Pretty lame Woz, why on earth would I give up my iPods that store thousands of albums very conveniently for me to listen to wherever I am without scratching 1 CD or album????
Cause you say it's over? I remember Woz saying that the iPod did not have a future when it first came out. Woz just either doesn't have a big music collection, doesn't get the iPod or is so blahh that he doesn't need music in his life - There's a reason Steve Jobs wouldn't write the foreword to his book .....He's just a dork.
"The iPod has sort of lived a long life at number one. Things like, that if you look back to transistor radios and Walkmans, they kind of die out after a while. It's kind of like everyone has got one or two or three. You get to a point when they are on display everywhere, they get real cheap and they are not selling as much."
Best,
K
So?
I don't think you've refuted anything I said.
The article title infers something from those quotes that wasn't actually said IMO. Call it picky if you want, but the article clearly says that Woz stated that "the iPod has run it's course." The quotes only indicate that he said it would run it's course or perhaps is about to.
This is not the same thing. The article turns what he said into a definitive pronouncement when it was not.
Anyway as others have said Woz doesn't always know what he is talking about so it's probably a moot point.
Market saturation has done nothing to stop the iPod, since Apple continues to sell MILLIONS each year. Woz should continue to stick with naming kids...since he seems to have a knack for it!
Pretty lame Woz, why on earth would I give up my iPods that store thousands of albums very conveniently for me to listen to wherever I am without scratching 1 CD or album????
When did he say you would? He said that the iPods life has reached saturation, there are other digital music players around. I think I agree with him to, most people that want portable music bought an iPod plus a lot of people that don't really use it since they got it. The new iPods look like the old ones so why would most people buy a new one? Hence saturation point same as what happened to the walkman a few years after it came out.
The other stuff he said I also agree with. Of couse Steve Jobs doesn't know what the next big thing will be until it comes along. Mobile Me isn't really anything new and practically everything in Leopard had been around in some form of another before. Then there's cover flow that they heavily advertised for the iPod but it was bought off another company. There's nothing wrong with Apple doing this but it does prove Woz correct.
As for what he said about Web 2.0 I think I've been saying that since people were getting excited about it. Even google are having trouble making money from You Tube.
Pretty lame Woz, why on earth would I give up my iPods that store thousands of albums very conveniently for me to listen to wherever I am without scratching 1 CD or album????
Cause you say it's over? I remember Woz saying that the iPod did not have a future when it first came out. Woz just either doesn't have a big music collection, doesn't get the iPod or is so blahh that he doesn't need music in his life - There's a reason Steve Jobs wouldn't write the foreword to his book .....He's just a dork.
I think you've misunderstood his point, but his point isn't as clear as it should have been. I don't think he really meant that the product will go away, just that there will be a peak or plateu. For one, just about any handheld or otherwise portable device can play music files these days. Another, I don't think most people's media collections double every year, and once the player exceeds the size of the collection by a margin, the player really doesn't need to be upgraded or replaced nearly as much. If you already have three players, do you really need to buy a fourth? That's the point. He's not talking about people not using the devices anymore.
I think it's kind of like the "Walkman" brand - it's not gone, but it's not a market force like it used to be decades ago. The same can be said of nearly every major brand.
On the book, the thing that I remember was that Jobs initially agreed to do a forward, but backed out after having read the whole book.
Regarding this whole thread, I don't remember seeing nearly so much hostility towards Wozniak, it's pretty surprising to me.
The article title infers something from those quotes that wasn't actually said IMO. Call it picky if you want, but the article clearly says that Woz stated that "the iPod has run it's course." The quotes only indicate that he said it would run it's course or perhaps is about to.
This is not the same thing. The article turns what he said into a definitive pronouncement when it was not.
Anyway as others have said Woz doesn't always know what he is talking about so it's probably a moot point.
The title has always said "about run its course."
You insulted my editor's credentials and suggested he made a poor interpretation of Woz's quotes, which "is why journalists go to school and bloggers are not journalists."
Here is a link to an article the Washington Post just syndicated:
Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak: iPod Is Dying And The iPhone Is Too Closed
I don't think anyone is inferring incorrectly. I responded because your comment opened the door for some clown to make a baseless post (since deleted) suggesting we completely fabricate news on a daily basis.
...Regarding this whole thread, I don't remember seeing nearly so much hostility towards Wozniak, it's pretty surprising to me.
I'm not surprised. It's not like Ballmer is saying these things, it's a guy who helped start Apple. It hurts the Mac Faithful. They smell a traitor, because you only hear the bad things Woz says. And it seems more frequent of late...
quote from Dances with Wolves: But the soldiers hate me now, like they hate no other.
...Alright, he made the original Mac, but so what does that change? Of course now that he works at Google, he's going to pitch the Android as the most innovative and open and free platform in the universe. But seriously, he's totally not relevant these days. Jobs on the other hand is extremely relevant.
No, he did not make the first Mac; he single handedly designed the Apple I, Apple II and IIgs...the Mac is an entirely different animal which Woz only had minimal influence on.
