You guys are too much dollar-centric. There exist other currencies, especially euro and yen. The dollar exchange rate is so low that it is impossible for Apple not to rise theirs prices. Converted into euros, a € 1000 MacBook (that translates to around $1200, since the commercial exchange rate is always at least 10% lower than the actual one) is quite affordable for us over here. Sorry, you're living on the wrong side of the pond (at least these days).
What is much worrisome is this Nvidia stuff. I planned to run a real opensource OS (NetBSD) in parallel with MacOS, but Nvidia has been known to keep secret all the docs related to its hardware, effectively impeding any opensource driver developement, even if the nouveau project is making great effort to reverse-engineer the code. Bummer. I hope it'll work, though.
That may be true in the EU but it's not true in GB. I've had a long discussion with a Brit about this and we found that our british counterparts make about half of what an American makes for the same job and currently the exchange rate is under 2:1 so a $1000 laptop is no more affordable than a 500 GBP laptop. Do you have any numbers for average pay to backup your claim?
Edit: Apple is dollar centric because they are a US based company and they make most of their profits from the US so of course it's going to be dollar centric...
Why so much glossy display moaning? Do you guys work in a greenhouse in the desert??
I'm sitting here in front of my glossy 24" iMac in a room with two windows. I've positioned my desk so that there is not a window right behind me and the display is beautiful. I'm extending my desktop with a NON-glossy Dell 19 inch monitor which looks cold and lifeless in comparison.
In fact because of this I am excited about this new 24" monitor. BUT, no display port on my iMac (I assume an adaptor will be available) and $899?? That's a weeee bit over the top for a consumer monitor ain't it?
The $200 price increase and removal of firewire on the Macbook could really backfire for Apple, as could the lower clockspeed CPU. For intents and purposes they have discontinued the Macbook for a 13" Macbook Pro.
But, you're right, it was « worse » this summer. Since then the dollar has recovered a bit.
Nevertheless, I expect a european pricing with figures divided by 1.2 or something.
The Asian supplies should be cheaper... but I'm pretty convincted that, as raw petrolium, chips produced in Asia are paid in dollars and not in local currencies, which would render their price insensitive to dollar health. Anyhow, as you say, we're about to know... As a famous quote of my preferred TV series goes: "Ten minutes and it's all gonna end at the OK corral".
I've been wanting to buy a mac for some time, as my current Toshiba laptop is very old. My friend told me to wait a while because they were bringing out these new ones, but reading all this stuff about them has really put me off. I don't want a glossy screen, and they seem like they will be too expensive anyway.
Does anyone know if they will sell off the old 15" MBPs with the matte screens cheaply (or cheaper, at least) after the new ones come out?
If these rumors are true then they are underwhelming and disappointing and Apple may just have opted out of the current tech mini-rally. And no matter how you frame it, you cannot explain away a 2.0GHz chip on a $1300 machine without sounding mealy-mouthed. If these rumors are true then it seems Jobs has forgotten the painful lesson of those insanely overpriced Macs that hobbled the platform's acceptance in the 80s.
I hope to god these laptops exceed expectations and Jobs looks healthy- otherwise expect a big drop. Then again a good time to buy.
What a disappointment ... that stupid Mighty Mouse concept of one huge trackpad button. What is Apple thinking?!?!?.
What a whiner. Have you actually used the new trackpad?? No? Then how can you be so sure it's crap. I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying you can't possibly be sure it is. It's "everything new/different is crap" people like you that stifle innovation.
Hehe. It's inevitable. The cycle of unbounded, irrational exuberance during the rumor period, peaks just hours before the announcement, then we have the unbounded, irrational disappointment after the announcement, and finally, endless threads about good and bad about the announcement. We've been through this for a decade and it never seems to get old.
This is just not fun anymore. Apple, can't you keep people silent until Jobs is on the stage?
/Adrian
Yeah... I love the speculation but this is just ruining the fun. I guess Apple must either step up its secrecy or let everyone know what they are doing. This is no fun.
Why so much glossy display moaning? Do you guys work in a greenhouse in the desert??
I'm sitting here in front of my glossy 24" iMac in a room with two windows. I've positioned my desk so that there is not a window right behind me and the display is beautiful. I'm extending my desktop with a NON-glossy Dell 19 inch monitor which looks cold and lifeless in comparison.
In fact because of this I am excited about this new 24" monitor. BUT, no display port on my iMac (I assume an adaptor will be available) and $899?? That's a weeee bit over the top for a consumer monitor ain't it?
Most apartments don't have options like that. Did you have to reconfigure you lighting in your space to accomodate your viewing as well? GLOSSY SUCKS!
They also run down the whole length of the laptop (the front ones are covered with tape, ie look at previous posts pictures), I'm guessing the very front port being the DisplayPort, as the others ports in the picture don't fit that description (ie you say mini displayPort, they appear bigger than the standard displayPort, and why would they go mini when a started size displayPort would fit comfortably?). I wonder what the very back port is in that case. and what that circular button is for next to the very front port.
Given these facts do you think we are in store for a docking station? Perhaps even the display that will take the laptop inside as mentioned in previous patents?
Yeah... I love the speculation but this is just ruining the fun. I guess Apple must either step up its secrecy or let everyone know what they are doing. This is no fun.
You don't actually HAVE to read the articles do you?
I think I'm very glad I got a new 15" MacBook Pro at the beginning of summer.
I like my trackpad button where it is, and I like my DVI port. The new screens look tacky.
Oh, and seriously, one can get a 24" monitor for < $400. I know Apple's monitors are very nice, but they need to price them at least in the ballpark. Wasn't DisplayPort supposed to be cheaper?
