The best we can say is we don't know why one phone is performing better than the other phone. Wireless network technology is complex, and you cannot really just come to some simplistic conclusion.
If the iPhone performed the same way on all networks, then the phone itself being the problem is a more likely conclusion. But seeing clear evidence that the iPhone does not perform the same on all networks shows that all networks have different proclivities. The best that can be said is we don't know.
apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
you want to believe that the iPhone isn't very good because it doesn't have flash, whereas I believe that flash is a Turd full stop. if flash was NOT the resource hog turd that it is, and instead was a compact resource lite app that STILL kept its full functionality AND was an open standard, then it might be possible for it not to be a Turd.
as its unlikely that all these things will come to be, Flash remains a Turd
yet when the device was released it was "we just need flash now" which after a long time, has morphed into it being a problem with Flash instead of a problem with the device.
you can call it a resource hog all you want, but other phones are capable of it, and that goes to show you that its possible, and *would* be better if at least offered.
this is like saying that cars should not com with a passenger seat/rear seat, they slow the car down due to weight, so why do we have them, plenty of people are perfectly happy driving alone, and it would add speed and storage! passenger seats = Turds.
The only good uses for Flash are simple little games and animations (think Homestarrunner). Using it for site navigation is just evil, and I say this as someone who will probably never own an iPhone.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out. Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music. Finally, every video sharing site now uses Flash as a container instead of just letting us download the damn video. They all auto-play and default the volume to max.
You want this kind of abuse on your phone (and "abuse" is exactly the word for it)? F*ck that. I can block Flash on a Mac or PC using Firefox. I am *never* going to surf the web on a device that has Flash and doesn't let me block it.
If you'd read the article I linked to you would better understand this is not the way it works.
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apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out.
Yeah if I hear "Congratulations you have won a free iPod" one more time a kitten is going die.
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Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music.
Again equally annoying... I dislike going to some musicians web sites because they start playing their music the minute the page loads. This is very annoying because I might already have music playing.
The only good uses for Flash are simple little games and animations (think Homestarrunner). Using it for site navigation is just evil, and I say this as someone who will probably never own an iPhone.
Actually, it's video that I miss. I'd much rather Apple made Quicktime play all the formats of flash video (is it just one standard or lots?). That'd solve all my needs...
apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
You're assuming that 'the network' is a homogenous entity. It's obviously not - the AT&T network in NYC is rock solid, the one in Seattle is not, with the same iPhone. Likewise, the AT&T network in Seattle is extremely poor with some friends' phones, not with others.
Sorry, but your logic doesn't wash. It's phone + carrier + location that determines signal strength and robustness. No one factor is at work exclusively.
A much better position is that in your location, the AT&T network is poor enough such that the iPhone doesn't work well with it, and that's enough reason for you to switch. Really, that's enough reason for anyone to switch, but pointing the finger at one of the three main factors as the exclusive point of failure, and that that somehow extends out to a universal failure of that factor... well that's just silly.
iPhone usage in the NYC area on AT&T is fabulous, so it obviously can't be *just* the phone.
You're assuming that 'the network' is a homogenous entity. It's obviously not - the AT&T network in NYC is rock solid, the one in Seattle is not, with the same iPhone. Likewise, the AT&T network in Seattle is extremely poor with some friends' phones, not with others.
Sorry, but your logic doesn't wash. It's phone + carrier + location that determines signal strength and robustness. No one factor is at work exclusively.
A much better position is that in your location, the AT&T network is poor enough such that the iPhone doesn't work well with it, and that's enough reason for you to switch. Really, that's enough reason for anyone to switch, but pointing the finger at one of the three main factors as the exclusive point of failure, and that that somehow extends out to a universal failure of that factor... well that's just silly.
iPhone usage in the NYC area on AT&T is fabulous, so it obviously can't be *just* the phone.
well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
This really is like talking to a wall...
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its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
Uh huh. Pull my other one.
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(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
You obviously missed the point I made that this was *not* the case in my experience, but... whatever. Your mind is made up, and that's that. You're right, it's all the iPhone's fault. Case closed, regardless of other evidence. Enjoy your LG, I'm sure it's a much better phone for you, given your experiences, which, of course, shape reality for everyone.
Seriously, just use what works for you. It's not rocket science, or religion, it's just a device.
