Speaking as part of a small team of new iPhone app developers, I can personally tell you that the entire process and the instructions provided by Apple on app creation are an out-of-control disaster. We have literally found dozens and dozens of errors, ranging from "smack me in the head stupid" to major blunders that have thrown roadblocks up to understanding the nature of Xcode and the UI kit. I'm absolutely shocked there are as many apps as there are, because Apple has really fallen down on the job in this area. Major, major improvements are needed.
I'd be curious (seriously) about some specifics. I started 3 weeks ago learning Obj-C from scratch (mostly C programming before with some object stuff in Python and javascript) using X-Code, Apple docs., and google (very important) and at this point I've got the Alpha version of my iphone app up an running. I'm waiting on Apple's dev license to come through to hook up to the camera and accel on a real phone but I thought the process was reasonably smooth. Note that I've been doing this in isolation (no one to talk with) so I'm surprised it's gone this quickly. Got the data model and views established and connected. Google was critical that that's always been the case on every new language I've done.
I think the point is to show that the company runs fine without SJ and can deliver great products. It wouldn't make sense to see him return as the Messiah.
Exactly. No matter how much SJ's health improves he won't return to the stage. He may guest appear but it will never again be a solo act. It must be a huge weight of his, and everybody else's shoulders that the company has managed to move away from the 'one-man-show' thing. The prediction for years has been that the moment he steps away, Apple is finished. The jury is still out on that one of course, but without him on stage a lot of the pressure is off.
I was pretty sure that this is the case. ... This gives a lot of credibility to the new UI rumor(sic). ... I hope that the new UI will bring resolution independence along the way. ... The new UI alone will be the most significant change since Mac OS X introduction ... It will greatly increase the perceived advantage over Windows 7. ...
Where the heck are you getting this stuff from? Unless you are an inside developer (and currently breaking your NDA), there is no way that you can know this stuff with any assurance.
It sounds to me like you're just dreaming and spinning some kind of "I wish" scenario but stupidly phrasing it as if you actually know what's going on.
If you're going to just make crap up, what's the point of posting? On the other hand, if you actually know this to be true, why not post some screen shots of the fantastic new UI? Your NDA is already toast anyway.
So much for the hope of Snow Leopard this June. Final developer preview "as we work toward its final release" sounds a lot like a late Fall release if not later. I really hope they beat Windows 7 to market, but looks like it'll be close.
The opening keynote address has historically been delivered by Apple chief executive Steve Jobs, who announced in January that he was taking a six-month medical leave from his day-to-day leadership role at the company to recover from complex health issues that may have resulted from his otherwise successful bout with pancreatic cancer five years ago.
Apple executives have maintained that Jobs will return to the company in some capacity by the end of June. In the meantime, worldwide marketing chief Phil Schiller has been filling in for the company co-founder, delivering what was widely regarded as a successful keynote presentation at this year's Macworld Expo.
While I wish Steve Jobs a long and peaceful retirement, I am convinced that he will never return to Apple as CEO and that the only reason he didn't announce his retirement "for medical reasons" is that he wanted his stock options to vest (to get more stock options because he stayed on as Apple CEO for a longer or the stated period).
The condition of Steve Jobs is so serious that he has been unable to discharge his duties as CEO since mid October 2008, a condition he has made official by taking a medical leave "until the end of June".
Unfortunately for him, Steve Jobs cannot recover his health overnight or over a 6 month period. His condition is too serious for that.
I wish Steve Jobs a long and peaceful retirement. May he get to enjoy his wealth and his family for a long time to come.
That would be Cirque du Serlet. Yeah, I could go for that, too.
btw: a 6 month hiatus for Jobs means July.
pps: Apple, we know you don't read these rumor sites, but for all the developers who can't make it to WWDC, let's get the preview into their hands a little faster than last time, okay?
Speaking as part of a small team of new iPhone app developers, I can personally tell you that the entire process and the instructions provided by Apple on app creation are an out-of-control disaster. We have literally found dozens and dozens of errors, ranging from "smack me in the head stupid" to major blunders that have thrown roadblocks up to understanding the nature of Xcode and the UI kit. I'm absolutely shocked there are as many apps as there are, because Apple has really fallen down on the job in this area. Major, major improvements are needed.
Really? While I understand your obvious frustration, I still believe that overall they have done a pretty good job. Could it be improved? Absolutely. Is the information provided sometimes conflicting? Yes.
I have no doubt that many of us are new to this (iPhone Development), but that to me is what makes it so exciting. I am still blown away by the fact that I can click on live code and be taken to the exact section of the documentation that tells me how the (for example) UITableView class I want to use should be implemented, as well as the reasons why.
