You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
MacBook:
P7350 2.00GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $1XX
P8400 2.26GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $209
P8600 2.40GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $241
MacBook Pro:
T9400 2.53GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $316
P9500 2.53GHz 6MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $348
T9600 2.80GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $530
you really think they will put in chips with 1066FSB?? i think thats a bit much for apple.. i bet they use 800 FSB chips with 2.8 GHz tho.. like the x9000 c2xtreme.. dont get me wrong.. i hope they use 1066 chips but who knows..
What about GPU's? i would love to see the 9800 or at least a high 9 series card in the macbook pro.... That would make the macbook pro worth it to me.. but i guess i just set the bar to high.
You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
I was about to say, different frontside bus, different multiplier, different speeds.
Current Macbook: 2.1GHz, 2.4GHz. What I think the new Macbook will use: 2.26GHz, 2.53GHz.
Current Macbook Pro: 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz, 2.6GHz. My guess for the new Pro: 2.53GHz, 2.8GHz.
There's a 3.06GHz, too, but I don't know if Apple will stick that in a notebook. There are also two mobile quad cores: 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
quad core on the super high priced model is what im looking forward too :]... as if i could afford it tho.. What about blu ray? do u think they will have it? or is blu ray even compatable with mac? i dont even kno im not a huge mac buff.... yet..
I was about to say, different frontside bus, different multiplier, different speeds.
Current Macbook: 2.1GHz, 2.4GHz. What I think the new Macbook will use: 2.26GHz, 2.53GHz.
Current Macbook Pro: 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz, 2.6GHz. My guess for the new Pro: 2.53GHz, 2.8GHz.
There's a 3.06GHz, too, but I don't know if Apple will stick that in a notebook. There are also two mobile quad cores: 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
All the extreme/quad-core cpus have a TDP of about 45W, Apple has stayed away from those kind of cpus even in the 17" MBP, I don't think they will use any of those in the next round. I hope they find a way to put them in the iMac (at a reasonable price) tho.
I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps. If the MacBook really gets a price cut, it is possible that it tops at 2.40GHz (which isn't bad at all). It is also possible that Apple will get some custom cpus from Intel (like a 2.13GHz and/or 2.66GHz models).
I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
...I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps. If the MacBook really gets a price cut, it is possible that it tops at 2.40GHz (which isn't bad at all). It is also possible that Apple will get some custom cpus from Intel (like a 2.13GHz and/or 2.66GHz models).
I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
The PM/GM/GS45 chipsets can handle 8GB RAM.
I'd say if you have the budget the MacBook Pros usually have a overall, architecturally strong, fast performance. I always feel a little bit more of "teh snappy" when I use a MacBook Pro. Tough choice, ya. Good luck!
I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps.
If they're both aluminum, I think there may no longer be a line to blur.
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I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
The PM/GM/GS45 chipsets can handle 8GB RAM.
No Blu-Ray or quad core notebooks, although I think both will appear in the iMac early next year. Also, the PM/GM965 chipset used by the current Macbook and MBP can handle 8GB of RAM perfectly well. Just because Apple doesn't support it, doesn't mean it won't work.
Also, the PM/GM965 chipset used by the current Macbook and MBP can handle 8GB of RAM perfectly well. Just because Apple doesn't support it, doesn't mean it won't work.
The key word there, again, is "support." It works just fine. Most likely, Intel didn't have any 4GB modules to test it with when that document was last revised in June 07.
The key word there, again, is "support." It works just fine. Most likely, Intel didn't have any 4GB modules to test it with when that document was last revised in June 07.
According to the few lines I read, tests are not that conclusive, the author states that his tests have failed:
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Although my tests failed, it's probably just a matter of the memory makers and Apple figuring out what is needs for things to be compatible with the current Macs.
Given the ridiculous price of those sticks ($450-600) per unit, I don't think I am willing to spend $1K for RAM that may or may not work.
I think I'm fine with the $90 I paid for 2x2GB RAM in my MB.
Been on the fence for a couple of months, waiting for this announcement. I'm hoping the new high-end Macbook (Pro) will get more power to to easily handle Avid Media Composer and/or Final Cut Studio, and also be more oriented to people creating visual media. Thing is, Apple really has to leap frog over the competition in terms of hardware specs and speed, which I'm pretty sure they will. But IBM has thrown down a pretty hefty gauntlet. So I hope Apple didn't forget the higher end market.
According to the few lines I read, tests are not that conclusive, the author states that his tests have failed:
Given the ridiculous price of those sticks ($450-600) per unit, I don't think I am willing to spend $1K for RAM that may or may not work.
I think I'm fine with the $90 I paid for 2x2GB RAM in my MB.
