How do Palm think this is going to end? Apple probably have legal agreements with their content providers as to the allowable syncing. If they can't stop them technically, they will have no choice but to sue. No choice because of their existing agreements.
i don't think that's likely the case, as you can sync with your itunes library if you use the xml file for your own software.
Apple should have some code that detects the presence of a genuine Apple product over and beyond the USB check.
I will resist the temptation to suggest that then upon finding it isn't attached to a genuine Apple product it does naughty things. Nooo i would never suggest that.
i think that would also prevent all old ipods from working with itunes.
However, I also love my Palm Pre. Why does Apple feel they have to keep other excellent devices from working with their ecosystem? That just plain limits choice and hurts competition and ultimately customer experience.
...
"No, no we can't let people access their paid for, DRM free music via the playlists and software they are used to. We don't want to sell them any songs or anything."
...
[Apple is] willing to lose the revenue for content that 800,000+ and increasing Palm Pre users would spend on iTunes because Stevie boy is pissed at John Rubinstein for joining Palm and Ed Collagen for turning down the "no hire" pact and hiring Apple employees.
Apple doesn't make money from selling content, Apple's profit comes from it's hardware sales. Apple develops software and sells digital content only to make their hardware more attractive to consumers, that's been their business model for a long time. Most profits made from software or digital content revenue is, for the most part, spent on keeping that infrastructure going.
Why would Apple open up their iTunes store to other hardware devices?? There's no (or very little) profit in it for them! But then they would be responsible to support other hardware manufacturer's devices!!
EDIT: And by the way..calling the Pre a "dud" or "failure" is pretty dumb. Does it measure up to the incredible success of the iPhone? Of course not. No recent product has. However I'm sure most (if not all) of the people here can agree that if there was no iPhone, the Pre is the next best thing. I'd hardly call that a failure.
Actually, if we have to believe the numbers from the various media outlets, sales of the Palm Pre are anemic at best. As an investor, I would call that a failure.
It's still an appalling over-reaction that marks you as both a meaner and more inhuman person than the burglar is likely to be.
Personally, I like to think I'm better than the average burglar, not worse.
Let me guess? You're American?
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can.
For the record, I believe Palm means Apple and its family of customers no good and should be permanently put out of our misery.
palm is clearly in violation of their usb license, but i don't think there is much the usb board can do about it.
I'm not sure the USB-IF needs to do anything but declare Palm to be in violation of their agreement.
That might be enough to prevent the Pre from being advertised as supporting USB. A recall and destruction of product packaging and advertising literature that declares the Pre as supporting USB might also be necessary. If Palm continued to advertise the Pre as having USB, a charge of false advertising might be brought against the company, which is where Apple could get involved directly or maybe even indirectly (and quietly) by funding legal action by the USB-IF.
Depending on the terms of the USB agreement, a flagrant violation might even prevent Palm's advertising any device they manufacture as being USB.
My vivid imagination suggests the USB agreement might further prevent component manufacturers from selling "USB" components to any manufacturer that is deemed to be in violation of the agreement. Hopefully for Palm's sake, they've figured these things out, though.
You can protect your home and family anyway you like. But if someone breaks into my house, I'm going to shoot the bastard.
I heard a talk radio show host describe how, if he'd captured a burglar at gunpoint, he'd force him to sit on the floor and he'd watch him cry and plead and maybe pee himself--and then he'd shoot him. I'm not saying that applies to you, Mac Voyer, but it said a lot about the radio host, and it IS another way of saying what you said, without maybe the intervening cruelty.
Once we're past the point we agree on--the use of force to protect yourself and your family--Is your purpose to prevent someone from stealing your Mac, and to hold him until the police get there? Is it to summarily convict and execute? What if it's the teenager from next door? A drunk? A drunk who's gone to the wrong house? Or just a stupid young punk? Where do you draw the line? And how do you live with the lines you draw? Having someone break in is gonna get the testosterone flowing in all of us, no doubt. But the decisions you make now about what you'd do, might be the ones you make without further thought in the actual event. We don't care if the burglar ends up in jail; but we don't need to lose a forum buddy for making a decision he comes to regret. I'm just sayin'...
