If other phones were faultless and bugless I'd be more inclined to complain, but to be honest the issues that the iphone 3G is having as a first release (which it is a .0 version) are fairly standard for smartphones.
My other phone (oh what a world when you need two mobiles) has many of the same issues as people report with the iphone 3G. Namely its web-browser (which is ironically webkit based) crashes a lot (mainly when browsing big pages or those with any level of interaction), it's mail app locks up from times to time, and third party apps are of variable quality. Oh and it can't do copy or paste either.
Perhaps there are some bugs in the initial release. To be honest I haven't been bothered by them. My 3G reception is good (even when it is 1-2 bars at home I can still make and receive calls with good clarity), safari does crash on the odd occasion but not enough to bother me, and can't say mail has crashed on me. A couple of the third party apps have crashed to, but most of the ones I use are pretty solid. But what i do know most of all is that Apple are working on fixing things and making things even better.
I must say the BS in this thread in support of Apple is just a little to much for this user to take. ... It is espcially bad that key apps have serious stability issues. For example:
Mail
Mail has crashed for me more than just about any app on iPhone. Sometimes right at start up. Mind you these are spimple text based mails causing this problem. Sadly E-Mail is a big reason for having a smart phone in the first place.
Safari
Safari does crash from time to time but probably isn't as bad as browsers on other phones. That of course is not saying much. If nothing else they need to fix text handeling. I'm more concerned about the lack of features, iPhone Safari still leaves a lot to be desired relative to a desk top browser.
Calendar
Let's face it calendar is really nice until you try to sync it. Then it becomes a piece of crap. Very disappointed as this is the #2 reason to have a smart phone on you. If iPhone Cal can't mirror the structures I'm using on my Mac then what the hell good is it? It is not that difficult either with one group of four calendars. Worst yet is there is apparently no simple way to get iPhone Cal to resync with your master schedule. Frankly I can't believe that keeping the two devices in sync should be that hard.
Contacts
Contacts works but like calendar seems to have sync issues. Yes it is Sloooooow too. Data entry on the iPhone sucks two, l need to be able to enter in all the data that I can on the desktop. By the way the only reason to have a contacts app is to provide a desktop equal.
Dave
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
Yep, Blackberry it is because "It just works!".
I'd love to have an iPhone but I can wait till all the bleeding-on-the-edge stops and stability kicks-in. I suppose that is why Apple is working to release Snow Leopard as a stability, security, and app footprint shrinkage release. Snow Leopard will also be the basis for the iPhone OS.
Either that or Apple's developer team is split between the two camps and they can't afford the resources to release a feature-rich 10.6 in the time frame they like.
Either that or Apple's developer team is split between the two camps and they can't afford the resources to release a feature-rich 10.6 in the time frame they like.
Don't be fooled, SL is full of new stuff. It's possible for it to be even more buggier than Leopard was as there are major changes to the foundation in cutting edge ways that have yet to be worked out.
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
I would definitely get the iPhone, it's an amazing device. The issues are very minor in comparison to any smart phones out there including my faivorite Blackberry. If you start facing any problems on the iPhone all you need to do is restart and the thing will start working perfectly again. After I upgraded to v.2.0.1 I had no issues whatsoever.
When we complain about the iPhone, it's because we are spoilt and impatient. Whether it's Apple or any other phone manufacturer in the world, they will never be able to fulfill our demands... EVER, because our demands are ridiculous, from a time-frame perspective. We want a brand new device to work flawlessly with all the features on all phones and navigation devices that were ever made, even if those features did not work well on those devices we want them and we want them to work better and work flawlessly NOW!
I've been using the iPhone since it's launch in 2007 and I've never looked back, it kicks EVERY smart phone's ass in many many ways, Trios, Blackberries, MS Mobile, and all. This thing is waaaaay better.
3) One-thousand one, one-thousand-two. 2 to 7 seconds is unreasonable for such a small device? Have you tried the apps on other higher function phones? The one thing about the iPhone OS is that it is very responsive. But there are some issues with the OS that need work, especially with Safari and typing in web forms.