Interesting... Looks like going into the next 6 months for almost all laptops we've hit a ceiling of 4GB. The 2GB sticks have come down in price like a rock but manufacturers have not cracked the 4GB stick price barriers. I think this has to do, in a big way, with the prevalence of 32bit Windows around the world, on desktop and laptop machines. Meaning, very little incentive for mainstream computing to go beyond 4GB.
Assuming the NVIDIA story holds true (and I hear it will), here's what I'd tentatively expect for the updates:
MacBook: 2.26GHz
- 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo
- 2GB RAM
- GeForce 9300M integrated GPU
- 160GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $999
MacBook: 2.53GHz
- 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- GeForce 9300M integrated GPU
- 200GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $1199
MacBook Air: 1.73GHz
- 1.73GHz low-voltage Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- low-power GeForce 9-series integrated GPU
- 120GB hard drive
- $1699
MacBook Air: 2GHz
- 2GHz low-voltage Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- low-power GeForce 9-series integrated GPU
- 128GB solid-state drive
- $2599
15-inch MacBook Pro: 2.53GHz
- 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 256MB GeForce 9600M GT video
- 250GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $1899
15-inch MacBook Pro: 2.8GHz
- 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 512MB GeForce 9650M GT video
- 320GB hard drive
- Superdrive
-$2399
17-inch MacBook Pro
- 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 512MB GeForce 9650M GT video
- 500GB hard drive
- Superdrive
-$2699
Now I'm not including any higher-end configurations here (like a third MacBook or a second 17-inch MacBook Pro) just because it's going to be a big shift and it would really be unknown territory.
However, I suspect Apple may use this update to offer things they haven't in the past, such as more than 4GB of RAM (remember, some Dell notebooks support 5-8GB in two slots) or Blu-ray. If the latter comes it'll probably be limited to the MacBook Pros as part of Apple's usual attempt to upsell.
I hope your right with that higher end Macbook Air configuration. That pretty much hits the nail on the head with everything I would want from a Macbook Air. I don't use the disc drive on my dying 1G Macbook Pro anyways, it needs retiring, the hardware on it is going and is expensive to fix.
If that $2599 Macbook Air is 100% true, sign me up for the first one haha
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You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
MacBook:
P7350 2.00GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $1XX
P8400 2.26GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $209
P8600 2.40GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $241
MacBook Pro:
T9400 2.53GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $316
P9500 2.53GHz 6MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $348
T9600 2.80GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $530
You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
MacBook:
P7350 2.00GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $1XX
P8400 2.26GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $209
P8600 2.40GHz 3MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $241
MacBook Pro:
T9400 2.53GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $316
P9500 2.53GHz 6MB cache 25W 1066FSB 45nm $348
T9600 2.80GHz 6MB cache 35W 1066FSB 45nm $530
you really think they will put in chips with 1066FSB?? i think thats a bit much for apple.. i bet they use 800 FSB chips with 2.8 GHz tho.. like the x9000 c2xtreme.. dont get me wrong.. i hope they use 1066 chips but who knows..
What about GPU's? i would love to see the 9800 or at least a high 9 series card in the macbook pro.... That would make the macbook pro worth it to me..
You are confusing older cpu models with newer cpu models;
There is no such thing as a C2D 2.2GHz since the T7500 (Merom 65nm), and the previous generation Penryn 2.6GHz T9500 has a 800FSB. Both are still more expensive ($241/$530) than the newer 1066FSB penryns (for the montevina platform).
I was about to say, different frontside bus, different multiplier, different speeds.
Current Macbook: 2.1GHz, 2.4GHz. What I think the new Macbook will use: 2.26GHz, 2.53GHz.
Current Macbook Pro: 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz, 2.6GHz. My guess for the new Pro: 2.53GHz, 2.8GHz.
There's a 3.06GHz, too, but I don't know if Apple will stick that in a notebook. There are also two mobile quad cores: 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
I was about to say, different frontside bus, different multiplier, different speeds.
Current Macbook: 2.1GHz, 2.4GHz. What I think the new Macbook will use: 2.26GHz, 2.53GHz.
Current Macbook Pro: 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz, 2.6GHz. My guess for the new Pro: 2.53GHz, 2.8GHz.
There's a 3.06GHz, too, but I don't know if Apple will stick that in a notebook. There are also two mobile quad cores: 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
All the extreme/quad-core cpus have a TDP of about 45W, Apple has stayed away from those kind of cpus even in the 17" MBP, I don't think they will use any of those in the next round. I hope they find a way to put them in the iMac (at a reasonable price) tho.
I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps. If the MacBook really gets a price cut, it is possible that it tops at 2.40GHz (which isn't bad at all). It is also possible that Apple will get some custom cpus from Intel (like a 2.13GHz and/or 2.66GHz models).