I dont see why you guys are being such a** holes, especially apple! dont get me wrong i love apple currently have a imac g4 24 inch (intel based),I 16gig iphone 3G, mac mini and a hackintosh. I dont see why apple wont let the palm pre sync with them if its not even harmful to them in any way. They (apple) should be encouraging to be able to sync with other 3rd party devices, it would only expand itunes in such a great way. I have a palm pre also and its actually a great phone especially the service unlike my 3G that cuts off in downtown dallas TX. I should have the right to choose what music program i want to use with any device not just ipods Etc. Apple needs to get its ego out of the way and grow up for a second. seriously. There company can only grow oh so much before it has to finally expand its horizons. and for this reason is why they suck.
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can. ...
Well America is a bit more barbaric than other countries, but I think you are just being way over the top with the exaggerations here, (and just to win a petty argument with a stranger!).
For the record, I live in a drug and crime-infested area on the "bad side" of town and have lived here all my life except for when I was a kid in which case I lived in a worse area in an adjacent town. On the other hand it is Canada, so the specific volume of crime is about one tenth that of the USA. Guns are rarer here but all the serious gangs carry them and shoot each other up on a regular basis. Again, no one can match the sheer volume of weapons available to criminals in the USA, but people are pretty much the same everywhere in my experience.
Most burglars take the time to figure out when you aren't going to be home before they break in. Even in the USA, most burglars are also not killers, and most will run away when confronted, but actually confronting a burglar in your home is a really, really dumb thing to do. The oft-quoted standard movie situation where one wakes up in the middle of the night and hears someone "in the house" is exceedingly rare but even when confronted with that situation, the smart thing to do is reach for the phone, not a gun.
My point was that responding to someone stealing from you, by purposely blowing them away just so you can feel like a man, is cowardly, stupid and "over-the-top" reaction-wise.
The motivations of the average burglar are related to either poverty or drug addiction. Either way, that makes the burglar more moral than you, who apparently wants the pleasure of murdering someone simply because they "took your stuff."
Stuff is stuff. You can always get more (or similar), you can't take it with you anyway, and it's all ultimately worthless.
A life on the other hand is irreplaceable and short enough to begin with.
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can.
For the record, I believe Palm means Apple and its family of customers no good and should be permanently put out of our misery.
I am with you I can't imagine not protecting loved ones and my household.
Actually, if we have to believe the numbers from the various media outlets, sales of the Palm Pre are anemic at best. As an investor, I would call that a failure.
iPhone sales were pretty anemic too until it went global. Let's wait until the Pre is on sale in Europe and Asia before we judge it and WebOS in general. Not that I have much confidence in Palm's ability to sell outside of North America...
It's still an appalling over-reaction that marks you as both a meaner and more inhuman person than the burglar is likely to be.
Personally, I like to think I'm better than the average burglar, not worse.
Let me guess? You're American?
I don't believe it is over reacting. When it boils down to it, The REAL world is not exactly playing nice and does not always play by the rules. When someone has broken into my home I am not about to ask him to leave. I will TELL him to leave and I will have a baseball bat or a gun at my side for the ready.
... The oft-quoted standard movie situation where one wakes up in the middle of the night and hears someone "in the house" is exceedingly rare but even when confronted with that situation, the smart thing to do is reach for the phone, not a gun...
Gazoobee, i'm on YOUR side of this OT tangent, but if i woke up in my house and heard a burglar, and if i had a gun, I'd reach for the gun and my iPhone* in that order. If the burglar got to me before the police responded, and if I felt i needed to to protect myself or my family, I'd shoot in self defense. I don't think any of us can know exactly how we'd feel in such situations, but i think i'd feel some regret, and that my moral code would then enable me to cope with that fairly easily.