I think 2-7 seconds is pretty laggy, if the hardware is as fast as it's reputed to be, it doesn't seem right that it's that slow. I have a five year old Palm-based device that's not a phone, but everything on it is definitely snappier than iPhone, and it doesn't rely on flashy transitions to distract the user from the delays.
I think 2-7 seconds is pretty laggy, if the hardware is as fast as it's reputed to be, it doesn't seem right that it's that slow. I have a five year old Palm-based device that's not a phone, but everything on it is definitely snappier than iPhone, and it doesn't rely on flashy transitions to distract the user from the delays.
Are we really having an issue with 2 seconds? Safari and Mail load much faster on my iPhone than on my 7month old black MB with 4GB RAM and nothing else running. Simpler apps will load faster than complex ones so I'm surprised by this.
Are we really having an issue with 2 seconds? Safari and Mail load much faster on my iPhone than on my 7month old black MB with 4GB RAM and nothing else running. Simpler apps will load faster than complex ones so I'm surprised by this.
That other person was saying 2-7 seconds and you are ignoring the upper limit and exhorting us to lower our standards.
Not only that, it's seemingly 1-2 seconds for every action, and that part is a bit of an irritating regression from an older device, which does compare better side-by-side in terms of snappiness, not so good when there is a five year difference in technology in the mix.
I really don't use Mail on either platform. But once launched, an email program on a computer can just stay running and swapped to and away in an instant. Not so on the iPhone.
That other person was saying 2-7 seconds and you are ignoring the upper limit and exhorting us to lower our standards.
Not only that, it's seemingly two seconds for every action, and that part is a bit of an irritating regression from an older device, which does compare better side-by-side in terms of snappiness, not so good when there is a five year difference in technology in the mix.
I really don't use Mail on either platform. But once launched, an email program on a computer can just stay running and swapped to and away in an instant. Not so on the iPhone.
Of course I picked 2 seconds as it was stated to be a too slow. I think this is ridiculous. My apps load the same as the commercials show, webpages themselves not withstanding). My iPhone certainly feels snappier than any other smartphone I've used but I didn't do any direct comparative testing so I don't know for sure, but it sure seems that way.
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Originally Posted by Anand
The iPhone interface remains the best combination of simplicity, functionality and speed I have seen in any smartphone. Animations are smooth and fast, and the interface is just plain responsive. Since the physical interface is done mostly via the touchscreen, Apple needed something that responded very naturally, and honestly it’s nearly perfect.
Like the rest of the features, the iPhone’s mail client is very fast and makes checking/responding to emails ridiculously easy - even easier than on my old Blackberry. The interface’s simplicity and quickness are key here.
Not taking a service that isn't ready or that is buggy out would have been the better solution? If the feature needs further development then why would developers want to mess with it at this point? Out sequence. First things first.
Our project relies on push notification 100%. It's better to have SOME support than no support.
I must say the BS in this thread in support of Apple is just a little to much for this user to take. Also I'm very happy to see that Apple has wise up with respect to 2.1, they need to spend a lot of time getting the bugs out of the OS and apps first.
Bugs are where most of the complaints about 3G lay and as a new user I fan say with some authority are highly justified. It is espcially bad that key apps have serious stability issues. For example:
Mail
Mail has crashed for me more than just about any app on iPhone. Sometimes right at start up. Mind you these are spimple text based mails causing this problem. Sadly E-Mail is a big reason for having a smart phone in the first place.
Safari
Safari does crash from time to time but probably isn't as bad as browsers on other phones. That of course is not saying much. If nothing else they need to fix text handeling. I'm more concerned about the lack of features, iPhone Safari still leaves a lot to be desired relative to a desk top browser.
Calendar
Let's face it calendar is really nice until you try to sync it. Then it becomes a piece of crap. Very disappointed as this is the #2 reason to have a smart phone on you. If iPhone Cal can't mirror the structures I'm using on my Mac then what the hell good is it? It is not that difficult either with one group of four calendars. Worst yet is there is apparently no simple way to get iPhone Cal to resync with your master schedule. Frankly I can't believe that keeping the two devices in sync should be that hard.
