Does anyone have any idea how HSBC is going to manage that many iPhones? I tried to pose this question on another forum, but there didn't seem to be any concern about this type of transition.
The first hurdle was whether HSBC is willing to put iTunes on all of their computers in order to sync up each iPhone. If each person has iTunes on their computer, then I imagine IT wouldn't be able to control whether the person wanted to add games or any apps or media on their iPhone, which might be a security problem.
Secondly, if HSBC was to use the ad hoc method of managing iPhones, how difficult would it be to manage iPhones in blocks of 100 which is currently the limit for the ad hoc management method. So far there there isn't any scalable solution beyond 100.
I'm sure HSBC has a pilot program going, but making the leap from, say, 50 iPhones to 200,000 seems like it would be rather difficult unless Apple supplied the tools to manage much larger numbers of iPhones.
Am I wrong in thinking this might be a serious problem for the IT people, or is this something that is easily solved. I would appreciate some honest comments to these questions. I always seem to be called an Apple hater if I ask these sort of questions.
I would imagine that their networks could handle it. After all, they must have 300,000 desktops now. How do they manage those? Or all the phones they have now?
That's what they pay those 30,000 people to figure out.
I would imagine that their networks could handle it. After all, they must have 300,000 desktops now. How do they manage those? Or all the phones they have now?
That's what they pay those 30,000 people to figure out.
Their Blackberries are most likely being managed wirelessly, and without putting any Blackberry desktop software on users' PCs. iPhone does not support over the air installation of custom enterprise applications. It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
I doubt that they currently have iTunes on their 300,000 desktops. Their Blackberries are most likely being used without putting the Blackberry desktop software on users' computers. What if those 30,000 people want to set up iPhones to be completely free of iTunes? Since Apple currently does not support installing custom enterprise applications over the air, will IT have to manually install their applications by plugging in each user's iPhone to a computer with iTunes? Would the same apply to iPhone OS updates?
It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
The custom apps thing would be an issue, but ActiveSync can be done without using iTunes.
I am half expecting a specialised version of iTunes for businesses that does allow for thec exclusion of non-essential parts of iTunes for this very reason. Similar to what ATT has for activating iPhones.
Since the App Store app gets updates sent to it quite possible that Apple could allow its Enterprise version to maintain their own update server with the app(s) polling periodically (or getting updates pushed to them) when an update is added with a built in method for having it automatically downloaded and installed without further user interaction.
Despite the iPhone's ease of use/wonderful interface, until it has email/contacts/calender integration AND above all... proper security straight out of the box I find this very difficult to digest.
They really shouldn't rely on the iPhone for their business just yet. The software is still horrible. I'm getting tired of restoring my phone every other day so I'm hoping that I just received a defective phone and I'm heading to the bar tonight to get it replaced. I could never recommend the iPhone to a company that relies on their smartphones for business. If it were later on in the game when Apple hopefully fixes the bugs and instability... sure. But not now.
You have a Lemon for sure. We had one like that and Apple shipped us a replacement one on loan with a return box so they could check ours out. Indeed it was a faulty iPhone and they sent us a new one with a return box for the loaner. Down time for us ... zero. New iPhone ... flawless.
Does anyone have any idea how HSBC is going to manage that many iPhones? I tried to pose this question on another forum, but there didn't seem to be any concern about this type of transition.
The first hurdle was whether HSBC is willing to put iTunes on all of their computers in order to sync up each iPhone. If each person has iTunes on their computer, then I imagine IT wouldn't be able to control whether the person wanted to add games or any apps or media on their iPhone, which might be a security problem.
Secondly, if HSBC was to use the ad hoc method of managing iPhones, how difficult would it be to manage iPhones in blocks of 100 which is currently the limit for the ad hoc management method. So far there there isn't any scalable solution beyond 100.
I'm sure HSBC has a pilot program going, but making the leap from, say, 50 iPhones to 200,000 seems like it would be rather difficult unless Apple supplied the tools to manage much larger numbers of iPhones.
