Do people want somewhat reliable service and data, or do you want tethering with the possibility of unreliable voice and data (like NYC has been suffering)? It's a pretty easy decision.
Everyone should cut ATT some slack and let them get it right. If it's that big a deal then get rid of your iPhone.
Outside of NYC, ATT service has been very good for me from DC to Boston.
Do people want somewhat reliable service and data, or do you want tethering with the possibility of unreliable voice and data (like NYC has been suffering)? It's a pretty easy decision.
Everyone should cut ATT some slack and let them get it right. If it's that big a deal then get rid of your iPhone.
Outside of NYC, ATT service has been very good for me from DC to Boston.
It's not just NYC. AT&T has turned the power down on all antenna's across the nation. The CS Rep actually admitted they did over the phone 3 weeks ago when I called because my wifes iPhone now has ZERO service at our house... We can see their antenna from our deck where she has, yep you guess it, no service. The rep said it was because of the electrical rate increases we have been getting since De-Regulation in Feb of 09'.
It's not just NYC. AT&T has turned the power down on all antenna's across the nation. The CS Rep actually admitted they did over the phone 3 weeks ago when I called because my wifes iPhone now has ZERO service at our house... We can see their antenna from our deck where she has, yep you guess it, no service. The rep said it was because of the electrical rate increases we have been getting since De-Regulation in Feb of 09'.
Well that's unfortunate, it really is. Regardless, it's another reason they aren't ready to enable tethering. There is only so much bandwidth, and it has to be prioritized.
I switched from Verizon in July and for the most part- not too bad. However, there are times in certain parts of Manhattan - especially the West Side where I only get the dreaded "E" symbol- and then you can forget data retrieval.
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
When tethered I've run Speedtest.org on a PB... Results:
Edge: 96kb/s down, 36kb/s up (little over dialup)
3G: 1200kb/s down, 544 kb (About equal to T1 on down, DSL on up)
3GS should be faster with it's rated 7.5mb/s Up/Down rate but it's only available in like 10 sq/miles of the country...
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
Yes. EVDO is also full duplex. Edge... Not sure but you can't EDGE data and talk at the same time, you can with EVDO.
No sweat. If you run into the issue that you can't enable tethering through "General"->"Network" power cycle the phone.
On a Mac once you connect you'll get the notice a new network connect is discovered, open Net Prefs, click Apply and your on. On windows it's plug-n-play.
On the mac you can share it with Airport by ICS in the drop down. No need to jailbreak or anything like that. Been working since early summer.
What excuse? And "keeping it real," by what measure do you contend that Verizon's network was any more ready for the iPhone than AT&T? Dropped calls and coverage is irrelevant, we're talking the ability to handle the unprecendented increased volume of data that the iPhone created.
While Verizon would have likely also struggled, prior to the iPhone, and since it's release, every independent survey or evaluation (such as Consumer Reports) has consistently ranked Verizon at or near the top and ATT at or near the bottom of the rankings. Verizon has consistently had a better network. So barring Verizon getting the iPhone, this is the best evidence available, and strongly suggests that Verizon's network would have handled the load better.
That said, in the last CR results earlier this year, ATT has moved up to the middle tier in several markets, closing the gap with Verizon. So they are improving their network. What we don't know is how Verizon would have reacted if they had gotten the exclusive contract for the iPhone instead of ATT. Their network would have struggled (but probably less so that ATT's has), but would they have made the investment to keep their network in shape to handle the ever increasing load from more and more iPhones? We will never know.
As for dropped calls being irrelevant...really? How is that acceptable? You pay more for the voice portion of your contract than you do for the data portion!
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Originally Posted by mrkenn
What dumba$$ exec decided VoIP was more important than tethering?!! Let me see- I have a phone that works perfectly well to say, I don;t know, TALK ON, WTH do I need VoIP? My laptop still doesn't work without it (well it does because I jailbroke it AND use the profile and haven't went to 3.1 yet, but you get the picture).
Hugely dumb move. Can't wait until Verizon finally gets it. Or maybe I'll start playing with Android.
I think the VoIP was just throwing a bone to appease us because of the tethering delay. How much bandwidth does VoIP use vs a voice call? They may be trying to free up voice bandwidth to improve call quality. I wonder what % of people would use VoIP enough to allow them to downgrade to a cheaper voice plan?
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Originally Posted by teckstud
First rule in marketing- Never promise something you can't deliver on.
Second rule of marketing - Be very vague about when you are going to actually deliver it. It buys you time while causing your potential customers to wait indefinitely for you instead of buying from your competitor. (Note: This is Microsofts #1 rule.)