Contacts
Contacts works but like calendar seems to have sync issues. Yes it is Sloooooow too. Data entry on the iPhone sucks two, l need to be able to enter in all the data that I can on the desktop. By the way the only reason to have a contacts app is to provide a desktop equal.
Well in any event a couple of issues off the top. The 3G experience is worst than I expected but frankly a very usable device. The only thing that would change my mind is if Apple abandoned development on the unit. In a nut schell the whole reason I went with an iPhone is Apples track record on version 1. They eventually got things humming along nicely there. The problem with 3G is that they have regressed far more thanexpected and have a lot of catching up to do. So in a nut shell they better drop all those new features and finish off what they currently have.
I do mean finish off as one only has to work with they SDK a little bit to realize that there are far to many bugs in the device. I'm note sure what the issues are that lead to the current mess but the need to get things cleared up before the competition responds.
Dave
Holy Crap,
Looks like you have no luck mate. I use my 3G iPhone every day.
Mail - Never crashed once, push mail from mobile me works fine (I have multiple accounts which forward all mail to my .Mac email account and I receive 600+ emails per day in various formats, Plain, RTF, HTML.)
Calendars - Sync through mobile me fine, I have 4 calendars set to sync from my iMac. Its a shame that they dont enable invitations yet but I am sure it will come. (again, never had a crash)
Safari - Its safari, occasional crashes. (seems to be if I try to navigate a large page before it has finished loading)
Contacts - No issues since 2.0.1 (before that they were slow to load)
Bugs - Had some issues with apps not loading. Now I install ALL apps via iTunes. No problems anymore.
Have you run the Pwnage software??
I did play around with the Jailbreak app at one point and it turned my Iphone into an incredibly buggy piece of crap, everything was slow and all aps kept crapping out on me. Did a restore and all was well.
This was the same when I jailbeaked and unlocked my non 3G iPhone 2.0 and it also ran like crap. Upgraded to 2.0.1 (it stayed unlocked) and works like a dream.
One of our customers has deployed 50 iPhone 3G's and we issued them with a list of do's and don'ts and also a troubleshooting guide and we have only had two issues so far with them after a month of use and these were 100% hardware failures (one wouldn't charge and one had a broken screen - user sat on it lol)
Just for context what other phone with a desktop kernal based OS and desktop API's, render full HTML, wirelessly sync with a cloud service and PC - launch from version .0 with every function working perfectly with no bug fixes?
To put it even more simply. What smartphone mobile phone OS launched from version .0 with every function working perfectly and required no bug fixes?
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
1) It's v2.0.1. The iPhone v2.0 was only released 37 days ago with the first bug -focused update coming only 23 days later. It didn't solve all the issues (not that any bug update could solve every issue) but it did fix a lot of the lag I was having. Version 2.1 is only for developers (and ones that signed up prior to July 11th, at that) so it isn't fair to say it's v2.1 at this point.
Take a look (link below) at what they added between v1.1.4 and v2.0; of course there would be some hiccups but at least they are taking care of them quickly. The rumour is that v2.1 will be golden master sometime in September. That will the 3rd v2.x release within about a 2 month period and it may be sooner as they already on the 3rd Beta.
2) Changing 'often' for 'left and right' is just as subjective. So instead of subjective term I'll offer up a subjective experience: Since installing v2.0.1 it has been more stable than my memory of using a WinMo v6.0 handset. Though OS X iPhone v1.1.4 did feel snappier and Safari was surely more stable than in version v2.0.1 despite the browser engine being faster. The issue I have with Safari is whe typing comments in a web form and the virtual keyboard slows down considerably and will sometimes crash, but it's less often now. I've had no issues with apps crashing or items not syncing correctly (though I don't a calendar).
Looks like you have no luck mate. I use my 3G iPhone every day.
Mail - Never crashed once, push mail from mobile me works fine (I have multiple accounts which forward all mail to my .Mac email account and I receive 600+ emails per day in various formats, Plain, RTF, HTML.)
Calendars - Sync through mobile me fine, I have 4 calendars set to sync from my iMac. Its a shame that they dont enable invitations yet but I am sure it will come. (again, never had a crash)
Safari - Its safari, occasional crashes. (seems to be if I try to navigate a large page before it has finished loading)
Contacts - No issues since 2.0.1 (before that they were slow to load)
Bugs - Had some issues with apps not loading. Now I install ALL apps via iTunes. No problems anymore.