It wouldn't allow me to cope with shooting someone i'd apprehended and was holding at gunpoint waiting for the police. I'd have no eagerness to shoot; sadly i sometimes sense that in others. It's almost as though they're hoping for it, so they can achieve some kind of ill-thought-out rite of passage.
There's no doubt we're influenced by books and movies and our nation's history (I'm also in U.S.) and that sometimes we resort to behavior we admired in the abstract on the part of Charles Bronson and the Dirty Harry movies et al. We're better off if we think that through a little more...
.. When someone has broken into my home I am not about to ask him to leave. I will TELL him to leave and I will have a baseball bat or a gun at my side for the ready.
I have no problem at all with your point of view (other than the username "masstrkiller"--I'm hoping you're a gamer! ).
For the record, I've been on the barrel-end of a handgun before. NOT as a burglar, but as a carjack victim. I was at gunpoint for maybe 15 minutes before a policeman got suspicious, followed us, stopped us, and arguably saved my life. I've thought about that night many times, and i don't think if I'd had a gun in the car it would have made the situation better, unless I had it in my hand as i drove along, and as I stopped at the light where they got me. I wasn't afraid enough to be doing that before my incident, and I didn't let it make me afraid of the world after it--just cautious. I pick up far fewer hitchhikers than i did when I was young (this incident happened before the first Apple computer*), but I'll still occasionally give a stranger a ride; I lock the doors at my house but i still answer the door. I keep a bat in my bedrooms in case I hear an intruder, but I haven't made the call yet to get a handgun. Everyone's experience and judgements will be different.
I keep a bat in my bedrooms in case I hear an intruder, but I haven't made the call yet to get a handgun. Everyone's experience and judgements will be different.
I presume you keep that bat handy for the purpose of doing extreme violence when it is required. It matters not whether you use a gun or a Louisville slugger. I assure you, if a crackhead breaks into your house while you and yours are having visions of sugarplums dancing in your heads, you are in imminent danger. I have read about and seen too many beautiful funerals of people who died at the hands of someone who, ostensibly, only stopped by to take the stereo.
Palm is playing the roll of a burglar in this little drama. (It's a metaphor, people.) Some are saying that Apple should do nothing while this small time thief eats away at the iPhone ecosystem a little at a time. That is INSANE! Don't like the burglar metaphor? Palm is a fly that must be swatted... to death. Perhaps if they opened up Palm Desktop, they would look a bit less hypocritical. For now, they are no better than Psystar and should be treated to the same bad death.
I presume you keep that bat handy for the purpose of doing extreme violence when it is required. ...
Damn straight. But if I knock the guy out, i'm not gonna proceed to beat him to death. That seemed to be the tenor of the post that started this dialogue.
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I have read about and seen too many beautiful funerals of people who died at the hands of someone who, ostensibly, only stopped by to take the stereo.
Understood. And my high school buddy's dad got his gun when they were victims of a home invasion, but shot his son--my buddy's brother, and not one of the perps. That's a lot to have to live with. Maybe they'd all have survived if he hadn't gotten the gun; maybe they all would have died. Of course, our clarity is worst when we're suddenly awakened, and our conscious perceptions might even be influenced by what we've been dreaming. What if the intruder's our kid, maybe even dressed in a mask because halloween's three weeks away and kids just...do what kids do? I'll not revisit all the arguments for/against a handgun in the phone, I just haven't made up MY mind yet.
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Originally Posted by Mac Voyer
Palm is playing the roll of a burglar in this little drama. (It's a metaphor, people.)
LOL. Well done!
For the obligatory Apple-related content: the "MacBurglar" is a fast-food character, isn't he? Does that keep this post on-topic?
Seriously, on syncing, i struggled for so many years to sync Now-Up-To-Date and other app content to my macs, it's a gift today to have Mail and AB and the rest sync so nicely. If only I could get my iPhone address book to sync with the contact list on my car's bluetooth phone system. Does anyone know any make/model of car that makes that easily do-able? Do-able at all?
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Thanks, I was hoping someone else would suggest it
How about Apple replaces all the music with Kenny G so the owner destroys their own Palm.
i think the UN would involve the human rights commission right away...