AT&T blocked tethering, Slingshot, charges iPhone users for texting in their unlimited plan, and let's not forget the SMS fiasco, all because their 3G network might not handle the traffic.
Although their concern is legitimate, yet if they wanted to give less then they should charge less FGS!
While Verizon would have likely also struggled, prior to the iPhone, and since it's release, every independent survey or evaluation (such as Consumer Reports) has consistently ranked Verizon at or near the top and ATT at or near the bottom of the rankings. Verizon has consistently had a better network. So barring Verizon getting the iPhone, this is the best evidence available, and strongly suggests that Verizon's network would have handled the load better.
That said, in the last CR results earlier this year, ATT has moved up to the middle tier in several markets, closing the gap with Verizon. So they are improving their network. What we don't know is how Verizon would have reacted if they had gotten the exclusive contract for the iPhone instead of ATT. Their network would have struggled (but probably less so that ATT's has), but would they have made the investment to keep their network in shape to handle the ever increasing load from more and more iPhones? We will never know.
Thank you for that eloquent in-depth analysis that I at work can't undertake.
Visit that site on your iPhone. Follow the instructions. You'll be tethering in less than 2 mins.
EDIT: I have a copy of that profile, it's clean.
Do you know if they ever solved the problem with visual voicemail in the tethering hack? I tried the big hack back when it first came out and lost visual voicemail and notifications that I had voicemail altogether.
how long has this phone been out without tethering?
unbelievable.
well, i'm not upgrading my iphone firmware until they support it. I'm tethering with the profile hack. Not proud of it, but I need it. I will pay ATT when they support it.
Where they get these people in fantasyland? The real use of Tethering is when you are in the middle of nowhere, and even 3G might not be readily available. The priority is to get my laptop some bandwidth when I'm stuck in Edge country or worse gprs territory. I know the phones can do it, I've done it 15 years ago with a Motorola phone when stuck in a train nowhere in the middle of China for eight hours. Come on Apple, stop responding to these morons from ATT.. they don't know what they are doing.
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Everyone should cut ATT some slack and let them get it right. If it's that big a deal then get rid of your iPhone.
Outside of NYC, ATT service has been very good for me from DC to Boston.
Do Androids, Pres, and Crackberries get thethering?
Yep. And if your iPhone is on 3.0 or 3.0.1 you can too.
www.enabletethering.com
Yep. And if your iPhone is on 3.0 or 3.0.1 you can too.
www.enabletethering.com
Just not in the USA-
Do people want somewhat reliable service and data, or do you want tethering with the possibility of unreliable voice and data (like NYC has been suffering)? It's a pretty easy decision.
Everyone should cut ATT some slack and let them get it right. If it's that big a deal then get rid of your iPhone.
Outside of NYC, ATT service has been very good for me from DC to Boston.
It's not just NYC. AT&T has turned the power down on all antenna's across the nation. The CS Rep actually admitted they did over the phone 3 weeks ago when I called because my wifes iPhone now has ZERO service at our house... We can see their antenna from our deck where she has, yep you guess it, no service. The rep said it was because of the electrical rate increases we have been getting since De-Regulation in Feb of 09'.
just not in the usa-
yes in the usa!
Visit that site on your iPhone. Follow the instructions. You'll be tethering in less than 2 mins.
EDIT: I have a copy of that profile, it's clean.
It's not just NYC. AT&T has turned the power down on all antenna's across the nation. The CS Rep actually admitted they did over the phone 3 weeks ago when I called because my wifes iPhone now has ZERO service at our house... We can see their antenna from our deck where she has, yep you guess it, no service. The rep said it was because of the electrical rate increases we have been getting since De-Regulation in Feb of 09'.
Well that's unfortunate, it really is. Regardless, it's another reason they aren't ready to enable tethering. There is only so much bandwidth, and it has to be prioritized.
yes in the usa!
Visit that site on your iPhone. Follow the instructions. You'll be tethering in less than 2 mins.
EDIT: I have a copy of that profile, it's clean.
Kewel- thank you. I'll try it tonight
I switched from Verizon in July and for the most part- not too bad. However, there are times in certain parts of Manhattan - especially the West Side where I only get the dreaded "E" symbol- and then you can forget data retrieval.
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
When tethered I've run Speedtest.org on a PB... Results:
Edge: 96kb/s down, 36kb/s up (little over dialup)
3G: 1200kb/s down, 544 kb (About equal to T1 on down, DSL on up)
3GS should be faster with it's rated 7.5mb/s Up/Down rate but it's only available in like 10 sq/miles of the country...