Have you run the Pwnage software??
I did play around with the Jailbreak app at one point and it turned my Iphone into an incredibly buggy piece of crap, everything was slow and all aps kept crapping out on me. Did a restore and all was well.
This was the same when I jailbeaked and unlocked my non 3G iPhone 2.0 and it also ran like crap. Upgraded to 2.0.1 (it stayed unlocked) and works like a dream.
One of our customers has deployed 50 iPhone 3G's and we issued them with a list of do's and don'ts and also a troubleshooting guide and we have only had two issues so far with them after a month of use and these were 100% hardware failures (one wouldn't charge and one had a broken screen - user sat on it lol)
All handsets are now on 2.0.1 and on O2 in the UK
My experiences are just like yours. I've had very, very, very few issues. No issues with the included apps. No issues with speed.
I wonder how many of the people that are reporting issues are jail breaking their phone and then blaming Apple....
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
My wife has a Blackberry Curve. I've found that syncing on that with Windows is a pain. She has already had two situations where syncing failed with an ridiculous error message (something like "Error Number 4107"). No explanation. The first problem occurred while syncing the first time. I needed to find a log file and determine which calendar item was causing the problem. I deleted the item and tried again. Eventually I was able to get it synced. The second problem was with contacts. No explanation. Just a sync error. She had added three contacts on the phone and for some reason, Intellisync choked on the changes.
So far, I'm not impressed with the software that comes with the Curve.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
Also Windows Mobile only gets an update every 6 months to a year. For the most part whatever bugs you have you are stuck with.
The iPhone received 8 updates over the course of a year.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
WinMo is just not a stable platform. After a decade on the market, it should be almost bullet proof. The iPhone OS has been available for less than 2 years and open to third parties for a few months. I have yet to have the OS crash on me. Safari has once and maybe one third party app has. Often might be subjective, but it is still applicable.
Not surprisingly, it looks like Nokia is teaming up with Mozilla to bring FF to the mobile platform. The article does state some things that I would say are false or at least heavily slanted. I think Nokia is staying away from Webkit, not because of Apple's support of the open source browser engine that is already better suited for a mobile platform than Firefox, but because of direct competition with the iPhone. I am glad to see another company taking mobile browsing more seriously but I'm not sure this the best short- or longterm move.
' Although the Qt toolkit already includes Apple's powerful WebKit HTML rendering engine, Nokia still sees a lot of value in supporting Firefox. During the recent Akademy conference, Nokia developer Oleg Romaxa told KDE's Dot news site that Firefox offers a better browsing experience and that Nokia might have some competitive concerns about Apple's control over WebKit.
"Nokia will use the best browser for the job," he said. "Currently, we cannot make a full-featured and integrated browser with WebKit in mobile. But with Mozilla, we do not need to do anything, we can take existing models and API's which are available. Also, NPAPI support is already in the Gecko web rendering engine. They are also concerned that WebKit is, to some extent, controlled by Apple, who are in competition to Nokia with their iPhone." '
Sorry for the slow turn back. I know the topic's at least dormant with 2.0.2 out but it'll be interesting to see what's addressed.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core
"90% of all the people that have the phone probably don't even know they can install applications (or they simply didn't buy the phone for that purpose)."
60 million downloads as of two weeks ago suggests otherwise.
Very good point I overlooked, even if I personally account for 58.5 million of those downloads...
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Originally Posted by Abster2core
...what irks me most is that I find the majority of dissenters are just trolling, never had an iPhone, used MobileMe, and will dis Apple at the drop of a hat.
With you there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abster2core
"Throwing more kindling (features) on the fire is not the best idea and based on Jobs' MobileMe internal memo and this feature delay, it sounds as if this is exactly the approach Apple has had the foresight to take."
Can't totally agree. Seems that most of those that display patience, read the directions and not be guided by conspiracy theorists, are very happy. Sales, market penetration, customer satisfaction and the voices of true pundits/experts only support it.
