I will give you the bottom line. I've been using the final build of SL for some time and Photoshop CS3 totally blows chunks with it. Things like opening with differing color profiles, save for web, etc... the list goes on. I put on CS4 and all is well. Don't upgrade to SL unless you are ready to go right to CS4. No kidding.
I guess the question is, if it's that crucial to you for the tools to be compatible why would you not either wait until all the issues with the new OS are wrung out, save up some money for new tools, or just keep using leopard?
Of course it's crucial that the tools are compatible. We always try to stay up with the latest software in our office particularly from Apple. Sometimes however, especially with Adobe, their latest and greatest is not always worth the steep price for upgrade. I want to keep up with Apple releases but can't justify the cost's incurred with half-baked third party upgrades. ie CS4. In my opinion Adobe should spend less time redoing the UI and half baked tools and concentrate on faster, less buggy software, get back to their Mac base and go 64 bit asap.
I guess the question is, if it's that crucial to you for the tools to be compatible why would you not either wait until all the issues with the new OS are wrung out, save up some money for new tools, or just keep using leopard?
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
Thank You, could not have said it better myself. Adobe really does irk me though.
what is the difference between incompatable and wont open in the software?
I have parallels 3.0, and am deeply curious whether I will need to spend X$$ for an upgrade, and time reinstalling my windows partitions just to do the SL upgrade...
what does this mean?
Incompatible means "don't use it, it won't work (and probably never will)"
Won't/don't open means "manufacturer hasn't updated it to work with Snow Leopard yet and we've tested it and found some problems that indicate you probably shouldn't be running it."
So items in the second category *might* end up working with Snow Leopard, or *might* work now, but they also might not. It's seriously lame of Parallels to let their software be in that second category at all. I bet they fix it, but I always advise folks to use Fusion and not Parallels. Despite all the wonderful reviews on the web saying the two products are nearly equivalent, when you go to use them you see how much more stable and better designed Fusion is.
Thanks for the advice but I've never been to keen on stealing software. That said, If I was going to do it I'd steal from Adobe they don't seem to have much problem stealing from their base.
I hear you can get free food at the deli down at the corner from your place, too, if you grab it and run real fast, might have to knock down the proprietor on the way out. but hey. Free CDs at Best Buy! Clothes at the Gap--just put them on under your clothes in the dressing room, and walk out. Opportunities abound.
Thank You, could not have said it better myself. Adobe really does irk me though.
Oh I agree, Adobe is a pain in my side. However until the market develops a competitor and customers start using them, there is not much else we can do. We've already canned Quark that resulted in some customer loss. But we saved money not having to support two expensive vendors.
Anything in the list will become incompatible. Now that your parallels doesn't work perhaps it will be a good time to erase that windows partition forever and never again use windows. Trust me, you will be a happier person as a result.
That's easy to say, but not always possible. I know it's hard to believe but there are still software vendors who who create Windows-only products that are necessary for some of us to do our jobs ;-)
What sucks is being forced to upgrade perfectly capable software, in this case Parallels 3 and CS3. Of course, Leopard is perfectly capable software as well, so count me out... for now.
Because otherwise it was a really imbecile response on a sensitive subject for design and print shops that are forced to pay thousands of extra dollars for the tools they need because of people who pirate software.
Nope. They jack up prices and when you guys complain they blame it on pirates.
You can install it on a newly partitioned hard drive with no other dvds needed. You can even wipe tiger off and wap snow leopard straight on for $29
Where did you hear that?
From Amazon: "Upgrade Path Alert for Snow Leopard
Please note, that only Apple OS X Leopard users are eligible for the Snow Leopard upgrade. Tiger & earlier OS users will need to purchase either versions of the upgraded Mac Box Set."
That's easy to say, but not always possible. I know it's hard to believe but there are still software vendors who who create Windows-only products that are necessary for some of us to do our jobs ;-)
I work for a research firm who loves macs but is forced to use windows for certain applications such as data acquisition and CAD. Well, what we do is we buy POS windows machines and load them with those applications and only handle them with gloves and face masks to avoid bodily contamination if you know what I mean.
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
Edit -- When I say you I meant anyone in the upgrade path, not specifically you.
I wasn't suggesting that you get a pirate version of the software, at all. I guess, my point was, if you've been running with CS3, then CS4 didn't offer any improvements on file format or compatibility front that you needed to continue to do business. What I meant by wait is that CS3 apparently works with SL, so why not wait until others report on it. Considering you are making money with those machines it just seems to me that it's a wise move to wait to upgrade rather than jumping on the first adopter program.
You and I are on the same boat. I know PS CS3 worked OK. I was hoping all CS3 apps will work OK under SL. I'm not too happy about Adobe not testing CS3 even people bought it over a year ago.
CS4 isn't worth to upgrade either.