Sorry to ask, but isn't the "3G" from AT&T and the "3G" from Verizon very different beasts. I think VW is using EV-D0 and AT&T is using HSPDA. Don't they have different data rates, etc?
Are they really equivalent? I thought that the AT&T 3G is like twice as fast (if you have coverage)?!?!
Yes. EVDO is also full duplex. Edge... Not sure but you can't EDGE data and talk at the same time, you can with EVDO.
First rule in marketing- Never promise something you can't deliver on.
Like 3ghz by next summer? JK...
Kewel- thank you. I'll try it tonight
No sweat. If you run into the issue that you can't enable tethering through "General"->"Network" power cycle the phone.
On a Mac once you connect you'll get the notice a new network connect is discovered, open Net Prefs, click Apply and your on. On windows it's plug-n-play.
On the mac you can share it with Airport by ICS in the drop down. No need to jailbreak or anything like that. Been working since early summer.
What excuse? And "keeping it real," by what measure do you contend that Verizon's network was any more ready for the iPhone than AT&T? Dropped calls and coverage is irrelevant, we're talking the ability to handle the unprecendented increased volume of data that the iPhone created.
While Verizon would have likely also struggled, prior to the iPhone, and since it's release, every independent survey or evaluation (such as Consumer Reports) has consistently ranked Verizon at or near the top and ATT at or near the bottom of the rankings. Verizon has consistently had a better network. So barring Verizon getting the iPhone, this is the best evidence available, and strongly suggests that Verizon's network would have handled the load better.
That said, in the last CR results earlier this year, ATT has moved up to the middle tier in several markets, closing the gap with Verizon. So they are improving their network. What we don't know is how Verizon would have reacted if they had gotten the exclusive contract for the iPhone instead of ATT. Their network would have struggled (but probably less so that ATT's has), but would they have made the investment to keep their network in shape to handle the ever increasing load from more and more iPhones? We will never know.
As for dropped calls being irrelevant...really? How is that acceptable? You pay more for the voice portion of your contract than you do for the data portion!
What dumba$$ exec decided VoIP was more important than tethering?!! Let me see- I have a phone that works perfectly well to say, I don;t know, TALK ON, WTH do I need VoIP? My laptop still doesn't work without it (well it does because I jailbroke it AND use the profile and haven't went to 3.1 yet, but you get the picture).
Hugely dumb move. Can't wait until Verizon finally gets it. Or maybe I'll start playing with Android.
I think the VoIP was just throwing a bone to appease us because of the tethering delay. How much bandwidth does VoIP use vs a voice call? They may be trying to free up voice bandwidth to improve call quality. I wonder what % of people would use VoIP enough to allow them to downgrade to a cheaper voice plan?
First rule in marketing- Never promise something you can't deliver on.
Second rule of marketing - Be very vague about when you are going to actually deliver it. It buys you time while causing your potential customers to wait indefinitely for you instead of buying from your competitor. (Note: This is Microsofts #1 rule.)
Although their concern is legitimate, yet if they wanted to give less then they should charge less FGS!
While Verizon would have likely also struggled, prior to the iPhone, and since it's release, every independent survey or evaluation (such as Consumer Reports) has consistently ranked Verizon at or near the top and ATT at or near the bottom of the rankings. Verizon has consistently had a better network. So barring Verizon getting the iPhone, this is the best evidence available, and strongly suggests that Verizon's network would have handled the load better.
That said, in the last CR results earlier this year, ATT has moved up to the middle tier in several markets, closing the gap with Verizon. So they are improving their network. What we don't know is how Verizon would have reacted if they had gotten the exclusive contract for the iPhone instead of ATT. Their network would have struggled (but probably less so that ATT's has), but would they have made the investment to keep their network in shape to handle the ever increasing load from more and more iPhones? We will never know.
Thank you for that eloquent in-depth analysis that I at work can't undertake.
yes in the usa!
Visit that site on your iPhone. Follow the instructions. You'll be tethering in less than 2 mins.
EDIT: I have a copy of that profile, it's clean.
Do you know if they ever solved the problem with visual voicemail in the tethering hack? I tried the big hack back when it first came out and lost visual voicemail and notifications that I had voicemail altogether.
--Dave
unbelievable.
well, i'm not upgrading my iphone firmware until they support it. I'm tethering with the profile hack. Not proud of it, but I need it. I will pay ATT when they support it.