Don't know if it completely answers this discussion, but it does seem telling that we have a 2.0.2 release and another 60 days of MobileMe for free.
I'll plan to test this release to see if we're no longer able to blow up the phone without trying too hard. My bet is the catastrophic app install/update issue's been fixed.
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My other phone (oh what a world when you need two mobiles) has many of the same issues as people report with the iphone 3G. Namely its web-browser (which is ironically webkit based) crashes a lot (mainly when browsing big pages or those with any level of interaction), it's mail app locks up from times to time, and third party apps are of variable quality. Oh and it can't do copy or paste either.
Perhaps there are some bugs in the initial release. To be honest I haven't been bothered by them. My 3G reception is good (even when it is 1-2 bars at home I can still make and receive calls with good clarity), safari does crash on the odd occasion but not enough to bother me, and can't say mail has crashed on me. A couple of the third party apps have crashed to, but most of the ones I use are pretty solid. But what i do know most of all is that Apple are working on fixing things and making things even better.
I must say the BS in this thread in support of Apple is just a little to much for this user to take. ... It is espcially bad that key apps have serious stability issues. For example:
Mail
Mail has crashed for me more than just about any app on iPhone. Sometimes right at start up. Mind you these are spimple text based mails causing this problem. Sadly E-Mail is a big reason for having a smart phone in the first place.
Safari
Safari does crash from time to time but probably isn't as bad as browsers on other phones. That of course is not saying much. If nothing else they need to fix text handeling. I'm more concerned about the lack of features, iPhone Safari still leaves a lot to be desired relative to a desk top browser.
Calendar
Let's face it calendar is really nice until you try to sync it. Then it becomes a piece of crap. Very disappointed as this is the #2 reason to have a smart phone on you. If iPhone Cal can't mirror the structures I'm using on my Mac then what the hell good is it? It is not that difficult either with one group of four calendars. Worst yet is there is apparently no simple way to get iPhone Cal to resync with your master schedule. Frankly I can't believe that keeping the two devices in sync should be that hard.
Contacts
Contacts works but like calendar seems to have sync issues. Yes it is Sloooooow too. Data entry on the iPhone sucks two, l need to be able to enter in all the data that I can on the desktop. By the way the only reason to have a contacts app is to provide a desktop equal.
Dave
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
Yep, Blackberry it is because "It just works!".
I'd love to have an iPhone but I can wait till all the bleeding-on-the-edge stops and stability kicks-in. I suppose that is why Apple is working to release Snow Leopard as a stability, security, and app footprint shrinkage release. Snow Leopard will also be the basis for the iPhone OS.
Either that or Apple's developer team is split between the two camps and they can't afford the resources to release a feature-rich 10.6 in the time frame they like.
Leopard will also be the basis for the iPhone OS.
Either that or Apple's developer team is split between the two camps and they can't afford the resources to release a feature-rich 10.6 in the time frame they like.
Don't be fooled, SL is full of new stuff. It's possible for it to be even more buggier than Leopard was as there are major changes to the foundation in cutting edge ways that have yet to be worked out.
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
I would definitely get the iPhone, it's an amazing device. The issues are very minor in comparison to any smart phones out there including my faivorite Blackberry. If you start facing any problems on the iPhone all you need to do is restart and the thing will start working perfectly again. After I upgraded to v.2.0.1 I had no issues whatsoever.
When we complain about the iPhone, it's because we are spoilt and impatient. Whether it's Apple or any other phone manufacturer in the world, they will never be able to fulfill our demands... EVER, because our demands are ridiculous, from a time-frame perspective. We want a brand new device to work flawlessly with all the features on all phones and navigation devices that were ever made, even if those features did not work well on those devices we want them and we want them to work better and work flawlessly NOW!
I've been using the iPhone since it's launch in 2007 and I've never looked back, it kicks EVERY smart phone's ass in many many ways, Trios, Blackberries, MS Mobile, and all. This thing is waaaaay better.
So yes,
- Copy Paste
- Video camera
- Voice Navigation System
- Voice Dialing
- Voice Recording
- Spotlight Searching
- Adobe Flash
- More SDK
- More Languages
- Bluetooth headphones
- Taser Gun
- Leg shaver
will eventually arrive and in due time.
