Your wrong on this. In Europe and especially in the Netherlands 20Mb/s is the norm and very cheap per month ($30, and most of the time this includes unlimited calls). Several providers are offering 100Mb/s connections next year. (And as a side note, in Finland a 20Mb/s (or something) is required by law.)
So bandwidth isn't a problem at all, even for Blu-ray downloads.
In a SELECT FEW European cities, bandwidth isn't a problem.
Of course, at some point the bandwidth is shared, ultimately at the network level.
A 40mbps BluRay-quality stream is very hard to achieve in real life, even on a 100mbps internet connection.
Most people in the UK are on 2mbps to 20mbps. BluRay quality isn't achievable. iTunes 5mbps "HD" streams are possible, for those that are lucky to have that. Of course, at peak times there always seems to be less bandwidth available.
Sorry to let reality (and reality for the next few years) intrude upon your fantasy where BluRay quality streams are possible in the near future.
I'd rather pop the BluRay into the player and watch it on the big screen in my lounge. Not go upstairs to the PC, sit in a less comfortable chair and watch a movie there.
I'd rather pop the BluRay into the player and watch it on the big screen in my lounge. Not go upstairs to the PC, sit in a less comfortable chair and watch a movie there.
Man, you really had to stretch to pull that out of your bag of Apple tricks- didn't you.
This is the first time this has ever been mentioned. Good try.
"Blu-ray recordable discs are still quite expensive, but more importantly, recordable discs don't play reliably across the range of Blu-ray players. Judging from personal experience, and from the forums and message boards, it's clear that many producers share my pain. Overall, playback compatibility is generally manageable when producing for one or two known players, but it quickly gets out of control once distribution broadens."
My life primarily revolves around the MacBook Pro and iPhone. I don't need a separate desktop. What I need is to plug my MacBook Pro into a 30" cinema display. i want the large beautiful monitor but I don't need another computer.
From a technology standpoint, we've surpassed the need to buy stand alone players and physical discs. The consumer electronics industry wants to keep us locked into that model because it makes them money. At this point we could watch Blu-ray movies from SD cards, without the need for buying stand alone players.
With our current technological ability buying stand alone players and discs is an arcane model for media distribution.
My life primarily revolves around the MacBook Pro and iPhone. I don't need a separate desktop. What I need is to plug my MacBook Pro into a 30" cinema display. i want the large beautiful monitor but I don't need another computer.
That's what I do. MBP + large display (24-inch Samsung.) Love it.
MBP rests on a lower shelf of the desk. I've got a separate keyboard + Wireless MM. Instant desktop.
I don't think you fully understand the difference. HDMI and DP don't really directly compete with each other, they serve two different purposes. HDMI is designed to replace component television. It is not designed to meet the needs of computer display and audio.
DP is designed for computer interface and meets these needs in ways that HDMI cannot, because HDMI is not for computers.
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Jeff, lets not get caught up with facts here. DP has some advantages, but not enough to overcome one little thing: people want a single connection standard with both computers and video equipment and HDMI is good enough.
I don't think you fully understand the difference. HDMI and DP don't really directly compete with each other, they serve two different purposes. HDMI is designed to replace component television. It is not designed to meet the needs of computer display and audio.
DP is designed for computer interface and meets these needs in ways that HDMI cannot, because HDMI is not for computers.
However if you want universal compatability you need HDMI. Say you take your MBP over to friend's or relative's - you're going to lug around cords with adaptors on them to watch your files? Hell no. You should just swap out any HDMI cable from any of their machines (blu-ray, cable, etc.) and plug it directly into your laptop. You expect them to supply the adaptor? That's ridiculous.
Exactly, that's the type of set up I'm going to do. I would like to do it with an Apple monitor. I'm sure Apple is eventually going to release a wider range of Cinema Displays. If Apple had done it now the current iMac wouldn't have much of a fighting chance.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
That's what I do. MBP + large display (24-inch Samsung.) Love it.
MBP rests on a lower shelf of the desk. I've got a separate keyboard + Wireless MM. Instant desktop.
Seeing as DP does everything HDMI can do and more, its a necessary trade off.
Lugging around a 3 inch adaptor isn't that big of a deal.
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Originally Posted by teckstud
However if you want universal compatability you need HDMI. Say you take your MBP over to friend's or relative's - you're going to lug around cords with adaptors on them to watch your files? Hell no. You should just swap out any HDMI cable from any of their machines (blu-ray, cable, etc.) and plug it directly into your laptop. You expect them to supply the adaptor? That's ridiculous.
Hmm-I have to check this one out. But your files are ripped off DVDs not Blu-rays- correct?
Blu Rays.
The WD HD mediaplayer plays an ocean of formats, inlcuding native blu ray and MPEG Transport stream and .mkv, in full 1080p and digital audio. I've got the unit wired to a DTS receiver.
