On the desktop, Apple isn't seeing quite the same explosive growth as in mobile but still has some reason to be content
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
saw this on twitter, ( on ipod touch, using TwitterFon ) I think a big surge is due to disabled users who are also connecting via home or free WiFi not just 2g/3g and like the portability when in the "reading room" or just moving from room to room.
Can you see bringing your whole laptop into..well use your imaginations
Also, I expect, like me, many people often probably connect to the internet when the adverts come on during a tv program. It could be that some interesting point was discussed or mentioned, a descriptive/technological word perhaps, that I want to check up on etc, I can look it up on the web while the adverts are on, or have a quick session of Bejeweled or Sudoko, check my email, look up the latest news without having to switch channels - because you can!!
It comes as no surprise to me how popular the IPT has become in such a short time, as more and more people discover its potential.
I didn't realize Linux was so small. We (Mac) are the same size relative to them as Windows is to us.
I think it is good to highlight this. Part of this is because it was OS X, not Linux which made UNIX user friendly. Even though OS X launched years after Linux was apparently meant to have achieved this goal.
Whilst Linux is in use in a lot of places (wireless routers, server rooms) very few people use it on the Desktop.
The Mac is the opposite. The server presence is minimal, presence in embedded devices is minimal, yet presence in devices people choose to buy for personal and professional and use day-to-day basis is fairly significant.
This is I think these usage statistics are far more interesting and relevant that market share figures.
US market share or global worldwide market share? It is not the same.
According to Net Applications, their figures show the global market share; but they seem to be heavily skewed towards English-speaking sites. They generally credit Apple with about twice the market share indicated by other sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_mark...#Summary_table
As the overall PC shipments are down (even after including netbooks), where exactly would you see this "effect"? People who bought a 15" Acer Crapbook GTi DOHC in 2008, just bought an 10" eekPC in 2009... they both show up as Windows in this statistic.
I think you are correct. My question was directed more at the several posters who have
stated that Apple is losing massive market share to netbooks. If they were correct, one
would expect to see a spike in the Windows usage statistics, and a corresponding dip
US market share or global worldwide market share? It is not the same.
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
anyone?
"Market" share looks to be a misnomer anyways. I think it's a lot more appropriate to call it a usage share, if I were to offer a suggestion. "Market" implies something's being sold, and that's a hard thing to pin down. Web stores are selling products or services, and most web sites are selling ad space, but I don't think either is affected by the type of device it's being sent to. I know my own site doesn't make any differentiation. Some major sites do make simplified versions of their sites for mobile devices, but usually as a device class, usually it's not singling out a specific device model.
"Market" share looks to be a misnomer anyways. I think it's a lot more appropriate to call it a usage share, if I were to offer a suggestion. "Market" implies something's being sold, and that's a hard thing to pin down. Web stores are selling products or services, and most web sites are selling ad space, but I don't think either is affected by the type of device it's being sent to.
Hm, I think what they really mean is the online advertising market in this context. And here the device does matter a bit. If 50% of my hits come from an iPhone, using Flash ads will not make me that rich.
I think you are correct. My question was directed more at the several posters who have stated that Apple is losing massive market share to netbooks. If they were correct, one would expect to see a spike in the Windows usage statistics, and a corresponding dip
in the Apple usage stats, nicht wahr?
OK, I see. There is a little twist here. Online usage does reflect the sum of all computers and smart phones still in use, some of them may be up to 8-10 years old, the majority maybe 2-3 years. The number does not only reflect devices sold in the last three months. You see a higher percentage of e.g. iPhones, as the smartphone category is rather new (it did not really take off before the iPhone), but for computers market share (sales-wise) has to change dramatically to make a noticeable impact on Website statistics. The statistic does not really tell a lot about market share at all (Apple is miles away from 9% globally, estimates are 3-4% methinks); a lot of Windows and Linux boxes are used in business environments without Internet access (or restricted to Intranet use), or work as dumb terminals or do mainly access sites not being watched in this statistic (as this metric focuses on advertisements, sites without any should be under-represented), while likely close to 100% of Macs are used for private surfing.
