While the Gizmodo story read more like an opinion piece (a bad one at that), the larger truth still remains that Apple lied about the real reason Jobs backed out of Macworld. This is Apple's second lie about his health if you remember the "common bug." The fact is, by Steve's own words now, he is unhealthy. Perhaps not at death's door, but hardly "fit as a fiddle" as some were saying who bashed the Gizmodo story.
I don't want to start a flame war, but ... this is also not true.
There is no way you can know that his sickness is the "real" reason Phil is doing MacWorld, no one has said anything of the sort. There is no way you can know that the story about the "common bug" was a lie either. If reports are correct, he has massive diarrhoea from time to time. If that isn't a "common bug" at least in the everyday vernacular, I don't know what is.
He is probably being typically cagey Steve Jobs, and he's certainly not handing over his medical records on a silver platter, but you are spinning a massive conspiracy here that simply doesn't exist.
More likely reason for Steve *not* to do keynotes even though he is healthy?? Because idiots are making such a big deal about his health that it is affecting the health of the company. He has no choice but to "step back" because of rumour mongers and alarmists like many people posting here.
if you've seen his medical records, you were allowed to and should be smart enough to not talk about it...
Steve's letter is very direct and enough information to see whats going on, without the need to think hes lying. Most people who think hes lying aren't medical professionals. Do you really expect anyone who has had parts of his pancreas, small intestines, and stomach removed is NOT going to have some hormone and weight problems?
Apple did not give a reason for Jobs non-appearance at Macworld. They said they would not do trade shows in the future, but that was not the reason for Jobs' absence. They didn't say anything about it.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. The source in their article said clearly that Jobs would probably be dead by this spring. Obviuosly the Gizmodo source had not access to Jobs' doctors or his medical records, and Gizmodo was wrong to print it.
I do stand corrected on that. Apple did not give a reason for Job's absence. The statement did not even mention Job's absence and went on and on about Apple no longer needing trade shows and scaling back. So the posters went wild and some said he was okay and some said he was not healthy.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. However, It's not a defense of the article to be writing here for the last month that the man is not healthy. Those who believed he was sick were proven right today.
What reason did they give for Jobs not doing the keynote in the first place? Right, they didn't give any.
In what court was it declared that Jobs' common bug was found to be a lie? Right, that never happened either because you're speaking out of...ignorance.
As I stated in the last post, I do stand corrected. Apple never officially gave a reason for Jobs not doing the keynote. However, The Apple press statement did go on an on about trade shows. Those here that refused to believe that the man was unhealthy kept offering that up as the real reason Jobs was going to be a no show.
To your second point, Jobs himself acknowledged today that he has been losing weight for a year. (This we all saw with our own eyes) We all get the common bug and we do not look like him when we get the common bug. Please, don't call it ignorance to look at a man and know he is not well. If anything, ignorance is to look at an unhealthy man and insist that he is well. Apple wanted the reality distortion field to include Jobs appearance. I and others believed our eyes and we were proven right.
And, this is not to endorse the god awful article about him dying.
I do stand corrected on that. Apple did not give a reason for Job's absence. The statement did not even mention Job's absence and went on and on about Apple no longer needing trade shows and scaling back. So the posters went wild and some said he was okay and some said he was not healthy.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. However, It's not a defense of the article to be writing here for the last month that the man is not healthy. Those who believed he was sick were proven right today.
It was never about whether Jobs was sick or well, but whether he was well enough to fulfill his duties as Apple?s CEO. Nothing has changed in that regard that we know of.
This still sounds very strange. Hormonol imbalance is easy to detect by a simple blood test. And further- why wasn't/isn't he treated with a mild steroid (ingestible) to gain weight ? He could gain it back much faster than late spring. Also usually "bad" blood throws off the hormones- not the other way around. And finally why is this being mentioned the very day before MacWorld- he obviously won't be there. I think this only makes the situation worse for stockholders.
All in all- I wish him well.