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You guys are too much dollar-centric. There exist other currencies, especially euro and yen. The dollar exchange rate is so low that it is impossible for Apple not to rise theirs prices. Converted into euros, a € 1000 MacBook (that translates to around $1200, since the commercial exchange rate is always at least 10% lower than the actual one) is quite affordable for us over here. Sorry, you're living on the wrong side of the pond (at least these days).
What is much worrisome is this Nvidia stuff. I planned to run a real opensource OS (NetBSD) in parallel with MacOS, but Nvidia has been known to keep secret all the docs related to its hardware, effectively impeding any opensource driver developement, even if the nouveau project is making great effort to reverse-engineer the code. Bummer. I hope it'll work, though.
That may be true in the EU but it's not true in GB. I've had a long discussion with a Brit about this and we found that our british counterparts make about half of what an American makes for the same job and currently the exchange rate is under 2:1 so a $1000 laptop is no more affordable than a 500 GBP laptop. Do you have any numbers for average pay to backup your claim?
Edit: Apple is dollar centric because they are a US based company and they make most of their profits from the US so of course it's going to be dollar centric...
For all those who have held out, I hope the wait was worth it.
Also, is there any information about any weight changes?
I'm sitting here in front of my glossy 24" iMac in a room with two windows. I've positioned my desk so that there is not a window right behind me and the display is beautiful. I'm extending my desktop with a NON-glossy Dell 19 inch monitor which looks cold and lifeless in comparison.
In fact because of this I am excited about this new 24" monitor. BUT, no display port on my iMac (I assume an adaptor will be available) and $899?? That's a weeee bit over the top for a consumer monitor ain't it?
But, you're right, it was « worse » this summer. Since then the dollar has recovered a bit.
Nevertheless, I expect a european pricing with figures divided by 1.2 or something.
The Asian supplies should be cheaper... but I'm pretty convincted that, as raw petrolium, chips produced in Asia are paid in dollars and not in local currencies, which would render their price insensitive to dollar health. Anyhow, as you say, we're about to know... As a famous quote of my preferred TV series goes: "Ten minutes and it's all gonna end at the OK corral".
i'm due for a new computer but i'm not into these new 15" notebooks at all.
if it's true what they say and the 17" pro won't be updated, hopefully i'll be able to afford one before they get updated...
ugh.
Here are a few...
http://www.macrumorslive.com/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/l...tebooks-event/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10064559-1.html
http://www.macworld.com/article/1360...p_1?lsrc=top_1
Or you could click the link at the top of the AppleInsider home page.
Why so much glossy display moaning? Do you guys work in a greenhouse in the desert??
Actually there is some reason for this:
See now?
Does anyone know if they will sell off the old 15" MBPs with the matte screens cheaply (or cheaper, at least) after the new ones come out?
If these rumors are true then they are underwhelming and disappointing and Apple may just have opted out of the current tech mini-rally. And no matter how you frame it, you cannot explain away a 2.0GHz chip on a $1300 machine without sounding mealy-mouthed. If these rumors are true then it seems Jobs has forgotten the painful lesson of those insanely overpriced Macs that hobbled the platform's acceptance in the 80s.
I hope to god these laptops exceed expectations and Jobs looks healthy- otherwise expect a big drop. Then again a good time to buy.
What a disappointment ... that stupid Mighty Mouse concept of one huge trackpad button. What is Apple thinking?!?!?.
What a whiner. Have you actually used the new trackpad?? No? Then how can you be so sure it's crap. I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying you can't possibly be sure it is. It's "everything new/different is crap" people like you that stifle innovation.
This is just not fun anymore. Apple, can't you keep people silent until Jobs is on the stage?
/Adrian
Yeah... I love the speculation but this is just ruining the fun. I guess Apple must either step up its secrecy or let everyone know what they are doing. This is no fun.
Actually there is some reason for this:
See now?
Ha! Love it.
Why so much glossy display moaning? Do you guys work in a greenhouse in the desert??
I'm sitting here in front of my glossy 24" iMac in a room with two windows. I've positioned my desk so that there is not a window right behind me and the display is beautiful. I'm extending my desktop with a NON-glossy Dell 19 inch monitor which looks cold and lifeless in comparison.
In fact because of this I am excited about this new 24" monitor. BUT, no display port on my iMac (I assume an adaptor will be available) and $899?? That's a weeee bit over the top for a consumer monitor ain't it?
Most apartments don't have options like that. Did you have to reconfigure you lighting in your space to accomodate your viewing as well? GLOSSY SUCKS!
They also run down the whole length of the laptop (the front ones are covered with tape, ie look at previous posts pictures), I'm guessing the very front port being the DisplayPort, as the others ports in the picture don't fit that description (ie you say mini displayPort, they appear bigger than the standard displayPort, and why would they go mini when a started size displayPort would fit comfortably?). I wonder what the very back port is in that case. and what that circular button is for next to the very front port.
Given these facts do you think we are in store for a docking station? Perhaps even the display that will take the laptop inside as mentioned in previous patents?
Yeah... I love the speculation but this is just ruining the fun. I guess Apple must either step up its secrecy or let everyone know what they are doing. This is no fun.
You don't actually HAVE to read the articles do you?
I like my trackpad button where it is, and I like my DVI port. The new screens look tacky.
Oh, and seriously, one can get a 24" monitor for < $400. I know Apple's monitors are very nice, but they need to price them at least in the ballpark. Wasn't DisplayPort supposed to be cheaper?