The global computer market shrunk 7% in Q1 CY2009 (year-over-year). If you eliminate netbook sales from the numbers, it shrunk around 15%. Apple sales (by units) only declined 3%. So, Apple's market share grew a tiny bit when compared to the 7% figure, quite a bit, if you eliminate netbooks from the statistics, and the profit share should be through the roof (as Apple does not even compete in the netbook segment). Truth is: So far Apple has not lost any market share to netbooks, individual buyers certainly.
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
anyone?
My all time favorite saying: "85% of all statistics are made up"
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
Sadly, the ads do work sometimes.
Not on the Premium end of the market, which Apple is targeting. Those who do have the money to spend have, and will continue to invariably choose a Mac.
The rest of the market can stay stuck on cheap windows boxes. No taste. Fine by me.
But in the end they'll pay. Just in a different, perhaps more furstrating way.
How many netbooks use XP vs. Linux? Either way the Netbook surge could make a serious dent in M$'s market share and put them in even more of a mess.
Vista computers are a bag of hurt. My old man is stuck with his new machine. He tried to set up a web cam so that we can Skype. My mac is perfect. His PC worked once and since then the sound is off. He has no idea how to fix it. He spends hours trying to get it to work.
Someone in the market for a $400 Best Buy notebook isn't in the market for an Apple computer in the first place. So its not really a lost sale.
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
Unless you load on another browser, I don't see very many people avoiding the use of Safari. Their is something like 8 million websites and native apps are an infinitesimally smaller number.
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Originally Posted by guinness
As for as the Touch, I'm not sure what to say about 1.5 users out of a 1000 is really being that significant. I can't say that I ever use mobile Safari much anymore, as one, I don't like it, and two, I've got my netbook.
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On the desktop, Apple isn't seeing quite the same explosive growth as in mobile but still has some reason to be content
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
Sadly, the ads do work sometimes.
saw this on twitter, ( on ipod touch, using TwitterFon ) I think a big surge is due to disabled users who are also connecting via home or free WiFi not just 2g/3g and like the portability when in the "reading room" or just moving from room to room.
Can you see bringing your whole laptop into..well use your imaginations
Also, I expect, like me, many people often probably connect to the internet when the adverts come on during a tv program. It could be that some interesting point was discussed or mentioned, a descriptive/technological word perhaps, that I want to check up on etc, I can look it up on the web while the adverts are on, or have a quick session of Bejeweled or Sudoko, check my email, look up the latest news without having to switch channels - because you can!!
It comes as no surprise to me how popular the IPT has become in such a short time, as more and more people discover its potential.
I didn't realize Linux was so small. We (Mac) are the same size relative to them as Windows is to us.
I think it is good to highlight this. Part of this is because it was OS X, not Linux which made UNIX user friendly. Even though OS X launched years after Linux was apparently meant to have achieved this goal.
Whilst Linux is in use in a lot of places (wireless routers, server rooms) very few people use it on the Desktop.
The Mac is the opposite. The server presence is minimal, presence in embedded devices is minimal, yet presence in devices people choose to buy for personal and professional and use day-to-day basis is fairly significant.
This is I think these usage statistics are far more interesting and relevant that market share figures.
US market share or global worldwide market share? It is not the same.
According to Net Applications, their figures show the global market share; but they seem to be heavily skewed towards English-speaking sites. They generally credit Apple with about twice the market share indicated by other sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_mark...#Summary_table
I can get work done faster on an ipod touch versus any PC desktop.
Work? If that's not a hyperbolic line, then there aren't any.
I can get work done faster on an ipod touch versus any PC desktop.
Heh, what kind of work?
As the overall PC shipments are down (even after including netbooks), where exactly would you see this "effect"? People who bought a 15" Acer Crapbook GTi DOHC in 2008, just bought an 10" eekPC in 2009... they both show up as Windows in this statistic.
I think you are correct. My question was directed more at the several posters who have
stated that Apple is losing massive market share to netbooks. If they were correct, one
would expect to see a spike in the Windows usage statistics, and a corresponding dip
in the Apple usage stats, nicht wahr?