So, can you give us an example of what you are finding that is a disaster? It's not that I am challenging you here - it just hasn't been my experience at all.
As odd as my next comment might seem, please tell me that you are not using just the online (or downloaded) documentation as your only source? There are numerous books, videos and support groups out there that do a much better job of it. Especially when you are first attempting to get your head around all of it.
They got away with a boring Macworld. I don't think though that they can get away with a boring WWDC because everybody is assuming that its going to be a hot show.
The competition is absolutely ready to debut their mobile products on or before June 8th to coincide with what everyone thinks will be the debut day for new Apple mobile products.
It will interesting to see if Apple will have a boring WWDC and they let the competition truly catch up and possible take a small lead.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
There have been several suggestions / rumors that a more unified (minimal) 'look' will be implemented with the release of SL. There are many tweaks that posters have been pining for for a long time. personally I'd like to see a better implemented finder.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
There are many reasons for Apple to make changes to the UI.
• They said no features but then went on to describe features.
• GC and OpenC are features, just not easily marketed features for re average person. Probably why they gave GC a cool marketing name.
• A UI change isn't much of a feature, it just a new skin. Something that Apple's marketing wizards will say is beeded to give proper cause for buying the new OS. People by and large like new shiny objects.
• There are rumours of a UI change called Marble.
• There has been so little change to the UI, despite changes in other places, that it would seem they are waiting until WWDC to woo us.
• MS has a much nicer looking, stable, and resource friendly OS--though not faster, surprisingly--coming out this year so it would stad to reason that Apple will not ship the same UI they have been using for 2 years on Leopard.
Many of us on this forum are excited about these under-the-hood changes, but we aren't exacly the norm.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
same story as windows
you can make a lot of changes under the hood but if the UI looks the same everyone asks what is different and why should they buy this. but if you make a few UI changes and nothing under the hood except marketing speak everyone will love the new OS
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
Uh, because Apple did the same thing when they released Leopard, which originally looked no different from Tiger, to developers. They said new features were coming, but only unveiled the UI when it was near completion.
In reality, there are new features coming in Snow Leopard, they're just under the hood. Apple knows the average computer user isn't going to appreciate such technical matters, only the resulting performance boost, thus the "no new features" wordage.
It's obvious Apple is moving away from Aqua and every release of Mac OS X has seen UI changes, however subtle they may be. Do you honestly think nothing will be tweaked at all?
I'm guessing in addition to the death of Aqua, we'll see influences from iTunes 8, Safari 4, and especially, the iPhone.
For instance, take Mac OS X's Menu Bar, which has remained largely unchanged since its introduction a decade ago. Now, how often do you miss it on the iPhone? What if they replace it with something more visual, like a universal button bar similar to the iWork apps? I find I rarely use the Menu Bar in Pages and Keynote because there are icons and pallet windows for most tasks, which are far more intuitive than mousing over the Menu Bar's text-heavy drop down lists.
Replacing the Menu Bar alone would be a significant change that wouldn't necessarily qualify as a "feature."
Steve is more fun to watch than schiller, but i prefer schiller - no reality distortion field.
Naahhhh... Schiller is nowhere near the showman Steve was (is?)... Much, much prefer Jobs' presentations. He is a living legend in modern business (and not just because he says so).
I think he'll be there, but what I don't know is if Apple will be able to keep it under wraps until he steps out on stage, or at least until that morning. It would be good free publicity to have Jobs take the stage to introduce the new iPhone, which is Apple's number one cash cow.
Only if his physical appearance has improved. If he still looks gaunt and weary, he's better off staying away.
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Unfortunately for him, Steve Jobs cannot recover his health overnight or over a 6 month period. His condition is too serious for that.
I'm not a real doctor, but I do play one on the internet. Based on my inability to examine Steve or his medical records, and my complete lack of any medical knowledge, I can report that his condition is stable and improving, but may get rapidly worse or better in the immediate or distant future. He is expected to die, at some point over the next 50 years. He should take two aspirins and not call me in the morning.
Yes I'm sure the UI will be tweaked the same way it has always been between releases, but nothing tells me it will be radically changed, only vague rumors.
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Speaking as part of a small team of new iPhone app developers, I can personally tell you that the entire process and the instructions provided by Apple on app creation are an out-of-control disaster. We have literally found dozens and dozens of errors, ranging from "smack me in the head stupid" to major blunders that have thrown roadblocks up to understanding the nature of Xcode and the UI kit. I'm absolutely shocked there are as many apps as there are, because Apple has really fallen down on the job in this area. Major, major improvements are needed.