Am I wrong in thinking this might be a serious problem for the IT people, or is this something that is easily solved. I would appreciate some honest comments to these questions. I always seem to be called an Apple hater if I ask these sort of questions.
I was also thinking Apple need a special version of iTunes for IT controlled institutions. A version that is slimmed down with only that which is needed or perhaps a version that has an admin and user version where features can be turned off and on by the network admin. Perhaps the very name is wrong too if this is version has no music store. iCenter or iControl maybe?
mmmm, I love the iphone but it's not ready for prime time. There's to many problems. I was lucky to get one for free, I love what it does but it's buggy, no removable battery, and the hardware goes. I'm on my 5th phone already. My wife has a blackberry and the thing just works. The iphone has a better screen but I'm always fighting with it.
Wow, so you're the one that we are all subsidizing! The Genius Bar guys must really "like" you.
I'm sure this is partly IT head beginning to negotiate too, but someone in charge of 30,000 people in a multi-billion dollar company can't be merely playing games in the business media where a few points on the stock market has important repercussions. I'm sure he is serious and I wouldn't be surprised if he has already had high level talks with Apple about sharing engineers to fix the very problems many here have mentioned.
It's not like he is going to be getting up every morning to see if MobileMe is down again or if OmniFocus has been updated at the App Store. If I were Apple, I'd have a special wing at Cupertino full of HSBC and Apple engineers configuring secure, proprietary s/w. Why can't HSBC's own apps have internal encryption? I bet it takes one firmware upgrade (there would be two by the time HSBC bought their first iPhone) to get cut and paste.
Re: keyboards, I don't see why Apple doesn't just come up with its own keyboard peripheral anyway!! iPhones have been out long enough to show off the screen only functionality. Why not make an attachment the same size as the iPhone, that clips into the 32 pin port and runs a keyboard aligned to the iPhone screen in landscape mode? The keyboard would be ten times better than the BB pixie keys a it could close up to protect both screen and keyboard and you could take it off when traveling and are mostly in phone mode yourself.
Their Blackberries are most likely being managed wirelessly, and without putting any Blackberry desktop software on users' PCs. iPhone does not support over the air installation of custom enterprise applications. It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
It doesn't really matter how it's done, as long as it works well.
Besides, people have to remember that this is business ver 1.0 for Apple. The other business models were much worse in the beginning. Apple will improve this as well, and likely, if it doesn't prove to be sufficient, will make the required changes until it is.
After all, there were companies using the iPhone in its first incarnation, when it had almost no business features.
As these problems are software based, Apple can do what is necessary later for these current phones, just as they did now for the older models.
I was also thinking Apple need a special version of iTunes for IT controlled institutions. A version that is slimmed down with only that which is needed or perhaps a version that has an admin and user version where features can be turned off and on by the network admin. Perhaps the very name is wrong too if this is version has no music store. iCenter or iControl maybe?
They did announce something like that for business and government. Some think it's not enough though. I'm pretty sure that Apple will be listening.
If HSBC ultimately tells Apple that they would buy 200,000 phones, with more later, but that the means to disseminate their apps isn't good enough, and Apple hears the same from other large and medium sized businesses and governments, I would imagine that that would be enough incentive for them to work out a way that would make these institutions happy. I can't see then being willing to give up what could be several million phone sales a year, as they've now shown that that non consumer market is important to them.
At 4400mAh it sould charge your iPhone about 3x. Have you used it yet? I don't see any info saying that it's compatible with the iPhone 3G. If it is, please let me know.
Yeah, HSBC might have mentioned it over coffee one morning.
Must have been a boring day, as I'm sure that one got a few laughs.
iPhone.... spare me. TOY.
Joke right? iPhone is a Mac in your pocket so obviously the furthest thing from a toy out there.
On the one hand you have so called smart phones which are being pushed beyond their designs to try to match even some iPhone abilities and on the other hand you have an iPhone barely scratching the surface of its capabilities yet. It's like comparing a complex cash register with a computer.
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Does anyone have any idea how HSBC is going to manage that many iPhones? I tried to pose this question on another forum, but there didn't seem to be any concern about this type of transition.