How do Palm think this is going to end? Apple probably have legal agreements with their content providers as to the allowable syncing. If they can't stop them technically, they will have no choice but to sue. No choice because of their existing agreements.
i don't think that's likely the case, as you can sync with your itunes library if you use the xml file for your own software.
It's still an appalling over-reaction that marks you as both a meaner and more inhuman person than the burglar is likely to be.
Personally, I like to think I'm better than the average burglar, not worse.
Let me guess? You're American?
sounds klingon to me...
Apple should have some code that detects the presence of a genuine Apple product over and beyond the USB check.
I will resist the temptation to suggest that then upon finding it isn't attached to a genuine Apple product it does naughty things. Nooo i would never suggest that.
i think that would also prevent all old ipods from working with itunes.
However, I also love my Palm Pre. Why does Apple feel they have to keep other excellent devices from working with their ecosystem? That just plain limits choice and hurts competition and ultimately customer experience.
...
"No, no we can't let people access their paid for, DRM free music via the playlists and software they are used to. We don't want to sell them any songs or anything."
...
[Apple is] willing to lose the revenue for content that 800,000+ and increasing Palm Pre users would spend on iTunes because Stevie boy is pissed at John Rubinstein for joining Palm and Ed Collagen for turning down the "no hire" pact and hiring Apple employees.
Apple doesn't make money from selling content, Apple's profit comes from it's hardware sales. Apple develops software and sells digital content only to make their hardware more attractive to consumers, that's been their business model for a long time. Most profits made from software or digital content revenue is, for the most part, spent on keeping that infrastructure going.
Why would Apple open up their iTunes store to other hardware devices?? There's no (or very little) profit in it for them! But then they would be responsible to support other hardware manufacturer's devices!!
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_implies.html
EDIT: And by the way..calling the Pre a "dud" or "failure" is pretty dumb. Does it measure up to the incredible success of the iPhone? Of course not. No recent product has. However I'm sure most (if not all) of the people here can agree that if there was no iPhone, the Pre is the next best thing. I'd hardly call that a failure.
Actually, if we have to believe the numbers from the various media outlets, sales of the Palm Pre are anemic at best. As an investor, I would call that a failure.
It's still an appalling over-reaction that marks you as both a meaner and more inhuman person than the burglar is likely to be.
Personally, I like to think I'm better than the average burglar, not worse.
Let me guess? You're American?
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can.
For the record, I believe Palm means Apple and its family of customers no good and should be permanently put out of our misery.
palm is clearly in violation of their usb license, but i don't think there is much the usb board can do about it.
I'm not sure the USB-IF needs to do anything but declare Palm to be in violation of their agreement.
That might be enough to prevent the Pre from being advertised as supporting USB. A recall and destruction of product packaging and advertising literature that declares the Pre as supporting USB might also be necessary. If Palm continued to advertise the Pre as having USB, a charge of false advertising might be brought against the company, which is where Apple could get involved directly or maybe even indirectly (and quietly) by funding legal action by the USB-IF.
Depending on the terms of the USB agreement, a flagrant violation might even prevent Palm's advertising any device they manufacture as being USB.
My vivid imagination suggests the USB agreement might further prevent component manufacturers from selling "USB" components to any manufacturer that is deemed to be in violation of the agreement. Hopefully for Palm's sake, they've figured these things out, though.
...
Let me guess? You're American?
No ... Republican.
You can protect your home and family anyway you like. But if someone breaks into my house, I'm going to shoot the bastard.
I heard a talk radio show host describe how, if he'd captured a burglar at gunpoint, he'd force him to sit on the floor and he'd watch him cry and plead and maybe pee himself--and then he'd shoot him. I'm not saying that applies to you, Mac Voyer, but it said a lot about the radio host, and it IS another way of saying what you said, without maybe the intervening cruelty.