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Originally Posted by planetrocke
I will give you the bottom line. I've been using the final build of SL for some time and Photoshop CS3 totally blows chunks with it. Things like opening with differing color profiles, save for web, etc... the list goes on. I put on CS4 and all is well. Don't upgrade to SL unless you are ready to go right to CS4. No kidding.
I don't use the software, but yesterday I read that Adobe had clarified their previous statements. They did test CS3 with Snow Leopard, and it worked. But they just weren't official supporting it anymore. However, there's some confusion as to whether they were only talking about PS, or the whole suite.
Sorry, I can't recall where I read that. But hopefully the situation will become clearer in the next few weeks. I'm assuming you are waiting at least that long anyway for initial reports on SL before installing it on any production machines, right?
Oh I agree, Adobe is a pain in my side. However until the market develops a competitor and customers start using them, there is not much else we can do. We've already canned Quark that resulted in some customer loss. But we saved money not having to support two expensive vendors.
Agreed. I always preferred Illustrator to Freehand (lots of debate over this rivalry) but I miss the competition Macromedia brought to Adobe. They are now free to bend us over whenever they want.
Because otherwise it was a really imbecile response on a sensitive subject for design and print shops that are forced to pay thousands of extra dollars for the tools they need because of people who pirate software.
Do you seriously believe that? The prices are what they are not because of piracy, but because design and print shops need the software and are willing and able to pay that price. Individuals pirating this software are not forcing the prices up; they would never have the means to purchase it anyway.
Please note, that only Apple OS X Leopard users are eligible for the Snow Leopard upgrade. Tiger & earlier OS users will need to purchase either versions of the upgraded Mac Box Set."
While apple doesn't want tiger users to get the $29 leopard upgrade there is nothing physical on the discs stopping you from doing it.
You will be in violation of the EULA but it is possible.
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I will give you the bottom line. I've been using the final build of SL for some time and Photoshop CS3 totally blows chunks with it. Things like opening with differing color profiles, save for web, etc... the list goes on. I put on CS4 and all is well. Don't upgrade to SL unless you are ready to go right to CS4. No kidding.
Are you using the 64-bit or the 32-bit kernel?
I guess the question is, if it's that crucial to you for the tools to be compatible why would you not either wait until all the issues with the new OS are wrung out, save up some money for new tools, or just keep using leopard?
Of course it's crucial that the tools are compatible. We always try to stay up with the latest software in our office particularly from Apple. Sometimes however, especially with Adobe, their latest and greatest is not always worth the steep price for upgrade. I want to keep up with Apple releases but can't justify the cost's incurred with half-baked third party upgrades. ie CS4. In my opinion Adobe should spend less time redoing the UI and half baked tools and concentrate on faster, less buggy software, get back to their Mac base and go 64 bit asap.
I guess the question is, if it's that crucial to you for the tools to be compatible why would you not either wait until all the issues with the new OS are wrung out, save up some money for new tools, or just keep using leopard?
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
Thank You, could not have said it better myself. Adobe really does irk me though.
what is the difference between incompatable and wont open in the software?
I have parallels 3.0, and am deeply curious whether I will need to spend X$$ for an upgrade, and time reinstalling my windows partitions just to do the SL upgrade...
what does this mean?
Incompatible means "don't use it, it won't work (and probably never will)"
Won't/don't open means "manufacturer hasn't updated it to work with Snow Leopard yet and we've tested it and found some problems that indicate you probably shouldn't be running it."
So items in the second category *might* end up working with Snow Leopard, or *might* work now, but they also might not. It's seriously lame of Parallels to let their software be in that second category at all. I bet they fix it, but I always advise folks to use Fusion and not Parallels. Despite all the wonderful reviews on the web saying the two products are nearly equivalent, when you go to use them you see how much more stable and better designed Fusion is.
Thanks for the advice but I've never been to keen on stealing software. That said, If I was going to do it I'd steal from Adobe they don't seem to have much problem stealing from their base.
CS4 Photoshop is from Adobe. So there! Go get it!
Just get CS4. This website has it for free:
thepiratebay.org
I hear you can get free food at the deli down at the corner from your place, too, if you grab it and run real fast, might have to knock down the proprietor on the way out. but hey. Free CDs at Best Buy! Clothes at the Gap--just put them on under your clothes in the dressing room, and walk out. Opportunities abound.
Thank You, could not have said it better myself. Adobe really does irk me though.
Oh I agree, Adobe is a pain in my side. However until the market develops a competitor and customers start using them, there is not much else we can do. We've already canned Quark that resulted in some customer loss. But we saved money not having to support two expensive vendors.
Anything in the list will become incompatible. Now that your parallels doesn't work perhaps it will be a good time to erase that windows partition forever and never again use windows. Trust me, you will be a happier person as a result.
That's easy to say, but not always possible. I know it's hard to believe but there are still software vendors who who create Windows-only products that are necessary for some of us to do our jobs ;-)
What sucks is being forced to upgrade perfectly capable software, in this case Parallels 3 and CS3. Of course, Leopard is perfectly capable software as well, so count me out... for now.