The first hurdle was whether HSBC is willing to put iTunes on all of their computers in order to sync up each iPhone. If each person has iTunes on their computer, then I imagine IT wouldn't be able to control whether the person wanted to add games or any apps or media on their iPhone, which might be a security problem.
Secondly, if HSBC was to use the ad hoc method of managing iPhones, how difficult would it be to manage iPhones in blocks of 100 which is currently the limit for the ad hoc management method. So far there there isn't any scalable solution beyond 100.
I'm sure HSBC has a pilot program going, but making the leap from, say, 50 iPhones to 200,000 seems like it would be rather difficult unless Apple supplied the tools to manage much larger numbers of iPhones.
Am I wrong in thinking this might be a serious problem for the IT people, or is this something that is easily solved. I would appreciate some honest comments to these questions. I always seem to be called an Apple hater if I ask these sort of questions.
I would imagine that their networks could handle it. After all, they must have 300,000 desktops now. How do they manage those? Or all the phones they have now?
That's what they pay those 30,000 people to figure out.
I would imagine that their networks could handle it. After all, they must have 300,000 desktops now. How do they manage those? Or all the phones they have now?
That's what they pay those 30,000 people to figure out.
Their Blackberries are most likely being managed wirelessly, and without putting any Blackberry desktop software on users' PCs. iPhone does not support over the air installation of custom enterprise applications. It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
I doubt that they currently have iTunes on their 300,000 desktops. Their Blackberries are most likely being used without putting the Blackberry desktop software on users' computers. What if those 30,000 people want to set up iPhones to be completely free of iTunes? Since Apple currently does not support installing custom enterprise applications over the air, will IT have to manually install their applications by plugging in each user's iPhone to a computer with iTunes? Would the same apply to iPhone OS updates?
It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
The custom apps thing would be an issue, but ActiveSync can be done without using iTunes.
I am half expecting a specialised version of iTunes for businesses that does allow for thec exclusion of non-essential parts of iTunes for this very reason. Similar to what ATT has for activating iPhones.
Since the App Store app gets updates sent to it quite possible that Apple could allow its Enterprise version to maintain their own update server with the app(s) polling periodically (or getting updates pushed to them) when an update is added with a built in method for having it automatically downloaded and installed without further user interaction.
And it is not even April 1st!
They really shouldn't rely on the iPhone for their business just yet. The software is still horrible. I'm getting tired of restoring my phone every other day so I'm hoping that I just received a defective phone and I'm heading to the bar tonight to get it replaced. I could never recommend the iPhone to a company that relies on their smartphones for business. If it were later on in the game when Apple hopefully fixes the bugs and instability... sure. But not now.
You have a Lemon for sure. We had one like that and Apple shipped us a replacement one on loan with a return box so they could check ours out. Indeed it was a faulty iPhone and they sent us a new one with a return box for the loaner. Down time for us ... zero. New iPhone ... flawless.
Does anyone have any idea how HSBC is going to manage that many iPhones? I tried to pose this question on another forum, but there didn't seem to be any concern about this type of transition.
The first hurdle was whether HSBC is willing to put iTunes on all of their computers in order to sync up each iPhone. If each person has iTunes on their computer, then I imagine IT wouldn't be able to control whether the person wanted to add games or any apps or media on their iPhone, which might be a security problem.
Secondly, if HSBC was to use the ad hoc method of managing iPhones, how difficult would it be to manage iPhones in blocks of 100 which is currently the limit for the ad hoc management method. So far there there isn't any scalable solution beyond 100.
I'm sure HSBC has a pilot program going, but making the leap from, say, 50 iPhones to 200,000 seems like it would be rather difficult unless Apple supplied the tools to manage much larger numbers of iPhones.
Am I wrong in thinking this might be a serious problem for the IT people, or is this something that is easily solved. I would appreciate some honest comments to these questions. I always seem to be called an Apple hater if I ask these sort of questions.