The guy was obviously a technology genius years ago, but he comes off as way out of touch. He seems like more of an eccentric crank who doesn't really get what people want out of their technology.
The Nova never had >70% market share and patented technology significantly more advanced than its competitors.
Palm is dying.
Symbian is dying.
Windows Mobile is going nowhere quickly.
Linux is going nowhere slowly.
And so, what's your point?
Palm *had* more than 70% of the market. Actually, once upon a time, there was no PDA but the Palm. This didn't prevent Palm from dying from lack of innovation and being stuck in its niche concept. I don't see how the iPod is any different in the long term?
As for car, that's also a bad example. There used to be a time when the automobile giants in the USA were really that, giants. Nowadays, they're just leftovers from the past century. And the car concept is dying slowly itself. As more and more people live in cities, where cars are just useless, and as they become more and more expansive to maintain and park, they will slowly fade into oblivion. Just as the horse-drawn carriage or the steam engine.
This is the very nature of technology to become obsolete. And it goes much farther than a concept merely evolving through the ages. For instance, even if we still call it "computer", there is so little in common between the ENIAC and a laptop that it isn't even the same concept. Same with the "phone" - nowadays, phones are barely used to phone other people.
If in 50 years we are still surfing the web, no matter on what "cool" device, if we are still listening to music on a zPod or whatever and if we're still talking about computers and mobile phone, no matter how evolved, it will be a sad day for humanity. Because it will mean we have gotten stuck into the tools and evolving them rather than coming up with new concepts.
So, it is without doubt that the iPod line will become obsolete - pretty soon actually, to be replaced by the iPhone and the Touch. Because the concept of carrying music around on a limited capacity device is becoming obsolete. Why limit yourself to a tiny 120Gb when there is Tb of content to experiment?
But in the long run, even the iPhone will fade away, as a concept. Even if it manages to grab 100% market shares - it will only go faster then.
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Cause you say it's over? I remember Woz saying that the iPod did not have a future when it first came out. Woz just either doesn't have a big music collection, doesn't get the iPod or is so blahh that he doesn't need music in his life - There's a reason Steve Jobs wouldn't write the foreword to his book .....He's just a dork.
Are we sure it wasn't Ballmer in his Halloween costume?
Naw, Ballmer is taller, and moves around a lot more.
Naw, Ballmer is taller, and moves around a lot more.
Notice no mention re the weight!
Virgil,
These are the direct quotes from Woz:
"The iPod has sort of lived a long life at number one. Things like, that if you look back to transistor radios and Walkmans, they kind of die out after a while. It's kind of like everyone has got one or two or three. You get to a point when they are on display everywhere, they get real cheap and they are not selling as much."
Best,
K
So?
I don't think you've refuted anything I said.
The article title infers something from those quotes that wasn't actually said IMO. Call it picky if you want, but the article clearly says that Woz stated that "the iPod has run it's course." The quotes only indicate that he said it would run it's course or perhaps is about to.
This is not the same thing. The article turns what he said into a definitive pronouncement when it was not.
Anyway as others have said Woz doesn't always know what he is talking about so it's probably a moot point.
Notice no mention re the weight!
My guess was about the same...
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just saying who gives a shit. He bailed years ago time to move on. I'm sick of this guy.
Kathy Griffin gives a shit!
Anyway as others have said Woz doesn't always know what he is talking about so it's probably a moot point.
There has to be some Freud in that some where.
careful; bit of a false analogy there.
Yes cars are still around. But are Novas still around? (i'm not much of a car guy, i'm sure there are better examples).
The Nova never had >70% market share and patented technology significantly more advanced than its competitors.
Palm is dying.
Symbian is dying.
Windows Mobile is going nowhere quickly.
Linux is going nowhere slowly.
Pretty lame Woz, why on earth would I give up my iPods that store thousands of albums very conveniently for me to listen to wherever I am without scratching 1 CD or album????
When did he say you would? He said that the iPods life has reached saturation, there are other digital music players around. I think I agree with him to, most people that want portable music bought an iPod plus a lot of people that don't really use it since they got it. The new iPods look like the old ones so why would most people buy a new one? Hence saturation point same as what happened to the walkman a few years after it came out.
The other stuff he said I also agree with. Of couse Steve Jobs doesn't know what the next big thing will be until it comes along. Mobile Me isn't really anything new and practically everything in Leopard had been around in some form of another before. Then there's cover flow that they heavily advertised for the iPod but it was bought off another company. There's nothing wrong with Apple doing this but it does prove Woz correct.
As for what he said about Web 2.0 I think I've been saying that since people were getting excited about it. Even google are having trouble making money from You Tube.
Pretty lame Woz, why on earth would I give up my iPods that store thousands of albums very conveniently for me to listen to wherever I am without scratching 1 CD or album????
Cause you say it's over? I remember Woz saying that the iPod did not have a future when it first came out. Woz just either doesn't have a big music collection, doesn't get the iPod or is so blahh that he doesn't need music in his life - There's a reason Steve Jobs wouldn't write the foreword to his book .....He's just a dork.
