I just watched the demo Phil does and he used the MobileMe Web app not the Mac side app.
Ah, thanks for saving me the time of watching it. That explains it, and of course it makes sense that he would use the web app for the demo, since they're not trying to focus on Mac users only, but anyone with any computer.
The web app is slick, but realistically, aren't most people going to stick with their computer apps, like Mail or Outlook? I will because I have so many different email accounts on so many different services to keep track of. It's just easier with a desktop app.
I am new to the iPhone and got mine on Friday in Australia. Its a nice device but I am shocked that I can not send a contacts card via Bluetooth. This is a big omission. I mean seriously, my first bluetooth device which was a Nokia 6600 back in 2003 and it had this feature. In all the reviews I read about this device and its short coming I did not once read anything about the lack of this feature. I can't even attach contact to an email so there goes that option. For a device that is made to make things simple it has really made this simple. You just can't do it. No simpler than that.
After the MobileMe update fiasco, we don't want another strain on Apple's servers.
We just got through approximately 6 million 1G iPhones updating to Firmware 2.0 and the 1 million? NEW 3G iPhones coming online.
I hope Apple phases in the Mac-to-Cloud push over a few months.
And think about it, MobileMe is for MOBILE updates, when you're on the go, and you are NOT at your desktop or notebook. THEN you want PUSH to be done promptly. This completes your update and your phone can be shut off, extending battery life.
When you are at your desktop or notebook, you have your iPhone WITH you. You can sync with the cable, wait for 15 minutes, or sync manually. At the same time, your iPhone is also being charged.
WE DON'T WANT 25 MILLION MACS USING INSTANT PUSH ON DAY ONE of MobileMe.
And think about it, MobileMe is for MOBILE updates, when you're on the go, and you are NOT at your desktop or notebook. THEN you want PUSH to be done promptly. This completes your update and your phone can be shut off, extending battery life.
When you are at your desktop or notebook, you have your iPhone WITH you. You can sync with the cable, wait for 15 minutes, or sync manually. All the while, your iPhone is also being charged.
I may need to watch the keynote after all, for clarification. LOL.
Wasn't part of the spiel in the demo the idea that your secretary or someone changes your calendar while you're out and about and the change gets pushed to your phone right away? How does your scenario deal with that situation?
To the person above who said the instant stuff was Exchange side; are you sure? Exchange has NOTHING to do with MobileMe. Exchange is Exchange and is corporate. MobileMe was called by Steve Jobs "Exchange for the rest of us."
Hmm, I guess Apple forget to mention that there is no push future in OSX like what the users expected.
Just to make it clear, what I meant is Apple forget to mention about that unlike the iPhone which has the new push feature, OS X Tiger or Leopard do not have the pushing feature so the user wont see instant update like on the iPhone.
Maybe the next software update will have push function for OS X?
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WE DON'T WANT 25 MILLION MACS USING INSTANT PUSH ON DAY ONE of MobileMe.
I agree with you, look what happen to iPhone 3G launch day.
I was at a family reunion this weekend, iPhone (2.0) in hand. I updated some contact info and photos this morning on the phone. No signal where we were (on top of a mountain in Vermont).
Then, at 3:00 I update a photo only of another family member and put the next reunion on the calendar (all on the iPhone) while at the Basketball Hall of Fame with a good cell connection and Wi-Fi.
At home now, Address Book still not updated and neither is iCal. Checked at me.com, also not updated.
Jeeeeez, you need to chill out. "already two days in"??? You expect such a brand new, very complex, multi-component service to be bug-free and working perfectly AFTER 48 HOURS?? What Utopian universe do you live in? It will take at LEAST a few weeks and probably 1-2 months to get everything functioning smoothly. If this is a problem for you, then why would you sign-up for a brand new, wide-scale service that you know will experience hiccups and growing pains for a while?
Hahaha, you take the cake for the Apple Apologist Award this year! 1-2 months to work out bugs that were advertised as features?
Never mind the fact that all of us that had .mac were forced into this, we didn't just sign up.
I haven't gone through the entire thread but what I did was to force a sync from my iMac to MobileMe, I don't mean a manual sync but a fresh sync. After that sync was finished everything works as they described with the exception of the calendar subscriptions which someone pointed out already.
1) I can't get push to work for anything other than MM mail. I have forwarded my Gmail to MM and have my outgoing SMTP server and address register as Gmail so it's invisible to people sending me mail. The time Gmail receives it to the time it gets pushed to my iPhone 3G is essentially instantaneous.
2) With all the trouble with just getting MM online and then even more trouble with trying to maneuver in the app, I don't think it's a a far stretch to think that Push services haven't been turned on. I would have preferred if MM came out a month before or after the iPhone launch or if they would had taken the the free 60-day trial down for a short time. I can just imagine so many people trying to get a temp account to add to the "Apple experience" just to leave it behind shortly thereafter because it didn't work right.