No...you won't. Apple and Steve Jobs rightfully hate you. Go back to hunting from your helicopter.
actually yes i will. as stated before, i find the iPhone to be the single best device on the market. it has so much functionality and such a wide range of features that it is impossible to ignore.
add the fact that it is a great media player (could easily replace my aging Zune) and you get an even more significant level of depth to the device.
but, to tell you the truth, with how much i loved my iPhone (as a device) i probably would get a new one if they only fixed the phone issue, which is there weather the more fanboy-ish members want to admit it or not. is it an issue in every area? probably not, some areas have such good cell service that no matter what phone you use you get 5 bars. however not everywhere is like this. ive used it in plenty of places, and i have had the experience to come up with a very solid conclusion about the 3G iPhone, no articles needed. (even spoke to a "genius") who told me that they knew of the problems and the issues could be solved in a future software update, how and why is beyond me.
as for the stereotypes? its a low blow, something i'd expect from someone that doesnt have an argument, which probably does not have the experience.
i would like to mention that i am a wildlife conservationist, and while i have fished, i have never gone hunting, and unless its subsistence hunting i have no interest in it.
hunting from a helicopter is no sport.
killing wolves is wrong (Something that happened far more often in the lower 48 i might add, to the point of near extinction something we dont have, thank you very much)
another couple fun facts. my family is democrat, along with my extended family and many of my friends, in fact my community (which is closer to seattle than anchorage/wasilla) is more democrat than much of the rest of the state. if our governor was not the VP (and if it wasnt for some rednecks that think that thought she could make a difference) then there would have been a lot more votes for obama, the man i voted for.
just a little info, so you dont make any future ignorant assumptions.
You obviously missed the point I made that this was *not* the case in my experience, but... whatever. Your mind is made up, and that's that. You're right, it's all the iPhone's fault. Case closed, regardless of other evidence. Enjoy your LG, I'm sure it's a much better phone for you, given your experiences, which, of course, shape reality for everyone.
Seriously, just use what works for you. It's not rocket science, or religion, it's just a device.
talking to a wall? what experience have you had? i literally traveled (moved) coast to coast with the damn phone and used it religiously (again, a brilliant device)
im sorry if i dont blindly say "oh yes you must be right, it must be the networks and phone not getting along (oh and carrier) im sorry if it doesnt "get along" that often, then there is something that needs to be done about it.
i dont have this problem with much cheaper phones in the exact same area, which means something needs to be done about th expensive phone.
also i did mention that the LG is a HORRIBLE device, however it is a decent PHONE. at least i can use it under the space needle.
The only good uses for Flash are simple little games and animations (think Homestarrunner). Using it for site navigation is just evil, and I say this as someone who will probably never own an iPhone.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out. Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music. Finally, every video sharing site now uses Flash as a container instead of just letting us download the damn video. They all auto-play and default the volume to max.
You want this kind of abuse on your phone (and "abuse" is exactly the word for it)? F*ck that. I can block Flash on a Mac or PC using Firefox. I am *never* going to surf the web on a device that has Flash and doesn't let me block it.
No no no that is wrong cash can show movies in high quality in a much smaller file size.Somenelitleve adobe is holding it up but if you google you will see apple makes it hard fir adobe as Appke fears new flash apps competing with app store. Then of course thing like south park to three stooges all on flash, full episodes on hulu. Not 1:30 seconds of segment like on joost. Many new phones will have it and with June coming at the same time palm pre with flash turn by turn gps copy paste, apple beret get on the ball as all major players will have app stores. Sorry fir spelling. Typing on iPhone.
talking to a wall? what experience have you had? i literally traveled (moved) coast to coast with the damn phone and used it religiously (again, a brilliant device)
Ditto. And our experiences have differed. I'm sorry that's hard for you to grasp.
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im sorry if i dont blindly say "oh yes you must be right, it must be the networks and phone not getting along (oh and carrier) im sorry if it doesnt "get along" that often, then there is something that needs to be done about it.
AGREED! AT&T's network isn't universally perfect... and it isn't just the iPhone that has issues with it. Could the iPhone have better reception? Probably - antenna design is more black art than science. But when the same device works better on T-Mobile than AT&T in some areas, and vice-versa in others, then it's obvious that network quality differs greatly from location to location. It's not just the phone. It's not just the network. It's not just the location. For where you are going to be, you need to find a phone that works well on your carrier. For Seattle, that's not the iPhone on AT&T, sadly enough. For NYC, it's a fantastic solution.
I'm curious how much of this west/east infrastructure from mergers that led to AT&T Wireless - I've had nothing but good-to-excellent experiences on the east coast with my iPhone (NYC, Raleigh, Atlanta, Boston, DC, I-95 corridor), but really flaky on the west coast (Seattle, SF). Considering the latter are tech centers, this is surprising.