I think you've misunderstood his point, but his point isn't as clear as it should have been. I don't think he really meant that the product will go away, just that there will be a peak or plateu. For one, just about any handheld or otherwise portable device can play music files these days. Another, I don't think most people's media collections double every year, and once the player exceeds the size of the collection by a margin, the player really doesn't need to be upgraded or replaced nearly as much. If you already have three players, do you really need to buy a fourth? That's the point. He's not talking about people not using the devices anymore.
I think it's kind of like the "Walkman" brand - it's not gone, but it's not a market force like it used to be decades ago. The same can be said of nearly every major brand.
On the book, the thing that I remember was that Jobs initially agreed to do a forward, but backed out after having read the whole book.
Regarding this whole thread, I don't remember seeing nearly so much hostility towards Wozniak, it's pretty surprising to me.
So?
I don't think you've refuted anything I said.
The article title infers something from those quotes that wasn't actually said IMO. Call it picky if you want, but the article clearly says that Woz stated that "the iPod has run it's course." The quotes only indicate that he said it would run it's course or perhaps is about to.
This is not the same thing. The article turns what he said into a definitive pronouncement when it was not.
Anyway as others have said Woz doesn't always know what he is talking about so it's probably a moot point.
The title has always said "about run its course."
You insulted my editor's credentials and suggested he made a poor interpretation of Woz's quotes, which "is why journalists go to school and bloggers are not journalists."
Here is a link to an article the Washington Post just syndicated:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100701734.html
Here is the title:
Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak: iPod Is Dying And The iPhone Is Too Closed
I don't think anyone is inferring incorrectly. I responded because your comment opened the door for some clown to make a baseless post (since deleted) suggesting we completely fabricate news on a daily basis.
Best,
K
I think it's kind of like the "Walkman" brand - it's not gone, but it's not a market force like it used to be decades ago.
This brings up a good point.
Sony has begun putting its "WALKMAN" brand on cellphones.
The problem is... too little, too late.
Had Sony been innovative and started doing this in 2001 or 2002, they might not have lost the market they once dominated.
This is the difference with Apple.
Rather than wait for someone else to out innovate them, they are reinventing their products and staying years ahead of the competition.
...Regarding this whole thread, I don't remember seeing nearly so much hostility towards Wozniak, it's pretty surprising to me.
I'm not surprised. It's not like Ballmer is saying these things, it's a guy who helped start Apple. It hurts the Mac Faithful. They smell a traitor, because you only hear the bad things Woz says. And it seems more frequent of late...
quote from Dances with Wolves: But the soldiers hate me now, like they hate no other.
Alright, a bitter Woz.
...Alright, he made the original Mac, but so what does that change? Of course now that he works at Google, he's going to pitch the Android as the most innovative and open and free platform in the universe. But seriously, he's totally not relevant these days. Jobs on the other hand is extremely relevant.
No, he did not make the first Mac; he single handedly designed the Apple I, Apple II and IIgs...the Mac is an entirely different animal which Woz only had minimal influence on.
The guy was obviously a technology genius years ago, but he comes off as way out of touch. He seems like more of an eccentric crank who doesn't really get what people want out of their technology.
The Nova never had >70% market share and patented technology significantly more advanced than its competitors.
Palm is dying.
Symbian is dying.
Windows Mobile is going nowhere quickly.
Linux is going nowhere slowly.
And so, what's your point?
Palm *had* more than 70% of the market. Actually, once upon a time, there was no PDA but the Palm. This didn't prevent Palm from dying from lack of innovation and being stuck in its niche concept. I don't see how the iPod is any different in the long term?
As for car, that's also a bad example. There used to be a time when the automobile giants in the USA were really that, giants. Nowadays, they're just leftovers from the past century. And the car concept is dying slowly itself. As more and more people live in cities, where cars are just useless, and as they become more and more expansive to maintain and park, they will slowly fade into oblivion. Just as the horse-drawn carriage or the steam engine.
This is the very nature of technology to become obsolete. And it goes much farther than a concept merely evolving through the ages. For instance, even if we still call it "computer", there is so little in common between the ENIAC and a laptop that it isn't even the same concept. Same with the "phone" - nowadays, phones are barely used to phone other people.
If in 50 years we are still surfing the web, no matter on what "cool" device, if we are still listening to music on a zPod or whatever and if we're still talking about computers and mobile phone, no matter how evolved, it will be a sad day for humanity. Because it will mean we have gotten stuck into the tools and evolving them rather than coming up with new concepts.
So, it is without doubt that the iPod line will become obsolete - pretty soon actually, to be replaced by the iPhone and the Touch. Because the concept of carrying music around on a limited capacity device is becoming obsolete. Why limit yourself to a tiny 120Gb when there is Tb of content to experiment?
But in the long run, even the iPhone will fade away, as a concept. Even if it manages to grab 100% market shares - it will only go faster then.