3) The ability to push a sync to MM (when it's finally working right) won't be hard. It wouldn't take much for a decent developer to create a daemon that monitors the Address Book's .ABCDDB file in ~/Library/Application Support/ or iCal's Calendar Cache file located in ~/Library/Calendars for new modification dates (or even a change in file sizes if you want to get really basic) and then forces MM to do a sync. There are plenty of ways to accomplish, but this is the simplest solution I could come up with that was also transparent to the use.
"MobileMe stores all your email, contacts, and calendars in the cloud and pushes them down to your iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, and PC. When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You don’t have to wait for it or remember to do anything — such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually — to stay up to date."
IF it is true that Apple knows about the delay, then this is a pretty clear case of false advertising, and for people who actually signed up for the service based on Apple's promise that you "don't have to wait for it" or "do anything" (e.g. a manual override), it seems like a material misrepresentation or omission.
Of course, it's more likely to just be an oversight, and easily correctable with a software update.
However, if Apple doesn't fix this and make it true push, you can bet the class action plaintiffs firms will come at them.
(Yes, I'm a lawyer, but not the sleazy type who files class actions like this.)
I agree with you, look what happen to iPhone 3G launch day.
I'm sure that there are distinctly different server farms, as well as gateways into them, for iTunes Store, the App Store, iPhone activation, the Apple Store, and MobileMe. To put them all in one IS center with one way in and out would seem highly unlikely.
2) With all the trouble with just getting MM online and then even more trouble with trying to maneuver in the app, I don't think it's a a far stretch to think that Push services haven't been turned on. I would have preferred if MM came out a month before or after the iPhone launch or if they would had taken the the free 60-day trial down for a short time. I can just imagine so many people trying to get a temp account to add to the "Apple experience" just to leave it behind shortly thereafter because it didn't work right.
I agree, and one step further they should have done sequential roll outs of all the software. The big bang, all at once updating is an invitation to disaster.
I'm sure that there are distinctly different server farms, as well as gateways into them, for iTunes Store, the App Store, iPhone activation, the Apple Store, and MobileMe. To put them all in one IS center with one way in and out would seem highly unlikely.
While I am certain that there is a great deal of redundancy (both geographical and network), I suspect that much, if not most, of this resides in Apple's Newark data center which they purchased in 2006.
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The iPod maker is believed to have purchased the 107,000-square-foot facility for an estimated $45 million to $50 million -- illustrating rapidly rebounding demand for -- and the dwindling supply of -- Silicon Valley area data centers, according to the report.
When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously.
That paragraph is certainly unclear, but it's not a lie. The first sentence does not state that it happens immediately, it only states that the cloud will update the others, but without a mention of when the devices will send the update to the MM cloud.
The 2nd sentence could be construed as referring to Push from the server cloud out to the devices and merely giving a basic description of how Push works. Nothing I read stated that Push is bi-directional between the MM cloud and each device; we assumed that.
PS: Apple was clear when they wrote the sentence below...
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* Internet Explorer 7 is not fully supported. Internet Explorer 7 has known compatibility issues with modern web standards that affect Web 2.0 applications such as MobileMe. You can use Internet Explorer 7, but you will not have access to all MobileMe features and will experience slower performance.
Although I would like to see improvements, I can live with the up-to-15 minute delay in syncing items from a computer to MobileMe.
More troubling to me is that To-Do items created on a Mac (either in iCal or Mail) are not syncing to MobileMe. To-Do items created on MobileMe do sync to my Macs. Maybe they are still sorting things out but I hope this is addressed soon.
I also hope they implement shared calendars (as in Google Calendars). I want to be able to let multiple parties edit a calendar so that we can all see the others' schedule. Google Calendars has this - so should MobileMe.
In order to receive "push" on your Macintosh, you need to enable receiving .Mac Notifications on the machine.
Open System Preferences>MobileMe
Click the "Sync" tab
Check "Automatically" from the "Synchronize with MobileMe" popup
This will allow the computer to receive notifications from MobileMe's Sync servers when changes are made by other computers (Mac or Windows) syncing with MobileMe, iPhone & iPod Touch with push enabled, or Mobile web applications.
Note, .Mac notifications on Tiger and Leopard don't function on all network topologies (double NATs) or if your computer is behind a router which doesn't support NAT-PMP.
In order to receive "push" on your Macintosh, you need to enable receiving .Mac Notifications on the machine.
Open System Preferences>MobileMe
Click the "Sync" tab
Check "Automatically" from the "Synchronize with MobileMe" popup
This will allow the computer to receive notifications from MobileMe's Sync servers when changes are made by other computers (Mac or Windows) syncing with MobileMe, iPhone & iPod Touch with push enabled, or Mobile web applications.