First, it's not as easy as you make out. There's a bunch of hormones, and you would have had to have checked the specific hormone he's talking about. Also, there's a bunch of things that aren't hormones, but which people tend to refer to as such, broadening the field of possibilities further. And as to your question about why people didn't give him steroids to make him gain weight, that's like saying I've had a fever of unknown origin for months, so why weren't people giving me Tylenol. If you have a problem, to try and discover & fix the underlying issue, not mask it. And steroids are considerably less benign that Tylenol. Finally, your comment that '"bad" blood throws off the hormones- not the other way around' is gibberish. (And yes, I am a doctor).
Second, it's worth keeping in mind that just because you find an abnormal lab, that doesn't establish causality. If you find an abnormality, and that abnormality is known to be able to cause a given syndrome, then you fix the abnormality and the syndrome remits, that constitutes reasonably compelling evidence. There's a tendency for excessively willful patients to try and take control of a medical workup and guide it in the direction they see it as needing to go. Hopefully that's not what's happening here.
I had a girlfriend once who was a vegetarian. She became ill. The illness wasn't directly due to being a vegetarian. On the other hand, her diet definitely made it much harder for her to recover. But yet, she wouldn't believe it, wouldn't even consider it. She had a very unhealthy diet, and insisted on viewing it as the cornerstone of her health. Hopefully her situation isn't analogous to Mr Jobs'.
Now hopefully we can draw a line under all this nonsense.
PS: For all you blood hounds who like to speculate about his future with Apple should remember this.
People like Steve Jobs are not that difficult to get rid of. They simply walk away if they feel they can't give 100%. There not there for the politics or solely for financial rewards, just the love of what they do. And as long as they can still do that and keep moving forward they remain where they are and the companies that employ them want that to remain.
Apple stock holders don't know if they're coming or going most of the time. They let the stock tank when it should rising and visa versa most of the time.
Wait until tomorrow...it WILL go down. It always does after a keynote no matter what Apple releases.
But yet, I am not surprised he wrote this letter--there are MAJOR legal ramifications of Apple hiding Jobs' medical condition and Apple could have been sued for massive amounts of money if the company hid Jobs' medical condition to prop up the share price of Apple.
That's just not true. The health and well-being of the president of a corporation is legally no one's business. It'll be a sad day if this were to become another asinine legal requirement (in addition to Sarbanes-Oxley).
Wow.. care to explain how? teckstud can accuse SJ of lying, and play doctor on a forum, but I am not allowed to express my views in reaction to such a post, since it might be distasteful to someone like you?
I agree, that the statement is saying a lot by what it is not saying. Weight loss (cachexia) can be caused by many things. It may be a completely benign cause. However, it is common in cancer (occurs in ~80% of patients in advance-stage cancer) and/or chemotherapy. It can also be caused by chronic inflammation. It would have be better to state that currently there is no evidence of cancer.
It is interesting that the diagnosis needed 'sophisticated' blood test; perhaps his has a pathology in his peptide YY, ghrelin or melanocortin secretion. It is possible that abnormal levels of these hormones are due to problems with his pancreas (his neuroendocrine tumor was pancreatic).
Steve Jobs is a remarkable CEO, but during 2009 he needs to delegate many of his roles to others, even if is is in perfect health. Apple Inc., will survive and prosper without him, but a leadership change needs to be gradual.
I agree, that the statement is saying a lot by what it is not saying. Weight loss (cachexia) can be caused by many things. It may be a completely benign cause. However, it is common in cancer (occurs in ~80% of patients in advance-stage cancer) and/or chemotherapy. It can also be caused by chronic inflammation. It would have be better to state that currently there is no evidence of cancer.
It is interesting that the diagnosis needed 'sophisticated' blood test; perhaps his has a pathology in his peptide YY, ghrelin or melanocortin secretion. It is possible that abnormal levels of these hormones are due to problems with his pancreas (his neuroendocrine tumor was pancreatic).
Steve Jobs is a remarkable CEO, but during 2009 he needs to delegate many of his roles to others, even if is is in perfect health. Apple Inc., will survive and prosper without him, but a leadership change needs to be gradual.
