant for amateurs. Think about it though. Apple sell two pieces of software that do the same thing.
<strong>AW6 isn't even meant for amateurs. Think about it though. Apple sell two pieces of software that do the same thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not quite sure what Apple is planning in this respect. On one hand, they have replaced AW's presentation module. On the other, it's sold separately (OK, technically AW is just bundled with only a few Macs) and costs more than all of AW together, so maybe there will be a sort of Keynote Express or new AW version too. Keynote isn't at FCP level of functionality or price, but it's not iMovie either.
<strong>I don't think the objective is to topple Office. Instead, Apple needs to provide real alternatives which work. Once they do this, they will not be at the mercy of M$.
Since the 80's, people have said that M$ could kill Apple at any time by dropping Office from the platform. IMO, Steve wants to change this.
By making their own browser and possibly Office alternative, Apple is taking responsibility for these factors in it's existence.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And this, I think, was the subtl, but key point about Keynote.
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I'm not quite sure what Apple is planning in this respect. On one hand, they have replaced AW's presentation module. On the other, it's sold separately (OK, technically AW is just bundled with only a few Macs) and costs more than all of AW together, so maybe there will be a sort of Keynote Express or new AW version too. Keynote isn't at FCP level of functionality or price, but it's not iMovie either.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think it WAY too soon to analyzing Apple's product positioning for Keynote and AW. I think that AW will eventually fade away. Just a guess. But they don't have all of the pieces in place just yet.
And whatever anybody says in public, that's gotta be keeping somebody up late at night in Redmond.