I was also thinking Apple need a special version of iTunes for IT controlled institutions. A version that is slimmed down with only that which is needed or perhaps a version that has an admin and user version where features can be turned off and on by the network admin. Perhaps the very name is wrong too if this is version has no music store. iCenter or iControl maybe?
if they can find them.
Fear not. For sales potential like this Apple would not only open a new factory they'd offer to design a custom model I bet!
mmmm, I love the iphone but it's not ready for prime time. There's to many problems. I was lucky to get one for free, I love what it does but it's buggy, no removable battery, and the hardware goes. I'm on my 5th phone already. My wife has a blackberry and the thing just works. The iphone has a better screen but I'm always fighting with it.
Wow, so you're the one that we are all subsidizing! The Genius Bar guys must really "like" you.
Maybe if you took care of your toys ...
It's not like he is going to be getting up every morning to see if MobileMe is down again or if OmniFocus has been updated at the App Store. If I were Apple, I'd have a special wing at Cupertino full of HSBC and Apple engineers configuring secure, proprietary s/w. Why can't HSBC's own apps have internal encryption? I bet it takes one firmware upgrade (there would be two by the time HSBC bought their first iPhone) to get cut and paste.
Re: keyboards, I don't see why Apple doesn't just come up with its own keyboard peripheral anyway!! iPhones have been out long enough to show off the screen only functionality. Why not make an attachment the same size as the iPhone, that clips into the 32 pin port and runs a keyboard aligned to the iPhone screen in landscape mode? The keyboard would be ten times better than the BB pixie keys a it could close up to protect both screen and keyboard and you could take it off when traveling and are mostly in phone mode yourself.
Their Blackberries are most likely being managed wirelessly, and without putting any Blackberry desktop software on users' PCs. iPhone does not support over the air installation of custom enterprise applications. It seems like Apple is trying to find ways to push iTunes into enterprises even though it doesn't have to be that way.
It doesn't really matter how it's done, as long as it works well.
Besides, people have to remember that this is business ver 1.0 for Apple. The other business models were much worse in the beginning. Apple will improve this as well, and likely, if it doesn't prove to be sufficient, will make the required changes until it is.
After all, there were companies using the iPhone in its first incarnation, when it had almost no business features.
As these problems are software based, Apple can do what is necessary later for these current phones, just as they did now for the older models.
What other phone maker could ever say that?
I was also thinking Apple need a special version of iTunes for IT controlled institutions. A version that is slimmed down with only that which is needed or perhaps a version that has an admin and user version where features can be turned off and on by the network admin. Perhaps the very name is wrong too if this is version has no music store. iCenter or iControl maybe?
They did announce something like that for business and government. Some think it's not enough though. I'm pretty sure that Apple will be listening.
If HSBC ultimately tells Apple that they would buy 200,000 phones, with more later, but that the means to disseminate their apps isn't good enough, and Apple hears the same from other large and medium sized businesses and governments, I would imagine that that would be enough incentive for them to work out a way that would make these institutions happy. I can't see then being willing to give up what could be several million phone sales a year, as they've now shown that that non consumer market is important to them.
At 4400mAh it sould charge your iPhone about 3x. Have you used it yet? I don't see any info saying that it's compatible with the iPhone 3G. If it is, please let me know.
It is.
It is.
What was this thing again? Now that we've got our phones, it suddenly becomes interesting.
Must have been a boring day, as I'm sure that one got a few laughs.
iPhone.... spare me. TOY.
Yeah, HSBC might have mentioned it over coffee one morning.
Must have been a boring day, as I'm sure that one got a few laughs.
iPhone.... spare me. TOY.
Joke right? iPhone is a Mac in your pocket so obviously the furthest thing from a toy out there.
On the one hand you have so called smart phones which are being pushed beyond their designs to try to match even some iPhone abilities and on the other hand you have an iPhone barely scratching the surface of its capabilities yet. It's like comparing a complex cash register with a computer.
Yeah, HSBC might have mentioned it over coffee one morning.
Must have been a boring day, as I'm sure that one got a few laughs.
iPhone.... spare me. TOY.
I guess you didn't really pay attention to what was said in the article, right?
Nice try at a troll.