Whew! I feel better now...
3) One-thousand one, one-thousand-two. 2 to 7 seconds is unreasonable for such a small device? Have you tried the apps on other higher function phones? The one thing about the iPhone OS is that it is very responsive. But there are some issues with the OS that need work, especially with Safari and typing in web forms.
I think 2-7 seconds is pretty laggy, if the hardware is as fast as it's reputed to be, it doesn't seem right that it's that slow. I have a five year old Palm-based device that's not a phone, but everything on it is definitely snappier than iPhone, and it doesn't rely on flashy transitions to distract the user from the delays.
I think 2-7 seconds is pretty laggy, if the hardware is as fast as it's reputed to be, it doesn't seem right that it's that slow. I have a five year old Palm-based device that's not a phone, but everything on it is definitely snappier than iPhone, and it doesn't rely on flashy transitions to distract the user from the delays.
Are we really having an issue with 2 seconds? Safari and Mail load much faster on my iPhone than on my 7month old black MB with 4GB RAM and nothing else running. Simpler apps will load faster than complex ones so I'm surprised by this.
Are we really having an issue with 2 seconds? Safari and Mail load much faster on my iPhone than on my 7month old black MB with 4GB RAM and nothing else running. Simpler apps will load faster than complex ones so I'm surprised by this.
That other person was saying 2-7 seconds and you are ignoring the upper limit and exhorting us to lower our standards.
Not only that, it's seemingly 1-2 seconds for every action, and that part is a bit of an irritating regression from an older device, which does compare better side-by-side in terms of snappiness, not so good when there is a five year difference in technology in the mix.
I really don't use Mail on either platform. But once launched, an email program on a computer can just stay running and swapped to and away in an instant. Not so on the iPhone.
That other person was saying 2-7 seconds and you are ignoring the upper limit and exhorting us to lower our standards.
Not only that, it's seemingly two seconds for every action, and that part is a bit of an irritating regression from an older device, which does compare better side-by-side in terms of snappiness, not so good when there is a five year difference in technology in the mix.
I really don't use Mail on either platform. But once launched, an email program on a computer can just stay running and swapped to and away in an instant. Not so on the iPhone.
Of course I picked 2 seconds as it was stated to be a too slow. I think this is ridiculous. My apps load the same as the commercials show, webpages themselves not withstanding). My iPhone certainly feels snappier than any other smartphone I've used but I didn't do any direct comparative testing so I don't know for sure, but it sure seems that way.
The iPhone interface remains the best combination of simplicity, functionality and speed I have seen in any smartphone. Animations are smooth and fast, and the interface is just plain responsive. Since the physical interface is done mostly via the touchscreen, Apple needed something that responded very naturally, and honestly it’s nearly perfect.
Like the rest of the features, the iPhone’s mail client is very fast and makes checking/responding to emails ridiculously easy - even easier than on my old Blackberry. The interface’s simplicity and quickness are key here.
• http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3358
I concur with those statements.
Not taking a service that isn't ready or that is buggy out would have been the better solution? If the feature needs further development then why would developers want to mess with it at this point? Out sequence. First things first.
Our project relies on push notification 100%. It's better to have SOME support than no support.
I must say the BS in this thread in support of Apple is just a little to much for this user to take. Also I'm very happy to see that Apple has wise up with respect to 2.1, they need to spend a lot of time getting the bugs out of the OS and apps first.
Bugs are where most of the complaints about 3G lay and as a new user I fan say with some authority are highly justified. It is espcially bad that key apps have serious stability issues. For example:
Mail
Mail has crashed for me more than just about any app on iPhone. Sometimes right at start up. Mind you these are spimple text based mails causing this problem. Sadly E-Mail is a big reason for having a smart phone in the first place.
Safari
Safari does crash from time to time but probably isn't as bad as browsers on other phones. That of course is not saying much. If nothing else they need to fix text handeling. I'm more concerned about the lack of features, iPhone Safari still leaves a lot to be desired relative to a desk top browser.