Note, .Mac notifications on Tiger and Leopard don't function on all network topologies (double NATs) or if your computer is behind a router which doesn't support NAT-PMP.
This works for me. The 15 minute interval mentioned earlier in the thread is only when iPhone is not on wi-fi and the 15 minutes push interval is just a default. You can, if you like higher phone bills, make this more frequent when on the road. I love the PC and Mac linking via this. It was amazing to see all the Outlook contacts come pouring into the Mac and iPhone ... Fabulous technology. That clang was my palm pilot hitting the trash can side on the way in.
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I just watched the demo Phil does and he used the MobileMe Web app not the Mac side app.
Ah, thanks for saving me the time of watching it. That explains it, and of course it makes sense that he would use the web app for the demo, since they're not trying to focus on Mac users only, but anyone with any computer.
The web app is slick, but realistically, aren't most people going to stick with their computer apps, like Mail or Outlook? I will because I have so many different email accounts on so many different services to keep track of. It's just easier with a desktop app.
We just got through approximately 6 million 1G iPhones updating to Firmware 2.0 and the 1 million? NEW 3G iPhones coming online.
I hope Apple phases in the Mac-to-Cloud push over a few months.
And think about it, MobileMe is for MOBILE updates, when you're on the go, and you are NOT at your desktop or notebook. THEN you want PUSH to be done promptly. This completes your update and your phone can be shut off, extending battery life.
When you are at your desktop or notebook, you have your iPhone WITH you. You can sync with the cable, wait for 15 minutes, or sync manually. At the same time, your iPhone is also being charged.
WE DON'T WANT 25 MILLION MACS USING INSTANT PUSH ON DAY ONE of MobileMe.
And think about it, MobileMe is for MOBILE updates, when you're on the go, and you are NOT at your desktop or notebook. THEN you want PUSH to be done promptly. This completes your update and your phone can be shut off, extending battery life.
When you are at your desktop or notebook, you have your iPhone WITH you. You can sync with the cable, wait for 15 minutes, or sync manually. All the while, your iPhone is also being charged.
I may need to watch the keynote after all, for clarification. LOL.
Wasn't part of the spiel in the demo the idea that your secretary or someone changes your calendar while you're out and about and the change gets pushed to your phone right away? How does your scenario deal with that situation?
To the person above who said the instant stuff was Exchange side; are you sure? Exchange has NOTHING to do with MobileMe. Exchange is Exchange and is corporate. MobileMe was called by Steve Jobs "Exchange for the rest of us."
Just to make it clear, what I meant is Apple forget to mention about that unlike the iPhone which has the new push feature, OS X Tiger or Leopard do not have the pushing feature so the user wont see instant update like on the iPhone.
Maybe the next software update will have push function for OS X?
WE DON'T WANT 25 MILLION MACS USING INSTANT PUSH ON DAY ONE of MobileMe.
I agree with you, look what happen to iPhone 3G launch day.
Then, at 3:00 I update a photo only of another family member and put the next reunion on the calendar (all on the iPhone) while at the Basketball Hall of Fame with a good cell connection and Wi-Fi.
At home now, Address Book still not updated and neither is iCal. Checked at me.com, also not updated.
Jeeeeez, you need to chill out. "already two days in"??? You expect such a brand new, very complex, multi-component service to be bug-free and working perfectly AFTER 48 HOURS?? What Utopian universe do you live in? It will take at LEAST a few weeks and probably 1-2 months to get everything functioning smoothly. If this is a problem for you, then why would you sign-up for a brand new, wide-scale service that you know will experience hiccups and growing pains for a while?
Hahaha, you take the cake for the Apple Apologist Award this year! 1-2 months to work out bugs that were advertised as features?
Never mind the fact that all of us that had .mac were forced into this, we didn't just sign up.
2) With all the trouble with just getting MM online and then even more trouble with trying to maneuver in the app, I don't think it's a a far stretch to think that Push services haven't been turned on. I would have preferred if MM came out a month before or after the iPhone launch or if they would had taken the the free 60-day trial down for a short time. I can just imagine so many people trying to get a temp account to add to the "Apple experience" just to leave it behind shortly thereafter because it didn't work right.
3) The ability to push a sync to MM (when it's finally working right) won't be hard. It wouldn't take much for a decent developer to create a daemon that monitors the Address Book's .ABCDDB file in ~/Library/Application Support/ or iCal's Calendar Cache file located in ~/Library/Calendars for new modification dates (or even a change in file sizes if you want to get really basic) and then forces MM to do a sync. There are plenty of ways to accomplish, but this is the simplest solution I could come up with that was also transparent to the use.
"MobileMe stores all your email, contacts, and calendars in the cloud and pushes them down to your iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, and PC. When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You don’t have to wait for it or remember to do anything — such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually — to stay up to date."