I'd be curious (seriously) about some specifics. I started 3 weeks ago learning Obj-C from scratch (mostly C programming before with some object stuff in Python and javascript) using X-Code, Apple docs., and google (very important) and at this point I've got the Alpha version of my iphone app up an running. I'm waiting on Apple's dev license to come through to hook up to the camera and accel on a real phone but I thought the process was reasonably smooth. Note that I've been doing this in isolation (no one to talk with) so I'm surprised it's gone this quickly. Got the data model and views established and connected. Google was critical that that's always been the case on every new language I've done.
No Steve? It'll be interesting to see what the stock price does today.
But I sense a bit of wiggle room in what Apple is saying here. Perhaps Phil kicks off the speech, but Steve is this year's "one more thing"?
And then Steve comes out and introduces Sir Paul and Ringo to announce the Beatles catalog on iTunes.
I think the point is to show that the company runs fine without SJ and can deliver great products. It wouldn't make sense to see him return as the Messiah.
Exactly. No matter how much SJ's health improves he won't return to the stage. He may guest appear but it will never again be a solo act. It must be a huge weight of his, and everybody else's shoulders that the company has managed to move away from the 'one-man-show' thing. The prediction for years has been that the moment he steps away, Apple is finished. The jury is still out on that one of course, but without him on stage a lot of the pressure is off.
I was pretty sure that this is the case. ... This gives a lot of credibility to the new UI rumor(sic). ... I hope that the new UI will bring resolution independence along the way. ... The new UI alone will be the most significant change since Mac OS X introduction ... It will greatly increase the perceived advantage over Windows 7. ...
Where the heck are you getting this stuff from? Unless you are an inside developer (and currently breaking your NDA), there is no way that you can know this stuff with any assurance.
It sounds to me like you're just dreaming and spinning some kind of "I wish" scenario but stupidly phrasing it as if you actually know what's going on.
If you're going to just make crap up, what's the point of posting? On the other hand, if you actually know this to be true, why not post some screen shots of the fantastic new UI? Your NDA is already toast anyway.
So much for the hope of Snow Leopard this June. Final developer preview "as we work toward its final release" sounds a lot like a late Fall release if not later. I really hope they beat Windows 7 to market, but looks like it'll be close.
Or else...you'll switch to windows?
The opening keynote address has historically been delivered by Apple chief executive Steve Jobs, who announced in January that he was taking a six-month medical leave from his day-to-day leadership role at the company to recover from complex health issues that may have resulted from his otherwise successful bout with pancreatic cancer five years ago.
Apple executives have maintained that Jobs will return to the company in some capacity by the end of June. In the meantime, worldwide marketing chief Phil Schiller has been filling in for the company co-founder, delivering what was widely regarded as a successful keynote presentation at this year's Macworld Expo.
While I wish Steve Jobs a long and peaceful retirement, I am convinced that he will never return to Apple as CEO and that the only reason he didn't announce his retirement "for medical reasons" is that he wanted his stock options to vest (to get more stock options because he stayed on as Apple CEO for a longer or the stated period).
The condition of Steve Jobs is so serious that he has been unable to discharge his duties as CEO since mid October 2008, a condition he has made official by taking a medical leave "until the end of June".
Unfortunately for him, Steve Jobs cannot recover his health overnight or over a 6 month period. His condition is too serious for that.
I wish Steve Jobs a long and peaceful retirement. May he get to enjoy his wealth and his family for a long time to come.
While I wish Steve Jobs a long and peaceful retirement, I am convinced that he will never return to Apple as CEO
Psst, Steve Jobs never stopped being CEO. He's simply not in the building.
I want some Bertrand Serlet (WWDC '06)!!!! Yeah!
That would be Cirque du Serlet. Yeah, I could go for that, too.
btw: a 6 month hiatus for Jobs means July.
pps: Apple, we know you don't read these rumor sites,
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
We know what happened to Apple so maybe SJ will have a smashing comeback as well.
Speaking as part of a small team of new iPhone app developers, I can personally tell you that the entire process and the instructions provided by Apple on app creation are an out-of-control disaster. We have literally found dozens and dozens of errors, ranging from "smack me in the head stupid" to major blunders that have thrown roadblocks up to understanding the nature of Xcode and the UI kit. I'm absolutely shocked there are as many apps as there are, because Apple has really fallen down on the job in this area. Major, major improvements are needed.