I think we would agree with your last comments Paul, and thanks for the medical diagnosis and theories... it'll make it's way into the sweaty palms of Shaw Wu and his ilk in minutes and give them more fodder for their idiotic prognostications.
Just curious...what are shorts? Short sellers? If so, what are those?
'Shorts' are short-sellers. They bet on a price decline, and make money if that expectation is borne out. Essentially, they sell stock that they do not own, by borrowing it from someone who owns it; if the short-sellers' expectation proves correct and the price falls, they buy it at the lower market price and return it to the person that they originally borrowed the stock from, thereby making a profit. If the price goes up instead, they lose money since they have to buy it at a price higher than at which they sold. See, for instance, http://www.sec.gov/answers/shortsale.htm
You can make a similar bet with put options and protect yourself on the downside (but options cost you money up front).
Some people blame short-sellers for stock price manipulation since they believe they have the incentive to leak adverse news to the market to drive down share prices. Others vehemently disagree.
What is inarguable is: (i) Short selling is perfectly legal; (ii) It is a necessary component of information flows that helps to make the market efficient since it provides the counterpoint to unduly optimistic and rose-colored views that might otherwise prevail, driving the value of the stock away from its fundamentals in the other direction.
“That the stock is up, on his announcement that he’s sick, tells you something,” said Shaw Wu, an analyst at Kaufman Brothers. “I think expectations were that it would be worse, that he would have to step down.”
It's hogwash to think Apple's success is dependent entirely on Steve Jobs. For the last decade Job's has set Apple in motion for success and this momentum that has been built will continue long after Job's leaves the helm. The quality of leadership and talented employees all have to be taken into account. Take for example, Jony Ive, who helped design the new unibody AL-luminum frame for the new line of portables. With talent like that, who can question the direction Apple would take, even without Job's leadership. Job's will leave a great legacy, but it's premature to even speculate at this time. Let's be optimistic for Job's, Apple and the country's economy, in general and stop investing in hogwash. Let's step up to the plate, as consumers,investors or everyday fans with the same fervor, enthusiasm and innovation an Apple employee under Job's leadership would. Stop the hogwash now with the right attitude.
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None of us have- have you? But some of us know of similar cases.
If you haven't seen his medical records, how would you "know of similar cases?"
While the Gizmodo story read more like an opinion piece (a bad one at that), the larger truth still remains that Apple lied about the real reason Jobs backed out of Macworld. This is Apple's second lie about his health if you remember the "common bug." The fact is, by Steve's own words now, he is unhealthy. Perhaps not at death's door, but hardly "fit as a fiddle" as some were saying who bashed the Gizmodo story.
I don't want to start a flame war, but ... this is also not true.
There is no way you can know that his sickness is the "real" reason Phil is doing MacWorld, no one has said anything of the sort. There is no way you can know that the story about the "common bug" was a lie either. If reports are correct, he has massive diarrhoea from time to time. If that isn't a "common bug" at least in the everyday vernacular, I don't know what is.
He is probably being typically cagey Steve Jobs, and he's certainly not handing over his medical records on a silver platter, but you are spinning a massive conspiracy here that simply doesn't exist.
More likely reason for Steve *not* to do keynotes even though he is healthy?? Because idiots are making such a big deal about his health that it is affecting the health of the company. He has no choice but to "step back" because of rumour mongers and alarmists like many people posting here.
Steve's letter is very direct and enough information to see whats going on, without the need to think hes lying. Most people who think hes lying aren't medical professionals. Do you really expect anyone who has had parts of his pancreas, small intestines, and stomach removed is NOT going to have some hormone and weight problems?
Apple did not give a reason for Jobs non-appearance at Macworld. They said they would not do trade shows in the future, but that was not the reason for Jobs' absence. They didn't say anything about it.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. The source in their article said clearly that Jobs would probably be dead by this spring. Obviuosly the Gizmodo source had not access to Jobs' doctors or his medical records, and Gizmodo was wrong to print it.