The WD unit itself barely costs $120. Well worth the money. And it gets regular updates, adding more formats, etc. And the newer version includes YouTube, Facebook and other live streaming-type functionality.
The WD HD mediaplayer plays an ocean of formats, inlcuding native blu ray and MPEG Transport stream and .mkv, in full 1080p and digital audio. I've got the unit wired to a DTS receiver.
The WD unit itself barely costs $120. Well worth the money. And it gets regular updates, adding more formats, etc.
Oh no,this sounds too wild- I 'll have to look for it at JandR this weekend. thanks
I think this one might be the more expensive version. But both versions play the same formats, including full 1080p.
It doesn't decode DTS on its own due to licensing issues. So if you have a DTS receiver to wire it to, you're golden. A decent DTS receiver from say, Sony, will set you back not much more than like $150-$180. The unit does fine with all other audio (TrueHD too, I think, though you might need a receiver for that.) It'll do Dolby Digital on its own, and AC3, etc.
I believe the 2-channel limit for Dolby Digital and AAC can be resolved with the use of a receiver. But I'll have to check my settings to make sure.
If you'll use a receiver, you'll obviously need a set of external speakers. Two is enough to enjoy it, but it won't really be surround then.
Impressive but what will you use more an HDMI connection or a DP?
Obviously if he had a DP monitor he'd use the DP connector more since his monitor would be connected to it full time.
The argument about adapters or about how HDMI is already entrenched is fluff. DP gives me the appropriate connector for computer display yet I do not lose HDMI capability for electronics. It's clearly the superior connection going forward.
Not everyone has dreams about watching movies all day on their computer. I bought my HDTV for watching movies and it appropriately comes with HDMI.
What I'm looking forward to is seeing LCD panels move from 8-bit panels to 10-bit. There should be a marked increase in color quality if the improvement is as significant as the jump between 8-bit video and 10-bit video.
We really need to look at where we're going to be 5 years from now. I think resolution will stay at 2.5k and 8-bit panels at the higher end for consumers and Pros will move to 4k monitors with 10-bit panels.
Eventually I expect Apple to replace the 30" Cinema Display with something closer to a 4k display and perhaps that 10-bit panel and the price will go back up to $2500 or more initially.
Hell I just read that 21:9 panels are increasing in production.
21 x 9 panels are closer to the 2.35:1 cinema aspect ratio that is quite popular for DVD and Blu-ray titles. Thus, a 21 x 9 TV would likely have fewer black bars and less scaling for movies, but would require more scaling for broadcast content. The benefits from Sharp?s standpoint are quite significant. As indicated, while they could only produce 55-inch 16 x 9, 8-up on their new fab, they can produce 56-inch 21 x 9, 10-up, generating 25% more output per substrate. Furthermore, the history of the LCD industry indicates that they should be able to sell 56-inch 21 x 9 panels for more than 55-inch 16 x 9 panels making it a double win. Philips has already announced a TV using this panel as shown in Figure 1. I would certainly expect Sharp to launch its own branded 56-inch 21 x 9 TV in the near future.
Seeing as DP does everything HDMI can do and more, its a necessary trade off.
Lugging around a 3 inch adaptor isn't that big of a deal.
Also works for hooking up to a much wider range monitors...if it actually works. So far Mini-DP hasn't played all that well with adapters. Would be also nice if Apple had done it themselves from the beginning.
OK thanks. I am using a wireless keyboard with numeric keypad now (the Mac pro's wired one is in the cupboard) but it is a few years old predating the flat aluminum models. Shame they didn't update it.
When I noticed the new aluminum keyboards had no wireless with keypads option I immediately bought 4 of the remaining white plastic Bluetooth keyboards with keypads to future proof my need for them for the remainder of my life. Spilled a drink on one which killed it. Now on #2. Two still virgin in the box.
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Your wrong on this. In Europe and especially in the Netherlands 20Mb/s is the norm and very cheap per month ($30, and most of the time this includes unlimited calls). Several providers are offering 100Mb/s connections next year. (And as a side note, in Finland a 20Mb/s (or something) is required by law.)
So bandwidth isn't a problem at all, even for Blu-ray downloads.
In a SELECT FEW European cities, bandwidth isn't a problem.
Of course, at some point the bandwidth is shared, ultimately at the network level.
A 40mbps BluRay-quality stream is very hard to achieve in real life, even on a 100mbps internet connection.
Most people in the UK are on 2mbps to 20mbps. BluRay quality isn't achievable. iTunes 5mbps "HD" streams are possible, for those that are lucky to have that. Of course, at peak times there always seems to be less bandwidth available.
Sorry to let reality (and reality for the next few years) intrude upon your fantasy where BluRay quality streams are possible in the near future.