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i dont have this problem with much cheaper phones in the exact same area, which means something needs to be done about th expensive phone.
*headdesk* And I had exactly the opposite experience here in the NYC area. My reception strength and solidity went *up* when I moved to the iPhone. I don't know what to tell you.
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also i did mention that the LG is a HORRIBLE device, however it is a decent PHONE. at least i can use it under the space needle.
Yay! Congrats! You have a working phone! Good for you! My mother in Seattle has an LG touchscreen device on Verizon and the reception is godawful. PM me which model you've got, I'd love to know if it's the same. But as for this thread...
The core issue is that you are attempting to make a simplistic conclusion to a problem that in reality is not simple.
You refuse to acknowledge further information on the issue to understand what the problem could be. You've already made up your mind on what little information you have.
The truth is that the iPhone has gone through extensive testing outside of Apple and the antenna has been found to work fine. The iPhone has been tested on networks around the world. The results have varied on different networks.
For the convenience of what you already believe to be the truth you refuse to understand and acknowledge this information.
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well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
The problem is that Adobe is using Flash to take on Microsoft, which means that it has gone from being a lean, simple vector animation tool into a full-blown scriptable content creation platform, a sort of 21st century interactive CD-ROM (see also: Acrobat). This is why when mobile devices say they run Flash, they're actually running Flash Lite: Flash is a huge and growing beast. I imagine that the only way to get full Flash running on a mobile device would be to use it as the bulk of the operating system, running on top of a minimal kernel. If it's not there, it's not far from being there.
I bet that it would be hard to port Maya to the iPhone, too.
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The best we can say is we don't know why one phone is performing better than the other phone. Wireless network technology is complex, and you cannot really just come to some simplistic conclusion.
If the iPhone performed the same way on all networks, then the phone itself being the problem is a more likely conclusion. But seeing clear evidence that the iPhone does not perform the same on all networks shows that all networks have different proclivities. The best that can be said is we don't know.
apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
no, flash = Turd. iPhone owner or not.
you want to believe that the iPhone isn't very good because it doesn't have flash, whereas I believe that flash is a Turd full stop. if flash was NOT the resource hog turd that it is, and instead was a compact resource lite app that STILL kept its full functionality AND was an open standard, then it might be possible for it not to be a Turd.
as its unlikely that all these things will come to be, Flash remains a Turd
yet when the device was released it was "we just need flash now" which after a long time, has morphed into it being a problem with Flash instead of a problem with the device.
you can call it a resource hog all you want, but other phones are capable of it, and that goes to show you that its possible, and *would* be better if at least offered.
this is like saying that cars should not com with a passenger seat/rear seat, they slow the car down due to weight, so why do we have them, plenty of people are perfectly happy driving alone, and it would add speed and storage! passenger seats = Turds.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out. Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music. Finally, every video sharing site now uses Flash as a container instead of just letting us download the damn video. They all auto-play and default the volume to max.
You want this kind of abuse on your phone (and "abuse" is exactly the word for it)? F*ck that. I can block Flash on a Mac or PC using Firefox. I am *never* going to surf the web on a device that has Flash and doesn't let me block it.
apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out.
Yeah if I hear "Congratulations you have won a free iPod" one more time a kitten is going die.
Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music.
Again equally annoying... I dislike going to some musicians web sites because they start playing their music the minute the page loads. This is very annoying because I might already have music playing.
And we want that shit on the iPhone? Fuck that!
The only good uses for Flash are simple little games and animations (think Homestarrunner). Using it for site navigation is just evil, and I say this as someone who will probably never own an iPhone.
Actually, it's video that I miss. I'd much rather Apple made Quicktime play all the formats of flash video (is it just one standard or lots?). That'd solve all my needs...
Amorya
if the new iPhone this year has flash and works better as a phone (not just a device) i will rebuy the device.
No...you won't. Apple and Steve Jobs rightfully hate you. Go back to hunting from your helicopter.
apple knew what network it would be on with its phone, they should have design the phone to work better on that network, the network should not be designed better to work with the phone.
You're assuming that 'the network' is a homogenous entity. It's obviously not - the AT&T network in NYC is rock solid, the one in Seattle is not, with the same iPhone. Likewise, the AT&T network in Seattle is extremely poor with some friends' phones, not with others.
Sorry, but your logic doesn't wash. It's phone + carrier + location that determines signal strength and robustness. No one factor is at work exclusively.