I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
The PM/GM/GS45 chipsets can handle 8GB RAM.
...I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps. If the MacBook really gets a price cut, it is possible that it tops at 2.40GHz (which isn't bad at all). It is also possible that Apple will get some custom cpus from Intel (like a 2.13GHz and/or 2.66GHz models).
I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
The PM/GM/GS45 chipsets can handle 8GB RAM.
I'd say if you have the budget the MacBook Pros usually have a overall, architecturally strong, fast performance. I always feel a little bit more of "teh snappy" when I use a MacBook Pro. Tough choice, ya. Good luck!
I'm on the fence for the 2.53GHz version on the MacBook, maybe they will, maybe they won't, it blurs the lines between Pro and non-Pro, I don't think it helps.
If they're both aluminum, I think there may no longer be a line to blur.
I don't think we will see Bluray or quad-core notebooks from Apple this year.
The PM/GM/GS45 chipsets can handle 8GB RAM.
No Blu-Ray or quad core notebooks, although I think both will appear in the iMac early next year. Also, the PM/GM965 chipset used by the current Macbook and MBP can handle 8GB of RAM perfectly well. Just because Apple doesn't support it, doesn't mean it won't work.
Also, the PM/GM965 chipset used by the current Macbook and MBP can handle 8GB of RAM perfectly well. Just because Apple doesn't support it, doesn't mean it won't work.
Not according to Intel's datasheet for the 965 chipset: Maximum memory supported: 4GB.
Not according to Intel's datasheet for the 965 chipset: Maximum memory supported: 4GB.
The key word there, again, is "support." It works just fine. Most likely, Intel didn't have any 4GB modules to test it with when that document was last revised in June 07.
The key word there, again, is "support." It works just fine. Most likely, Intel didn't have any 4GB modules to test it with when that document was last revised in June 07.
According to the few lines I read, tests are not that conclusive, the author states that his tests have failed:
Although my tests failed, it's probably just a matter of the memory makers and Apple figuring out what is needs for things to be compatible with the current Macs.
Given the ridiculous price of those sticks ($450-600) per unit, I don't think I am willing to spend $1K for RAM that may or may not work.
I think I'm fine with the $90 I paid for 2x2GB RAM in my MB.
IBM's Lenovo Thinkpad W700.
According to the few lines I read, tests are not that conclusive, the author states that his tests have failed:
Given the ridiculous price of those sticks ($450-600) per unit, I don't think I am willing to spend $1K for RAM that may or may not work.
I think I'm fine with the $90 I paid for 2x2GB RAM in my MB.
Interesting... Looks like going into the next 6 months for almost all laptops we've hit a ceiling of 4GB. The 2GB sticks have come down in price like a rock but manufacturers have not cracked the 4GB stick price barriers. I think this has to do, in a big way, with the prevalence of 32bit Windows around the world, on desktop and laptop machines. Meaning, very little incentive for mainstream computing to go beyond 4GB.
MacBook: 2.26GHz
- 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo
- 2GB RAM
- GeForce 9300M integrated GPU
- 160GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $999
MacBook: 2.53GHz
- 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- GeForce 9300M integrated GPU
- 200GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $1199
MacBook Air: 1.73GHz
- 1.73GHz low-voltage Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- low-power GeForce 9-series integrated GPU
- 120GB hard drive
- $1699
MacBook Air: 2GHz
- 2GHz low-voltage Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- low-power GeForce 9-series integrated GPU
- 128GB solid-state drive
- $2599
15-inch MacBook Pro: 2.53GHz
- 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 256MB GeForce 9600M GT video
- 250GB hard drive
- Superdrive
- $1899
15-inch MacBook Pro: 2.8GHz
- 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 512MB GeForce 9650M GT video
- 320GB hard drive
- Superdrive
-$2399
17-inch MacBook Pro
- 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- 512MB GeForce 9650M GT video
- 500GB hard drive
- Superdrive
-$2699
Now I'm not including any higher-end configurations here (like a third MacBook or a second 17-inch MacBook Pro) just because it's going to be a big shift and it would really be unknown territory.
However, I suspect Apple may use this update to offer things they haven't in the past, such as more than 4GB of RAM (remember, some Dell notebooks support 5-8GB in two slots) or Blu-ray. If the latter comes it'll probably be limited to the MacBook Pros as part of Apple's usual attempt to upsell.
If that $2599 Macbook Air is 100% true, sign me up for the first one
There are also two mobile quad cores: 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
Likelyhood is zero for a nice quad MBP this rip ?
Likelyhood is zero for a nice quad MBP this rip ?
I don't know. Probably very low.
Likelyhood is zero for a nice quad MBP this rip ?
Zero.