Once we're past the point we agree on--the use of force to protect yourself and your family--Is your purpose to prevent someone from stealing your Mac, and to hold him until the police get there? Is it to summarily convict and execute? What if it's the teenager from next door? A drunk? A drunk who's gone to the wrong house? Or just a stupid young punk? Where do you draw the line? And how do you live with the lines you draw? Having someone break in is gonna get the testosterone flowing in all of us, no doubt. But the decisions you make now about what you'd do, might be the ones you make without further thought in the actual event. We don't care if the burglar ends up in jail; but we don't need to lose a forum buddy for making a decision he comes to regret. I'm just sayin'...
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can. ...
Well America is a bit more barbaric than other countries, but I think you are just being way over the top with the exaggerations here, (and just to win a petty argument with a stranger!).
For the record, I live in a drug and crime-infested area on the "bad side" of town and have lived here all my life except for when I was a kid in which case I lived in a worse area in an adjacent town. On the other hand it is Canada, so the specific volume of crime is about one tenth that of the USA. Guns are rarer here but all the serious gangs carry them and shoot each other up on a regular basis. Again, no one can match the sheer volume of weapons available to criminals in the USA, but people are pretty much the same everywhere in my experience.
Most burglars take the time to figure out when you aren't going to be home before they break in. Even in the USA, most burglars are also not killers, and most will run away when confronted, but actually confronting a burglar in your home is a really, really dumb thing to do. The oft-quoted standard movie situation where one wakes up in the middle of the night and hears someone "in the house" is exceedingly rare but even when confronted with that situation, the smart thing to do is reach for the phone, not a gun.
My point was that responding to someone stealing from you, by purposely blowing them away just so you can feel like a man, is cowardly, stupid and "over-the-top" reaction-wise.
The motivations of the average burglar are related to either poverty or drug addiction. Either way, that makes the burglar more moral than you, who apparently wants the pleasure of murdering someone simply because they "took your stuff."
Stuff is stuff. You can always get more (or similar), you can't take it with you anyway, and it's all ultimately worthless.
A life on the other hand is irreplaceable and short enough to begin with.
You must have a better class of burglar where you're from. Someone breaks into your house, you catch him in the act, and invite him to sit and have a cup of tea with you. After sharing family pictures, you work out a barter that is equitable for both parties. Here in America, catching a burglar in the act will most likely make you dead, and your family raped and killed. Where I live, you do not stop to ask if the burglar will be satisfied with just taking the Macbook, you best blow the mother fu**er into the next dimension while you still can.
For the record, I believe Palm means Apple and its family of customers no good and should be permanently put out of our misery.
I am with you
The REAL world is not as nice as people think.
Actually, if we have to believe the numbers from the various media outlets, sales of the Palm Pre are anemic at best. As an investor, I would call that a failure.
iPhone sales were pretty anemic too until it went global. Let's wait until the Pre is on sale in Europe and Asia before we judge it and WebOS in general. Not that I have much confidence in Palm's ability to sell outside of North America...
It's still an appalling over-reaction that marks you as both a meaner and more inhuman person than the burglar is likely to be.
Personally, I like to think I'm better than the average burglar, not worse.
Let me guess? You're American?
I don't believe it is over reacting. When it boils down to it, The REAL world is not exactly playing nice and does not always play by the rules. When someone has broken into my home I am not about to ask him to leave. I will TELL him to leave and I will have a baseball bat or a gun at my side for the ready.
... The oft-quoted standard movie situation where one wakes up in the middle of the night and hears someone "in the house" is exceedingly rare but even when confronted with that situation, the smart thing to do is reach for the phone, not a gun...
Gazoobee, i'm on YOUR side of this OT tangent, but if i woke up in my house and heard a burglar, and if i had a gun, I'd reach for the gun and my iPhone* in that order. If the burglar got to me before the police responded, and if I felt i needed to to protect myself or my family, I'd shoot in self defense. I don't think any of us can know exactly how we'd feel in such situations, but i think i'd feel some regret, and that my moral code would then enable me to cope with that fairly easily.