I'd rather pop the BluRay into the player and watch it on the big screen in my lounge. Not go upstairs to the PC, sit in a less comfortable chair and watch a movie there.
I'd rather pop the BluRay into the player and watch it on the big screen in my lounge. Not go upstairs to the PC, sit in a less comfortable chair and watch a movie there.
What if you lived in a studio apartment?
Man, you really had to stretch to pull that out of your bag of Apple tricks- didn't you.
This is the first time this has ever been mentioned. Good try.
"Blu-ray recordable discs are still quite expensive, but more importantly, recordable discs don't play reliably across the range of Blu-ray players. Judging from personal experience, and from the forums and message boards, it's clear that many producers share my pain. Overall, playback compatibility is generally manageable when producing for one or two known players, but it quickly gets out of control once distribution broadens."
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/vi...blues/?smte=wr
My life primarily revolves around the MacBook Pro and iPhone. I don't need a separate desktop. What I need is to plug my MacBook Pro into a 30" cinema display. i want the large beautiful monitor but I don't need another computer.
With our current technological ability buying stand alone players and discs is an arcane model for media distribution.
Looks really good if you want or need a desktop.
My life primarily revolves around the MacBook Pro and iPhone. I don't need a separate desktop. What I need is to plug my MacBook Pro into a 30" cinema display. i want the large beautiful monitor but I don't need another computer.
That's what I do. MBP + large display (24-inch Samsung.) Love it.
MBP rests on a lower shelf of the desk. I've got a separate keyboard + Wireless MM. Instant desktop.
At this point we could watch Blu-ray movies from SD cards, without the need for buying stand alone players
It's what I do as well.
Throw in a large HDTV into the mix plus a Western Digital HD mediaplayer (sorry, AppleTV), and life is good.
DP is designed for computer interface and meets these needs in ways that HDMI cannot, because HDMI is not for computers.
Jeff, lets not get caught up with facts here. DP has some advantages, but not enough to overcome one little thing: people want a single connection standard with both computers and video equipment and HDMI is good enough.
It's what I do as well.
Throw in a large HDTV into the mix plus a Western Digital HD mediaplayer (sorry, AppleTV), and life is good.
Hmm-I have to check this one out. But your files are ripped off DVDs not Blu-rays- correct?
(And as a side note, in Finland a 20Mb/s (or something) is required by law.)
No, 1 (one) megabit is the required minimum speed offered to citizens by July 1, 2010.
I don't think you fully understand the difference. HDMI and DP don't really directly compete with each other, they serve two different purposes. HDMI is designed to replace component television. It is not designed to meet the needs of computer display and audio.
DP is designed for computer interface and meets these needs in ways that HDMI cannot, because HDMI is not for computers.
However if you want universal compatability you need HDMI. Say you take your MBP over to friend's or relative's - you're going to lug around cords with adaptors on them to watch your files? Hell no. You should just swap out any HDMI cable from any of their machines (blu-ray, cable, etc.) and plug it directly into your laptop. You expect them to supply the adaptor? That's ridiculous.
That's what I do. MBP + large display (24-inch Samsung.) Love it.
MBP rests on a lower shelf of the desk. I've got a separate keyboard + Wireless MM. Instant desktop.
Lugging around a 3 inch adaptor isn't that big of a deal.
However if you want universal compatability you need HDMI. Say you take your MBP over to friend's or relative's - you're going to lug around cords with adaptors on them to watch your files? Hell no. You should just swap out any HDMI cable from any of their machines (blu-ray, cable, etc.) and plug it directly into your laptop. You expect them to supply the adaptor? That's ridiculous.
Hmm-I have to check this one out. But your files are ripped off DVDs not Blu-rays- correct?
Blu Rays.
The WD HD mediaplayer plays an ocean of formats, inlcuding native blu ray and MPEG Transport stream and .mkv, in full 1080p and digital audio. I've got the unit wired to a DTS receiver.
The WD unit itself barely costs $120. Well worth the money. And it gets regular updates, adding more formats, etc. And the newer version includes YouTube, Facebook and other live streaming-type functionality.
Blu Rays.
The WD HD mediaplayer plays an ocean of formats, inlcuding native blu ray and MPEG Transport stream and .mkv, in full 1080p and digital audio. I've got the unit wired to a DTS receiver.
The WD unit itself barely costs $120. Well worth the money. And it gets regular updates, adding more formats, etc.
Oh no,this sounds too wild- I 'll have to look for it at JandR this weekend. thanks
Seeing as DP does everything HDMI can do and more, its a necessary trade off.
Lugging around a 3 inch adaptor isn't that big of a deal.
Is there a key ring version?
Impressive but what will you use more an HDMI connection or a DP?