I do stand corrected on that. Apple did not give a reason for Job's absence. The statement did not even mention Job's absence and went on and on about Apple no longer needing trade shows and scaling back. So the posters went wild and some said he was okay and some said he was not healthy.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. However, It's not a defense of the article to be writing here for the last month that the man is not healthy. Those who believed he was sick were proven right today.
Ugh, so tiring.
What reason did they give for Jobs not doing the keynote in the first place? Right, they didn't give any.
In what court was it declared that Jobs' common bug was found to be a lie? Right, that never happened either because you're speaking out of...ignorance.
As I stated in the last post, I do stand corrected. Apple never officially gave a reason for Jobs not doing the keynote. However, The Apple press statement did go on an on about trade shows. Those here that refused to believe that the man was unhealthy kept offering that up as the real reason Jobs was going to be a no show.
To your second point, Jobs himself acknowledged today that he has been losing weight for a year. (This we all saw with our own eyes) We all get the common bug and we do not look like him when we get the common bug. Please, don't call it ignorance to look at a man and know he is not well. If anything, ignorance is to look at an unhealthy man and insist that he is well. Apple wanted the reality distortion field to include Jobs appearance. I and others believed our eyes and we were proven right.
And, this is not to endorse the god awful article about him dying.
I do stand corrected on that. Apple did not give a reason for Job's absence. The statement did not even mention Job's absence and went on and on about Apple no longer needing trade shows and scaling back. So the posters went wild and some said he was okay and some said he was not healthy.
Gizmodo was totally irresponsible for printing what it did. However, It's not a defense of the article to be writing here for the last month that the man is not healthy. Those who believed he was sick were proven right today.
It was never about whether Jobs was sick or well, but whether he was well enough to fulfill his duties as Apple?s CEO. Nothing has changed in that regard that we know of.
This still sounds very strange. Hormonol imbalance is easy to detect by a simple blood test. And further- why wasn't/isn't he treated with a mild steroid (ingestible) to gain weight ? He could gain it back much faster than late spring. Also usually "bad" blood throws off the hormones- not the other way around. And finally why is this being mentioned the very day before MacWorld- he obviously won't be there. I think this only makes the situation worse for stockholders.
All in all- I wish him well.
First, it's not as easy as you make out. There's a bunch of hormones, and you would have had to have checked the specific hormone he's talking about. Also, there's a bunch of things that aren't hormones, but which people tend to refer to as such, broadening the field of possibilities further. And as to your question about why people didn't give him steroids to make him gain weight, that's like saying I've had a fever of unknown origin for months, so why weren't people giving me Tylenol. If you have a problem, to try and discover & fix the underlying issue, not mask it. And steroids are considerably less benign that Tylenol. Finally, your comment that '"bad" blood throws off the hormones- not the other way around' is gibberish. (And yes, I am a doctor).
Second, it's worth keeping in mind that just because you find an abnormal lab, that doesn't establish causality. If you find an abnormality, and that abnormality is known to be able to cause a given syndrome, then you fix the abnormality and the syndrome remits, that constitutes reasonably compelling evidence. There's a tendency for excessively willful patients to try and take control of a medical workup and guide it in the direction they see it as needing to go. Hopefully that's not what's happening here.
I had a girlfriend once who was a vegetarian. She became ill. The illness wasn't directly due to being a vegetarian. On the other hand, her diet definitely made it much harder for her to recover. But yet, she wouldn't believe it, wouldn't even consider it. She had a very unhealthy diet, and insisted on viewing it as the cornerstone of her health. Hopefully her situation isn't analogous to Mr Jobs'.
Now hopefully we can draw a line under all this nonsense.
PS: For all you blood hounds who like to speculate about his future with Apple should remember this.
People like Steve Jobs are not that difficult to get rid of. They simply walk away if they feel they can't give 100%. There not there for the politics or solely for financial rewards, just the love of what they do. And as long as they can still do that and keep moving forward they remain where they are and the companies that employ them want that to remain.
Apple stock holders don't know if they're coming or going most of the time. They let the stock tank when it should rising and visa versa most of the time.
Wait until tomorrow...it WILL go down. It always does after a keynote no matter what Apple releases.