It wouldn't allow me to cope with shooting someone i'd apprehended and was holding at gunpoint waiting for the police. I'd have no eagerness to shoot; sadly i sometimes sense that in others. It's almost as though they're hoping for it, so they can achieve some kind of ill-thought-out rite of passage.
There's no doubt we're influenced by books and movies and our nation's history (I'm also in U.S.) and that sometimes we resort to behavior we admired in the abstract on the part of Charles Bronson and the Dirty Harry movies et al. We're better off if we think that through a little more...
.. When someone has broken into my home I am not about to ask him to leave. I will TELL him to leave and I will have a baseball bat or a gun at my side for the ready.
I have no problem at all with your point of view (other than the username "masstrkiller"--I'm hoping you're a gamer!
For the record, I've been on the barrel-end of a handgun before. NOT as a burglar, but as a carjack victim. I was at gunpoint for maybe 15 minutes before a policeman got suspicious, followed us, stopped us, and arguably saved my life. I've thought about that night many times, and i don't think if I'd had a gun in the car it would have made the situation better, unless I had it in my hand as i drove along, and as I stopped at the light where they got me. I wasn't afraid enough to be doing that before my incident, and I didn't let it make me afraid of the world after it--just cautious. I pick up far fewer hitchhikers than i did when I was young (this incident happened before the first Apple computer*), but I'll still occasionally give a stranger a ride; I lock the doors at my house but i still answer the door. I keep a bat in my bedrooms in case I hear an intruder, but I haven't made the call yet to get a handgun. Everyone's experience and judgements will be different.
I keep a bat in my bedrooms in case I hear an intruder, but I haven't made the call yet to get a handgun. Everyone's experience and judgements will be different.
I presume you keep that bat handy for the purpose of doing extreme violence when it is required. It matters not whether you use a gun or a Louisville slugger. I assure you, if a crackhead breaks into your house while you and yours are having visions of sugarplums dancing in your heads, you are in imminent danger. I have read about and seen too many beautiful funerals of people who died at the hands of someone who, ostensibly, only stopped by to take the stereo.
Palm is playing the roll of a burglar in this little drama. (It's a metaphor, people.) Some are saying that Apple should do nothing while this small time thief eats away at the iPhone ecosystem a little at a time. That is INSANE! Don't like the burglar metaphor? Palm is a fly that must be swatted... to death. Perhaps if they opened up Palm Desktop, they would look a bit less hypocritical. For now, they are no better than Psystar and should be treated to the same bad death.
You can protect your home and family anyway you like. But if someone breaks into my house, I'm going to shoot the bastard.
I presume you keep that bat handy for the purpose of doing extreme violence when it is required. ...
Damn straight. But if I knock the guy out, i'm not gonna proceed to beat him to death. That seemed to be the tenor of the post that started this dialogue.
I have read about and seen too many beautiful funerals of people who died at the hands of someone who, ostensibly, only stopped by to take the stereo.
Understood. And my high school buddy's dad got his gun when they were victims of a home invasion, but shot his son--my buddy's brother, and not one of the perps. That's a lot to have to live with. Maybe they'd all have survived if he hadn't gotten the gun; maybe they all would have died. Of course, our clarity is worst when we're suddenly awakened, and our conscious perceptions might even be influenced by what we've been dreaming. What if the intruder's our kid, maybe even dressed in a mask because halloween's three weeks away and kids just...do what kids do? I'll not revisit all the arguments for/against a handgun in the phone, I just haven't made up MY mind yet.
Palm is playing the roll of a burglar in this little drama. (It's a metaphor, people.)
LOL. Well done!
For the obligatory Apple-related content: the "MacBurglar" is a fast-food character, isn't he? Does that keep this post on-topic?
Seriously, on syncing, i struggled for so many years to sync Now-Up-To-Date and other app content to my macs, it's a gift today to have Mail and AB and the rest sync so nicely. If only I could get my iPhone address book to sync with the contact list on my car's bluetooth phone system. Does anyone know any make/model of car that makes that easily do-able? Do-able at all?