Oh no,this sounds too wild- I 'll have to look for it at JandR this weekend. thanks
No word of a lie, it totally changed my movie-viewing and my media-viewig habits. This little bad boy was worth every penny.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572
I think this one might be the more expensive version. But both versions play the same formats, including full 1080p.
It doesn't decode DTS on its own due to licensing issues. So if you have a DTS receiver to wire it to, you're golden. A decent DTS receiver from say, Sony, will set you back not much more than like $150-$180. The unit does fine with all other audio (TrueHD too, I think, though you might need a receiver for that.) It'll do Dolby Digital on its own, and AC3, etc.
I believe the 2-channel limit for Dolby Digital and AAC can be resolved with the use of a receiver. But I'll have to check my settings to make sure.
If you'll use a receiver, you'll obviously need a set of external speakers. Two is enough to enjoy it, but it won't really be surround then.
File Formats Supported\t
Music - MP3, WMA, OGG, WAV/PCM/LPCM, AAC, FLAC, Dolby Digital, AIF/AIFF, MKA
Photo - JPEG, GIF, TIF/TIFF, BMP, PNG
Video -MPEG1/2/4, WMV9, AVI (MPEG4, Xvid, AVC), H.264, MKV, MOV (MPEG4, H.264),
MTS, TP, TS
Playlist - PLS, M3U, WPL
Subtitle -SRT (UTF-8), SMI, SUB, ASS, SSA
Note:
- MPEG2/4, H.264, and WMV9 supports up to 1920x1080p 24fps, 1920x1080i 30fps, 1280x720p 60fps resolution
- An audio receiver is required for surround sound output. AAC/Dolby Digital decodes in 2 channel output only
- JPEG does not support CMYK or loss less.
- BMP supports uncompressed format only.
- TIF/TIFF supports single layer only.
File Formats Not Supported\t
Does not support protected premium content such as movies or music from the iTunes® Store, Cinema Now, Movielink®, Amazon Unbox™, and Vongo®
External Drive Formats Supported\t
FAT32, NTFS, HFS+ (no journaling)
Performance Specifications\t
Serial Transfer Rate
\tUSB 2.0
\tSerial Bus Transfer Rate (USB 2.0)\t480 Mb/s (Max)
Is there a key ring version?
Impressive but what will you use more an HDMI connection or a DP?
Obviously if he had a DP monitor he'd use the DP connector more since his monitor would be connected to it full time.
The argument about adapters or about how HDMI is already entrenched is fluff. DP gives me the appropriate connector for computer display yet I do not lose HDMI capability for electronics. It's clearly the superior connection going forward.
Not everyone has dreams about watching movies all day on their computer. I bought my HDTV for watching movies and it appropriately comes with HDMI.
What I'm looking forward to is seeing LCD panels move from 8-bit panels to 10-bit. There should be a marked increase in color quality if the improvement is as significant as the jump between 8-bit video and 10-bit video.
We really need to look at where we're going to be 5 years from now. I think resolution will stay at 2.5k and 8-bit panels at the higher end for consumers and Pros will move to 4k monitors with 10-bit panels.
Eventually I expect Apple to replace the 30" Cinema Display with something closer to a 4k display and perhaps that 10-bit panel and the price will go back up to $2500 or more initially.
Hell I just read that 21:9 panels are increasing in production.
Sharp increases 21x9 panel production
21 x 9 panels are closer to the 2.35:1 cinema aspect ratio that is quite popular for DVD and Blu-ray titles. Thus, a 21 x 9 TV would likely have fewer black bars and less scaling for movies, but would require more scaling for broadcast content. The benefits from Sharp?s standpoint are quite significant. As indicated, while they could only produce 55-inch 16 x 9, 8-up on their new fab, they can produce 56-inch 21 x 9, 10-up, generating 25% more output per substrate. Furthermore, the history of the LCD industry indicates that they should be able to sell 56-inch 21 x 9 panels for more than 55-inch 16 x 9 panels making it a double win. Philips has already announced a TV using this panel as shown in Figure 1. I would certainly expect Sharp to launch its own branded 56-inch 21 x 9 TV in the near future.
Interesting
Seeing as DP does everything HDMI can do and more, its a necessary trade off.
Lugging around a 3 inch adaptor isn't that big of a deal.
Also works for hooking up to a much wider range monitors...if it actually works. So far Mini-DP hasn't played all that well with adapters. Would be also nice if Apple had done it themselves from the beginning.
OK thanks. I am using a wireless keyboard with numeric keypad now (the Mac pro's wired one is in the cupboard) but it is a few years old predating the flat aluminum models. Shame they didn't update it.
When I noticed the new aluminum keyboards had no wireless with keypads option I immediately bought 4 of the remaining white plastic Bluetooth keyboards with keypads to future proof my need for them for the remainder of my life. Spilled a drink on one which killed it. Now on #2. Two still virgin in the box.