IF it is true that Apple knows about the delay, then this is a pretty clear case of false advertising, and for people who actually signed up for the service based on Apple's promise that you "don't have to wait for it" or "do anything" (e.g. a manual override), it seems like a material misrepresentation or omission.
Of course, it's more likely to just be an oversight, and easily correctable with a software update.
However, if Apple doesn't fix this and make it true push, you can bet the class action plaintiffs firms will come at them.
(Yes, I'm a lawyer, but not the sleazy type who files class actions like this.)
I agree with you, look what happen to iPhone 3G launch day.
I'm sure that there are distinctly different server farms, as well as gateways into them, for iTunes Store, the App Store, iPhone activation, the Apple Store, and MobileMe. To put them all in one IS center with one way in and out would seem highly unlikely.
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2) With all the trouble with just getting MM online and then even more trouble with trying to maneuver in the app, I don't think it's a a far stretch to think that Push services haven't been turned on. I would have preferred if MM came out a month before or after the iPhone launch or if they would had taken the the free 60-day trial down for a short time. I can just imagine so many people trying to get a temp account to add to the "Apple experience" just to leave it behind shortly thereafter because it didn't work right.
I agree, and one step further they should have done sequential roll outs of all the software. The big bang, all at once updating is an invitation to disaster.
I'm sure that there are distinctly different server farms, as well as gateways into them, for iTunes Store, the App Store, iPhone activation, the Apple Store, and MobileMe. To put them all in one IS center with one way in and out would seem highly unlikely.
While I am certain that there is a great deal of redundancy (both geographical and network), I suspect that much, if not most, of this resides in Apple's Newark data center which they purchased in 2006.
The iPod maker is believed to have purchased the 107,000-square-foot facility for an estimated $45 million to $50 million -- illustrating rapidly rebounding demand for -- and the dwindling supply of -- Silicon Valley area data centers, according to the report.
The complete story is at http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...t_for_mci.html
Marketing paradigm = Big marketing Splash >> but big IT technical backsplash
When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously.
That paragraph is certainly unclear, but it's not a lie. The first sentence does not state that it happens immediately, it only states that the cloud will update the others, but without a mention of when the devices will send the update to the MM cloud.
The 2nd sentence could be construed as referring to Push from the server cloud out to the devices and merely giving a basic description of how Push works. Nothing I read stated that Push is bi-directional between the MM cloud and each device; we assumed that.
PS: Apple was clear when they wrote the sentence below...
* Internet Explorer 7 is not fully supported. Internet Explorer 7 has known compatibility issues with modern web standards that affect Web 2.0 applications such as MobileMe. You can use Internet Explorer 7, but you will not have access to all MobileMe features and will experience slower performance.
Although I would like to see improvements, I can live with the up-to-15 minute delay in syncing items from a computer to MobileMe.
More troubling to me is that To-Do items created on a Mac (either in iCal or Mail) are not syncing to MobileMe. To-Do items created on MobileMe do sync to my Macs. Maybe they are still sorting things out but I hope this is addressed soon.
I also hope they implement shared calendars (as in Google Calendars). I want to be able to let multiple parties edit a calendar so that we can all see the others' schedule. Google Calendars has this - so should MobileMe.
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Open System Preferences>MobileMe
Click the "Sync" tab
Check "Automatically" from the "Synchronize with MobileMe" popup
This will allow the computer to receive notifications from MobileMe's Sync servers when changes are made by other computers (Mac or Windows) syncing with MobileMe, iPhone & iPod Touch with push enabled, or Mobile web applications.
Note, .Mac notifications on Tiger and Leopard don't function on all network topologies (double NATs) or if your computer is behind a router which doesn't support NAT-PMP.
In order to receive "push" on your Macintosh, you need to enable receiving .Mac Notifications on the machine.
Open System Preferences>MobileMe
Click the "Sync" tab
Check "Automatically" from the "Synchronize with MobileMe" popup
This will allow the computer to receive notifications from MobileMe's Sync servers when changes are made by other computers (Mac or Windows) syncing with MobileMe, iPhone & iPod Touch with push enabled, or Mobile web applications.
Note, .Mac notifications on Tiger and Leopard don't function on all network topologies (double NATs) or if your computer is behind a router which doesn't support NAT-PMP.
This works for me. The 15 minute interval mentioned earlier in the thread is only when iPhone is not on wi-fi and the 15 minutes push interval is just a default. You can, if you like higher phone bills, make this more frequent when on the road. I love the PC and Mac linking via this. It was amazing to see all the Outlook contacts come pouring into the Mac and iPhone ... Fabulous technology. That clang was my palm pilot hitting the trash can side on the way in.
Of course, I had to click on a few buttons and read stuff to get it sorted. Golly gosh.
Sorry, just needed that ol' school jam in there.