Hopefully that was meant as a joke.
Because otherwise it was a really imbecile response on a sensitive subject for design and print shops that are forced to pay thousands of extra dollars for the tools they need because of people who pirate software.
Nope. They jack up prices and when you guys complain they blame it on pirates.
A more comprehensive unofficial compatibility list is here
The Boinc client is listed as an unknown with SL.
Does anyone here know how Boinc runs under SL?
You can install it on a newly partitioned hard drive with no other dvds needed. You can even wipe tiger off and wap snow leopard straight on for $29
Where did you hear that?
From Amazon: "Upgrade Path Alert for Snow Leopard
Please note, that only Apple OS X Leopard users are eligible for the Snow Leopard upgrade. Tiger & earlier OS users will need to purchase either versions of the upgraded Mac Box Set."
That's easy to say, but not always possible. I know it's hard to believe but there are still software vendors who who create Windows-only products that are necessary for some of us to do our jobs ;-)
I work for a research firm who loves macs but is forced to use windows for certain applications such as data acquisition and CAD. Well, what we do is we buy POS windows machines and load them with those applications and only handle them with gloves and face masks to avoid bodily contamination if you know what I mean.
Then we go back to our macs and be happy.
We did pony up for CS4 so we don't fall into that camp. We also follow good IT practices and don't upgrade our machines until we've had a chance to do extensive testing. Clearly you know nothing about business, because businesses don't "save up" for new tools, it's a capital expense that must be supported by equivalent profit - especially when your dealing with a corporate overlord and a down economy.
As a print shop, we have to stay up to date with our tools so that we can continue to accept the latest file formats/features of documents that customers provide. It won't help us get business if we tell customers that we can't accept their files because we don't want to pay the piper. So when we have to pay more for our tools because of pirating, it not only hurts our profits, but also our employees who eventually are the ones who feel the pinch.
Edit -- When I say you I meant anyone in the upgrade path, not specifically you.
I wasn't suggesting that you get a pirate version of the software, at all. I guess, my point was, if you've been running with CS3, then CS4 didn't offer any improvements on file format or compatibility front that you needed to continue to do business. What I meant by wait is that CS3 apparently works with SL, so why not wait until others report on it. Considering you are making money with those machines it just seems to me that it's a wise move to wait to upgrade rather than jumping on the first adopter program.
You and I are on the same boat. I know PS CS3 worked OK. I was hoping all CS3 apps will work OK under SL. I'm not too happy about Adobe not testing CS3 even people bought it over a year ago.
CS4 isn't worth to upgrade either.
I will give you the bottom line. I've been using the final build of SL for some time and Photoshop CS3 totally blows chunks with it. Things like opening with differing color profiles, save for web, etc... the list goes on. I put on CS4 and all is well. Don't upgrade to SL unless you are ready to go right to CS4. No kidding.
I don't use the software, but yesterday I read that Adobe had clarified their previous statements. They did test CS3 with Snow Leopard, and it worked. But they just weren't official supporting it anymore. However, there's some confusion as to whether they were only talking about PS, or the whole suite.
Sorry, I can't recall where I read that. But hopefully the situation will become clearer in the next few weeks. I'm assuming you are waiting at least that long anyway for initial reports on SL before installing it on any production machines, right?
Incompatible software list for SL:
Microsoft Office 2008
YES!!!!
One user reports that "every app is terribly slow to start and lags afterwards. Its unacceptably slow!" (supposedly much better with SP1)
Wait a minute. Word 2008 is "terribly slow" and laggy even in Leopard or Tiger...
Oh I agree, Adobe is a pain in my side. However until the market develops a competitor and customers start using them, there is not much else we can do. We've already canned Quark that resulted in some customer loss. But we saved money not having to support two expensive vendors.
Agreed. I always preferred Illustrator to Freehand (lots of debate over this rivalry) but I miss the competition Macromedia brought to Adobe. They are now free to bend us over whenever they want.
Hopefully that was meant as a joke.
Because otherwise it was a really imbecile response on a sensitive subject for design and print shops that are forced to pay thousands of extra dollars for the tools they need because of people who pirate software.
Do you seriously believe that? The prices are what they are not because of piracy, but because design and print shops need the software and are willing and able to pay that price. Individuals pirating this software are not forcing the prices up; they would never have the means to purchase it anyway.
The list of incompatible software are software you shouldn't have installed in your mac anyways.
Surprisingly, MS Word for Mac does work in SL even thought it didn't work in Leopard.
Word has always worked fine for me in leopard.
Where did you hear that?
From Amazon: "Upgrade Path Alert for Snow Leopard
Please note, that only Apple OS X Leopard users are eligible for the Snow Leopard upgrade. Tiger & earlier OS users will need to purchase either versions of the upgraded Mac Box Set."
While apple doesn't want tiger users to get the $29 leopard upgrade there is nothing physical on the discs stopping you from doing it.
You will be in violation of the EULA but it is possible.