Calendar
Let's face it calendar is really nice until you try to sync it. Then it becomes a piece of crap. Very disappointed as this is the #2 reason to have a smart phone on you. If iPhone Cal can't mirror the structures I'm using on my Mac then what the hell good is it? It is not that difficult either with one group of four calendars. Worst yet is there is apparently no simple way to get iPhone Cal to resync with your master schedule. Frankly I can't believe that keeping the two devices in sync should be that hard.
Contacts
Contacts works but like calendar seems to have sync issues. Yes it is Sloooooow too. Data entry on the iPhone sucks two, l need to be able to enter in all the data that I can on the desktop. By the way the only reason to have a contacts app is to provide a desktop equal.
Well in any event a couple of issues off the top. The 3G experience is worst than I expected but frankly a very usable device. The only thing that would change my mind is if Apple abandoned development on the unit. In a nut schell the whole reason I went with an iPhone is Apples track record on version 1. They eventually got things humming along nicely there. The problem with 3G is that they have regressed far more thanexpected and have a lot of catching up to do. So in a nut shell they better drop all those new features and finish off what they currently have.
I do mean finish off as one only has to work with they SDK a little bit to realize that there are far to many bugs in the device. I'm note sure what the issues are that lead to the current mess but the need to get things cleared up before the competition responds.
Dave
Holy Crap,
Looks like you have no luck mate. I use my 3G iPhone every day.
Mail - Never crashed once, push mail from mobile me works fine (I have multiple accounts which forward all mail to my .Mac email account and I receive 600+ emails per day in various formats, Plain, RTF, HTML.)
Calendars - Sync through mobile me fine, I have 4 calendars set to sync from my iMac. Its a shame that they dont enable invitations yet but I am sure it will come. (again, never had a crash)
Safari - Its safari, occasional crashes. (seems to be if I try to navigate a large page before it has finished loading)
Contacts - No issues since 2.0.1 (before that they were slow to load)
Bugs - Had some issues with apps not loading. Now I install ALL apps via iTunes. No problems anymore.
Have you run the Pwnage software??
I did play around with the Jailbreak app at one point and it turned my Iphone into an incredibly buggy piece of crap, everything was slow and all aps kept crapping out on me. Did a restore and all was well.
This was the same when I jailbeaked and unlocked my non 3G iPhone 2.0 and it also ran like crap. Upgraded to 2.0.1 (it stayed unlocked) and works like a dream.
One of our customers has deployed 50 iPhone 3G's and we issued them with a list of do's and don'ts and also a troubleshooting guide and we have only had two issues so far with them after a month of use and these were 100% hardware failures (one wouldn't charge and one had a broken screen - user sat on it lol)
All handsets are now on 2.0.1 and on O2 in the UK
Just for context what other phone with a desktop kernal based OS and desktop API's, render full HTML, wirelessly sync with a cloud service and PC - launch from version .0 with every function working perfectly with no bug fixes?
To put it even more simply. What smartphone mobile phone OS launched from version .0 with every function working perfectly and required no bug fixes?
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
1) It's v2.0.1. The iPhone v2.0 was only released 37 days ago with the first bug -focused update coming only 23 days later. It didn't solve all the issues (not that any bug update could solve every issue) but it did fix a lot of the lag I was having. Version 2.1 is only for developers (and ones that signed up prior to July 11th, at that) so it isn't fair to say it's v2.1 at this point.
Take a look (link below) at what they added between v1.1.4 and v2.0; of course there would be some hiccups but at least they are taking care of them quickly. The rumour is that v2.1 will be golden master sometime in September. That will the 3rd v2.x release within about a 2 month period and it may be sooner as they already on the 3rd Beta. 2) Changing 'often' for 'left and right' is just as subjective. So instead of subjective term I'll offer up a subjective experience: Since installing v2.0.1 it has been more stable than my memory of using a WinMo v6.0 handset. Though OS X iPhone v1.1.4 did feel snappier and Safari was surely more stable than in version v2.0.1 despite the browser engine being faster. The issue I have with Safari is whe typing comments in a web form and the virtual keyboard slows down considerably and will sometimes crash, but it's less often now. I've had no issues with apps crashing or items not syncing correctly (though I don't a calendar).
Holy Crap,
Looks like you have no luck mate. I use my 3G iPhone every day.