A much better position is that in your location, the AT&T network is poor enough such that the iPhone doesn't work well with it, and that's enough reason for you to switch. Really, that's enough reason for anyone to switch, but pointing the finger at one of the three main factors as the exclusive point of failure, and that that somehow extends out to a universal failure of that factor... well that's just silly.
iPhone usage in the NYC area on AT&T is fabulous, so it obviously can't be *just* the phone.
No...you won't. Apple and Steve Jobs rightfully hate you. Go back to hunting from your helicopter.
You're assuming that 'the network' is a homogenous entity. It's obviously not - the AT&T network in NYC is rock solid, the one in Seattle is not, with the same iPhone. Likewise, the AT&T network in Seattle is extremely poor with some friends' phones, not with others.
Sorry, but your logic doesn't wash. It's phone + carrier + location that determines signal strength and robustness. No one factor is at work exclusively.
A much better position is that in your location, the AT&T network is poor enough such that the iPhone doesn't work well with it, and that's enough reason for you to switch. Really, that's enough reason for anyone to switch, but pointing the finger at one of the three main factors as the exclusive point of failure, and that that somehow extends out to a universal failure of that factor... well that's just silly.
iPhone usage in the NYC area on AT&T is fabulous, so it obviously can't be *just* the phone.
well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
This really is like talking to a wall...
its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
Uh huh. Pull my other one.
(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
You obviously missed the point I made that this was *not* the case in my experience, but... whatever. Your mind is made up, and that's that. You're right, it's all the iPhone's fault. Case closed, regardless of other evidence. Enjoy your LG, I'm sure it's a much better phone for you, given your experiences, which, of course, shape reality for everyone.
Seriously, just use what works for you. It's not rocket science, or religion, it's just a device.
No...you won't. Apple and Steve Jobs rightfully hate you. Go back to hunting from your helicopter.
actually yes i will. as stated before, i find the iPhone to be the single best device on the market. it has so much functionality and such a wide range of features that it is impossible to ignore.
add the fact that it is a great media player (could easily replace my aging Zune) and you get an even more significant level of depth to the device.
but, to tell you the truth, with how much i loved my iPhone (as a device) i probably would get a new one if they only fixed the phone issue, which is there weather the more fanboy-ish members want to admit it or not. is it an issue in every area? probably not, some areas have such good cell service that no matter what phone you use you get 5 bars. however not everywhere is like this. ive used it in plenty of places, and i have had the experience to come up with a very solid conclusion about the 3G iPhone, no articles needed. (even spoke to a "genius") who told me that they knew of the problems and the issues could be solved in a future software update, how and why is beyond me.
as for the stereotypes? its a low blow, something i'd expect from someone that doesnt have an argument, which probably does not have the experience.
i would like to mention that i am a wildlife conservationist, and while i have fished, i have never gone hunting, and unless its subsistence hunting i have no interest in it.
hunting from a helicopter is no sport.
killing wolves is wrong (Something that happened far more often in the lower 48 i might add, to the point of near extinction something we dont have, thank you very much)
another couple fun facts. my family is democrat, along with my extended family and many of my friends, in fact my community (which is closer to seattle than anchorage/wasilla) is more democrat than much of the rest of the state. if our governor was not the VP (and if it wasnt for some rednecks that think that thought she could make a difference) then there would have been a lot more votes for obama, the man i voted for.
just a little info, so you dont make any future ignorant assumptions.
This really is like talking to a wall...
Uh huh. Pull my other one.
You obviously missed the point I made that this was *not* the case in my experience, but... whatever. Your mind is made up, and that's that. You're right, it's all the iPhone's fault. Case closed, regardless of other evidence. Enjoy your LG, I'm sure it's a much better phone for you, given your experiences, which, of course, shape reality for everyone.
Seriously, just use what works for you. It's not rocket science, or religion, it's just a device.
talking to a wall? what experience have you had? i literally traveled (moved) coast to coast with the damn phone and used it religiously (again, a brilliant device)
im sorry if i dont blindly say "oh yes you must be right, it must be the networks and phone not getting along (oh and carrier) im sorry if it doesnt "get along" that often, then there is something that needs to be done about it.
i dont have this problem with much cheaper phones in the exact same area, which means something needs to be done about th expensive phone.
also i did mention that the LG is a HORRIBLE device, however it is a decent PHONE. at least i can use it under the space needle.
The only good uses for Flash are simple little games and animations (think Homestarrunner). Using it for site navigation is just evil, and I say this as someone who will probably never own an iPhone.