Then all will be right with the world.
Looks like AI forgot to include the last line of Steve's letter? As it is over at M/R:
Translation: "All you shut the f*ck up about my health!"
Apple was just experimenting with their new model of CEO, the Steve Jobs Air™. Turns out the public didn't like it.
Wishing you and your family well, Steve.
Get well, Mr. Jobs.
But yet, I am not surprised he wrote this letter--there are MAJOR legal ramifications of Apple hiding Jobs' medical condition and Apple could have been sued for massive amounts of money if the company hid Jobs' medical condition to prop up the share price of Apple.
That's just not true. The health and well-being of the president of a corporation is legally no one's business. It'll be a sad day if this were to become another asinine legal requirement (in addition to Sarbanes-Oxley).
Wow -- so much for the "forum" concept...
Wow.. care to explain how? teckstud can accuse SJ of lying, and play doctor on a forum, but I am not allowed to express my views in reaction to such a post, since it might be distasteful to someone like you?
It is interesting that the diagnosis needed 'sophisticated' blood test; perhaps his has a pathology in his peptide YY, ghrelin or melanocortin secretion. It is possible that abnormal levels of these hormones are due to problems with his pancreas (his neuroendocrine tumor was pancreatic).
Steve Jobs is a remarkable CEO, but during 2009 he needs to delegate many of his roles to others, even if is is in perfect health. Apple Inc., will survive and prosper without him, but a leadership change needs to be gradual.
Well, I guess those that have said he would be dead at anytime can now go F*&K themselves.
they do, but they're never satisfied. it's a size thing.
I agree, that the statement is saying a lot by what it is not saying. Weight loss (cachexia) can be caused by many things. It may be a completely benign cause. However, it is common in cancer (occurs in ~80% of patients in advance-stage cancer) and/or chemotherapy. It can also be caused by chronic inflammation. It would have be better to state that currently there is no evidence of cancer.
It is interesting that the diagnosis needed 'sophisticated' blood test; perhaps his has a pathology in his peptide YY, ghrelin or melanocortin secretion. It is possible that abnormal levels of these hormones are due to problems with his pancreas (his neuroendocrine tumor was pancreatic).
Steve Jobs is a remarkable CEO, but during 2009 he needs to delegate many of his roles to others, even if is is in perfect health. Apple Inc., will survive and prosper without him, but a leadership change needs to be gradual.
I think we would agree with your last comments Paul, and thanks for the medical diagnosis and theories... it'll make it's way into the sweaty palms of Shaw Wu and his ilk in minutes and give them more fodder for their idiotic prognostications.
Just curious...what are shorts? Short sellers? If so, what are those?
'Shorts' are short-sellers. They bet on a price decline, and make money if that expectation is borne out. Essentially, they sell stock that they do not own, by borrowing it from someone who owns it; if the short-sellers' expectation proves correct and the price falls, they buy it at the lower market price and return it to the person that they originally borrowed the stock from, thereby making a profit. If the price goes up instead, they lose money since they have to buy it at a price higher than at which they sold. See, for instance, http://www.sec.gov/answers/shortsale.htm
You can make a similar bet with put options and protect yourself on the downside (but options cost you money up front).
Some people blame short-sellers for stock price manipulation since they believe they have the incentive to leak adverse news to the market to drive down share prices. Others vehemently disagree.
What is inarguable is: (i) Short selling is perfectly legal; (ii) It is a necessary component of information flows that helps to make the market efficient since it provides the counterpoint to unduly optimistic and rose-colored views that might otherwise prevail, driving the value of the stock away from its fundamentals in the other direction.
it'll make it's way into the sweaty palms of Shaw Wu and his ilk in minutes and give them more fodder for their idiotic prognostications.
...yes, I'm sorry about that
...yes, I'm sorry about that
It's starting...
“That the stock is up, on his announcement that he’s sick, tells you something,” said Shaw Wu, an analyst at Kaufman Brothers. “I think expectations were that it would be worse, that he would have to step down.”
... what a blowhard.