Mail - Never crashed once, push mail from mobile me works fine (I have multiple accounts which forward all mail to my .Mac email account and I receive 600+ emails per day in various formats, Plain, RTF, HTML.)
Calendars - Sync through mobile me fine, I have 4 calendars set to sync from my iMac. Its a shame that they dont enable invitations yet but I am sure it will come. (again, never had a crash)
Safari - Its safari, occasional crashes. (seems to be if I try to navigate a large page before it has finished loading)
Contacts - No issues since 2.0.1 (before that they were slow to load)
Bugs - Had some issues with apps not loading. Now I install ALL apps via iTunes. No problems anymore.
Have you run the Pwnage software??
I did play around with the Jailbreak app at one point and it turned my Iphone into an incredibly buggy piece of crap, everything was slow and all aps kept crapping out on me. Did a restore and all was well.
This was the same when I jailbeaked and unlocked my non 3G iPhone 2.0 and it also ran like crap. Upgraded to 2.0.1 (it stayed unlocked) and works like a dream.
One of our customers has deployed 50 iPhone 3G's and we issued them with a list of do's and don'ts and also a troubleshooting guide and we have only had two issues so far with them after a month of use and these were 100% hardware failures (one wouldn't charge and one had a broken screen - user sat on it lol)
All handsets are now on 2.0.1 and on O2 in the UK
My experiences are just like yours. I've had very, very, very few issues. No issues with the included apps. No issues with speed.
I wonder how many of the people that are reporting issues are jail breaking their phone and then blaming Apple....
I guess I will stick with my Crackberry Curve for a while longer then...: Over the last year of use: Mail (multiple accounts), Calendar, Contacts never crashed and always synced perfectly. Browsing the internet on a Blackberry Curve is definitely not exciting but the browser never crashes.
My wife has a Blackberry Curve. I've found that syncing on that with Windows is a pain. She has already had two situations where syncing failed with an ridiculous error message (something like "Error Number 4107"). No explanation. The first problem occurred while syncing the first time. I needed to find a log file and determine which calendar item was causing the problem. I deleted the item and tried again. Eventually I was able to get it synced. The second problem was with contacts. No explanation. Just a sync error. She had added three contacts on the phone and for some reason, Intellisync choked on the changes.
So far, I'm not impressed with the software that comes with the Curve.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
Also Windows Mobile only gets an update every 6 months to a year. For the most part whatever bugs you have you are stuck with.
The iPhone received 8 updates over the course of a year.
Everyone was claiming the downside to the Microsoft Mobile OS was because it crashed often. Often is subjective, but one could argue if it crashes more than once a week thats a lot. Now that Apple's OS and apps are crashing left and right, now you start saying "well look at the competition, theirs does the same thing". What a crock of bull shit.... And for the record, this isn't version .0, this is 2.1 at this point.
WinMo is just not a stable platform. After a decade on the market, it should be almost bullet proof. The iPhone OS has been available for less than 2 years and open to third parties for a few months. I have yet to have the OS crash on me. Safari has once and maybe one third party app has. Often might be subjective, but it is still applicable.
"90% of all the people that have the phone probably don't even know they can install applications (or they simply didn't buy the phone for that purpose)."
60 million downloads as of two weeks ago suggests otherwise.
Very good point I overlooked, even if I personally account for 58.5 million of those downloads...
...what irks me most is that I find the majority of dissenters are just trolling, never had an iPhone, used MobileMe, and will dis Apple at the drop of a hat.
With you there.
"Throwing more kindling (features) on the fire is not the best idea and based on Jobs' MobileMe internal memo and this feature delay, it sounds as if this is exactly the approach Apple has had the foresight to take."
Can't totally agree. Seems that most of those that display patience, read the directions and not be guided by conspiracy theorists, are very happy. Sales, market penetration, customer satisfaction and the voices of true pundits/experts only support it.
Don't know if it completely answers this discussion, but it does seem telling that we have a 2.0.2 release and another 60 days of MobileMe for free.
I'll plan to test this release to see if we're no longer able to blow up the phone without trying too hard. My bet is the catastrophic app install/update issue's been fixed.