The #1 most predominant use of Flash on the web is for advertising. Ads that move, ads that talk and play music, ads that make me want to stab my eyes out. Then there's site navigation, with buttons that make clicks and whooshing noises when you mouse over them, and half of those sites auto-play music. Finally, every video sharing site now uses Flash as a container instead of just letting us download the damn video. They all auto-play and default the volume to max.
You want this kind of abuse on your phone (and "abuse" is exactly the word for it)? F*ck that. I can block Flash on a Mac or PC using Firefox. I am *never* going to surf the web on a device that has Flash and doesn't let me block it.
No no no that is wrong cash can show movies in high quality in a much smaller file size.Somenelitleve adobe is holding it up but if you google you will see apple makes it hard fir adobe as Appke fears new flash apps competing with app store. Then of course thing like south park to three stooges all on flash, full episodes on hulu. Not 1:30 seconds of segment like on joost. Many new phones will have it and with June coming at the same time palm pre with flash turn by turn gps copy paste, apple beret get on the ball as all major players will have app stores. Sorry fir spelling. Typing on iPhone.
Peace
talking to a wall? what experience have you had? i literally traveled (moved) coast to coast with the damn phone and used it religiously (again, a brilliant device)
Ditto. And our experiences have differed. I'm sorry that's hard for you to grasp.
im sorry if i dont blindly say "oh yes you must be right, it must be the networks and phone not getting along (oh and carrier) im sorry if it doesnt "get along" that often, then there is something that needs to be done about it.
AGREED! AT&T's network isn't universally perfect... and it isn't just the iPhone that has issues with it. Could the iPhone have better reception? Probably - antenna design is more black art than science. But when the same device works better on T-Mobile than AT&T in some areas, and vice-versa in others, then it's obvious that network quality differs greatly from location to location. It's not just the phone. It's not just the network. It's not just the location. For where you are going to be, you need to find a phone that works well on your carrier. For Seattle, that's not the iPhone on AT&T, sadly enough. For NYC, it's a fantastic solution.
I'm curious how much of this west/east infrastructure from mergers that led to AT&T Wireless - I've had nothing but good-to-excellent experiences on the east coast with my iPhone (NYC, Raleigh, Atlanta, Boston, DC, I-95 corridor), but really flaky on the west coast (Seattle, SF). Considering the latter are tech centers, this is surprising.
i dont have this problem with much cheaper phones in the exact same area, which means something needs to be done about th expensive phone.
*headdesk* And I had exactly the opposite experience here in the NYC area. My reception strength and solidity went *up* when I moved to the iPhone. I don't know what to tell you.
also i did mention that the LG is a HORRIBLE device, however it is a decent PHONE. at least i can use it under the space needle.
Yay! Congrats! You have a working phone! Good for you! My mother in Seattle has an LG touchscreen device on Verizon and the reception is godawful. PM me which model you've got, I'd love to know if it's the same. But as for this thread...
Can we drop this now?
You refuse to acknowledge further information on the issue to understand what the problem could be. You've already made up your mind on what little information you have.
The truth is that the iPhone has gone through extensive testing outside of Apple and the antenna has been found to work fine. The iPhone has been tested on networks around the world. The results have varied on different networks.
For the convenience of what you already believe to be the truth you refuse to understand and acknowledge this information.
well also had the problems in montana, alaska (where i got the phone), boston, and Amherst. same result every single place, been to every single place with the new phone, solid reliable service. how is this not the devices fault.
i am noticing a theme on this website with *some* of the members. if you disagree with them its because "you just dont understand". thats bullshit, i understand very well, i lived with it for 4 months. (actually a bit more) and i have had the LG for nearly the same amount of time. i have stayed on the same network with the same account and gotten dramatically different results.
its an open and shut case (im also not the only person that mentioned this with the iPhone... i mean the only non-apple fanboy.
(PS in a business city like NYC im pretty sure all cell service is pretty top notch, for any phone and any carrier)
now do they cancel "goat" out?
The problem is that Adobe is using Flash to take on Microsoft, which means that it has gone from being a lean, simple vector animation tool into a full-blown scriptable content creation platform, a sort of 21st century interactive CD-ROM (see also: Acrobat). This is why when mobile devices say they run Flash, they're actually running Flash Lite: Flash is a huge and growing beast. I imagine that the only way to get full Flash running on a mobile device would be to use it as the bulk of the operating system, running on top of a minimal kernel. If it's not there, it's not far from being there.
I bet that it would be hard to port Maya to the iPhone, too.