Really? While I understand your obvious frustration, I still believe that overall they have done a pretty good job. Could it be improved? Absolutely. Is the information provided sometimes conflicting? Yes.
I have no doubt that many of us are new to this (iPhone Development), but that to me is what makes it so exciting. I am still blown away by the fact that I can click on live code and be taken to the exact section of the documentation that tells me how the (for example) UITableView class I want to use should be implemented, as well as the reasons why.
So, can you give us an example of what you are finding that is a disaster? It's not that I am challenging you here - it just hasn't been my experience at all.
As odd as my next comment might seem, please tell me that you are not using just the online (or downloaded) documentation as your only source? There are numerous books, videos and support groups out there that do a much better job of it. Especially when you are first attempting to get your head around all of it.
They got away with a boring Macworld. I don't think though that they can get away with a boring WWDC because everybody is assuming that its going to be a hot show.
The competition is absolutely ready to debut their mobile products on or before June 8th to coincide with what everyone thinks will be the debut day for new Apple mobile products.
It will interesting to see if Apple will have a boring WWDC and they let the competition truly catch up and possible take a small lead.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
There have been several suggestions / rumors that a more unified (minimal) 'look' will be implemented with the release of SL. There are many tweaks that posters have been pining for for a long time. personally I'd like to see a better implemented finder.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
There are many reasons for Apple to make changes to the UI.
• They said no features but then went on to describe features.
• GC and OpenC are features, just not easily marketed features for re average person. Probably why they gave GC a cool marketing name.
• A UI change isn't much of a feature, it just a new skin. Something that Apple's marketing wizards will say is beeded to give proper cause for buying the new OS. People by and large like new shiny objects.
• There are rumours of a UI change called Marble.
• There has been so little change to the UI, despite changes in other places, that it would seem they are waiting until WWDC to woo us.
• MS has a much nicer looking, stable, and resource friendly OS--though not faster, surprisingly--coming out this year so it would stad to reason that Apple will not ship the same UI they have been using for 2 years on Leopard.
Many of us on this forum are excited about these under-the-hood changes, but we aren't exacly the norm.
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
same story as windows
you can make a lot of changes under the hood but if the UI looks the same everyone asks what is different and why should they buy this. but if you make a few UI changes and nothing under the hood except marketing speak everyone will love the new OS
Why is everybody so excited about UI changes ? What makes you think there would be any ?
Apple has always said there would be no new features but under the hood improvements and there is already a lot to get me excited about.
Uh, because Apple did the same thing when they released Leopard, which originally looked no different from Tiger, to developers. They said new features were coming, but only unveiled the UI when it was near completion.
In reality, there are new features coming in Snow Leopard, they're just under the hood. Apple knows the average computer user isn't going to appreciate such technical matters, only the resulting performance boost, thus the "no new features" wordage.
It's obvious Apple is moving away from Aqua and every release of Mac OS X has seen UI changes, however subtle they may be. Do you honestly think nothing will be tweaked at all?
I'm guessing in addition to the death of Aqua, we'll see influences from iTunes 8, Safari 4, and especially, the iPhone.
For instance, take Mac OS X's Menu Bar, which has remained largely unchanged since its introduction a decade ago. Now, how often do you miss it on the iPhone? What if they replace it with something more visual, like a universal button bar similar to the iWork apps? I find I rarely use the Menu Bar in Pages and Keynote because there are icons and pallet windows for most tasks, which are far more intuitive than mousing over the Menu Bar's text-heavy drop down lists.
Replacing the Menu Bar alone would be a significant change that wouldn't necessarily qualify as a "feature."
Steve is more fun to watch than schiller, but i prefer schiller - no reality distortion field.
Naahhhh... Schiller is nowhere near the showman Steve was (is?)... Much, much prefer Jobs' presentations. He is a living legend in modern business (and not just because he says so).
I think he'll be there, but what I don't know is if Apple will be able to keep it under wraps until he steps out on stage, or at least until that morning. It would be good free publicity to have Jobs take the stage to introduce the new iPhone, which is Apple's number one cash cow.
Only if his physical appearance has improved. If he still looks gaunt and weary, he's better off staying away.
Unfortunately for him, Steve Jobs cannot recover his health overnight or over a 6 month period. His condition is too serious for that.
I'm not a real doctor, but I do play one on the internet. Based on my inability to examine Steve or his medical records, and my complete lack of any medical knowledge, I can report that his condition is stable and improving, but may get rapidly worse or better in the immediate or distant future. He is expected to die, at some point over the next 50 years. He should take two aspirins and not call me in the morning.
Marble ?