US market share or global worldwide market share? It is not the same.
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
anyone?
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
anyone?
"Market" share looks to be a misnomer anyways. I think it's a lot more appropriate to call it a usage share, if I were to offer a suggestion. "Market" implies something's being sold, and that's a hard thing to pin down. Web stores are selling products or services, and most web sites are selling ad space, but I don't think either is affected by the type of device it's being sent to. I know my own site doesn't make any differentiation. Some major sites do make simplified versions of their sites for mobile devices, but usually as a device class, usually it's not singling out a specific device model.
"Market" share looks to be a misnomer anyways. I think it's a lot more appropriate to call it a usage share, if I were to offer a suggestion. "Market" implies something's being sold, and that's a hard thing to pin down. Web stores are selling products or services, and most web sites are selling ad space, but I don't think either is affected by the type of device it's being sent to.
Hm, I think what they really mean is the online advertising market in this context. And here the device does matter a bit. If 50% of my hits come from an iPhone, using Flash ads will not make me that rich.
I think you are correct. My question was directed more at the several posters who have stated that Apple is losing massive market share to netbooks. If they were correct, one would expect to see a spike in the Windows usage statistics, and a corresponding dip
in the Apple usage stats, nicht wahr?
OK, I see. There is a little twist here. Online usage does reflect the sum of all computers and smart phones still in use, some of them may be up to 8-10 years old, the majority maybe 2-3 years. The number does not only reflect devices sold in the last three months. You see a higher percentage of e.g. iPhones, as the smartphone category is rather new (it did not really take off before the iPhone), but for computers market share (sales-wise) has to change dramatically to make a noticeable impact on Website statistics. The statistic does not really tell a lot about market share at all (Apple is miles away from 9% globally, estimates are 3-4% methinks); a lot of Windows and Linux boxes are used in business environments without Internet access (or restricted to Intranet use), or work as dumb terminals or do mainly access sites not being watched in this statistic (as this metric focuses on advertisements, sites without any should be under-represented), while likely close to 100% of Macs are used for private surfing.
The global computer market shrunk 7% in Q1 CY2009 (year-over-year). If you eliminate netbook sales from the numbers, it shrunk around 15%. Apple sales (by units) only declined 3%. So, Apple's market share grew a tiny bit when compared to the 7% figure, quite a bit, if you eliminate netbooks from the statistics, and the profit share should be through the roof (as Apple does not even compete in the netbook segment). Truth is: So far Apple has not lost any market share to netbooks, individual buyers certainly.
Don't worry guys - it was just me.
why is it that every news item, blog, web site, discussion, whatever... about market share, leaves you clueless. NO ONE EVER PROPERLY QUALIFIES WHAT THE HELL IT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
what is the point if statistics are not qualified?
Market share of WHAT????
- for what period
- for what location
-for which demographic
exactly, global and US market share are not the same thing.... what are we talking about here??????
anyone?
My all time favorite saying: "85% of all statistics are made up"
The less people using IE (any version) the better. I'm a web develop and it's a pain in the ass to make anything work/look right in.
That would be fewer people.
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
Sadly, the ads do work sometimes.
Not on the Premium end of the market, which Apple is targeting. Those who do have the money to spend have, and will continue to invariably choose a Mac.
The rest of the market can stay stuck on cheap windows boxes. No taste. Fine by me.
But in the end they'll pay. Just in a different, perhaps more furstrating way.
Vista computers are a bag of hurt. My old man is stuck with his new machine. He tried to set up a web cam so that we can Skype. My mac is perfect. His PC worked once and since then the sound is off. He has no idea how to fix it. He spends hours trying to get it to work.
I'm going to have to get him a MacBook.
I have a co worker who told me he needed a new computer. I suggested a Mac and got the usual "No way! They're too expensive! I'm going to get a four hundered dollar Vista computer from Best Buy."
Sadly, the ads do work sometimes.
As for as the Touch, I'm not sure what to say about 1.5 users out of a 1000 is really being that significant. I can't say that I ever use mobile Safari much anymore, as one, I don't like it, and two, I've got my netbook.