I have a monoprice HDMI adaptor that I've used with my MBP. Its worked fine for me. Which adaptors have had problems?
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Also works for hooking up to a much wider range monitors...if it actually works. So far Mini-DP hasn't played all that well with adapters. Would be also nice if Apple had done it themselves from the beginning.
Not so much of a complaint as waving a flag! I did a TM initial back up of an iBook (Ok so it's not new) last week and it took most of the day for a 60GB drive. A couple of weeks previously we did a TM backup of a new MacBook Pro (250GB) on a 1TB TC which took all night. The other issues are around migrating data from one computer to another such as a new purchase. My point is that as drives get bigger they incur other penalties and I think there comes a point where we should be thinking about off-computer storage e.g. Cloud. Bigger doesn't always mean better - although I would like the 27in over my 24in any time!
I have a monoprice HDMI adaptor that I've used with my MBP. Its worked fine for me. Which adaptors have had problems?
Apple?s video out had issues when they moved to mDP. Also, Apple?s $99 Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter has had some issues. I think both have been worked out with firmware updates.
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may if not most of dell's monitors have hdmi connections. more than have dp.
They do, but Dell is moving to DP. Maybe to mDP when the 1.2 spec is complete. It?s cheaper, has a higher bandwidth and is backwards compatible to HDMI and DVI. There are no drawbacks. If you want to, you can say that any machine with DP also has HDMI since a cheap adapter will give you HDMI.
Ah Ok. I recently got the new MBP and began using mDP, I must've missed those problems.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Apple?s video out had issues when they moved to mDP. Also, Apple?s $99 Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter has had some issues. I think both have been worked out with firmware updates.
Your wrong on this. In Europe and especially in the Netherlands 20Mb/s is the norm and very cheap per month ($30, and most of the time this includes unlimited calls). Several providers are offering 100Mb/s connections next year. (And as a side note, in Finland a 20Mb/s (or something) is required by law.)
So bandwidth isn't a problem at all, even for Blu-ray downloads.
Nothing personal, but the Netherlands is a tiny country, and even with S Korea, a much bigger country, most people around the world have connections much slower than 10 Mb/s.
Finland has 5.25 million people, less than a third of the Netherlands.
Right now, even in developed countries, over three quarters have connections less than 10 Mb/s. Many are much slower.
Even SONY has been dropping Blu-ray in some of its offerings because it is not reliable.*
One major problem that is coming more to light is that Blu-ray writers are more unreliable vs other means when it comes to reading the disk on another player.
In addition, the error rate writing to a Blu-ray disc is higher than CD/DVD's.
Now that may seem miniscule to some, but having to redo a backup because the Blu-ray writer or I faulted is a lot harder to take at $10-20 for a new blank disk vs a DVD disk at a quarter.
Imagine backing up you life's work on a disk that may not work on your next computer or Blu-ray player.
I think I will wait a while longer before I would recommend that road.
Sony may be having some problems, but it's THEIR problem. It;s not a B_R problem.
And you can buy 25GB disks for $6 in packs of 25, and cheaper in packs of 50 or 100.
This is like CD pricing and DVD pricing a couple of years after they first came out. It's not a good reason to wait if it's useful. The prices will continue to drop substantially.
Since I just "lost" my Gen 1 Intel iMac 20" I will probably order a 27" with i7 and 8 GB RAM. I hope they will have native OS support for playing Blu-ray from an external USB drive later. I so wanted to get a 27" in Nov and don't want to wait for a mid-model year refresh with a built-in Blu-ray drive next year
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From a technology standpoint, we've surpassed the need to buy stand alone players and physical discs
Unfortunately, our internet/network infrastructures have not kept up, at least not in Canada. At peak hours even streaming YouTube "HD" video is unreliable and interrupted at spots. Not to mention I have tried the downloads/streaming on XBox Live, iTune, etc. for full feature films - those are NOT in Blu-ray quality, sorry. It is not just for the resolution with Blu-rays: the downloads/streaming videos we have now are compromised in too much compression artifacts, etc. It is very obvious esp. if you have a front projection system or large plasma. I still want my physical discs at this point in time.
Of course, if you are just as happy to have "720p" or "1080i/p" in dubious quality I guess you will be fine. I have a feeling that most here (or the general public) don't care...
What's the point of an "all-in-one" like the imac if you have to buy an external drive?
I think tons of folks watch movies on their computers. I do. I don't even own a tv per se, just a 28" HD monitor from Dell.
In terms of price point, Sony has an all-in-one WITH BLU-RAY and WITH MULTI-TOUCH 1080p screen on the market for $1300. http://www.engadget.com/tag/vaiol
Next to it, Apple doesn't exactly look like the innovator with their current iMac.
As far as I can find out, it comes with a Blu-ray reader only.
Just called Sony and they said it is coming next week and it plays only. Does not write to Blu-ray disks. However, I have heard that the $1999 model may come a blu-ray writer. Can't yet confirm.
Multitouch on a desktop is a horrible idea that violates ergonomic principals. Most people don't have strong shoulders (deltoids) so I don't think they're going to like to feel the burn and discomfort from the pressure on the shoulder caused by reaching out and touching the screen.
Apple is smartly putting Multitouch where it belongs. Down by the keyboard where it belongs.
They don't have blu-ray because they assume people will be downloading HD Video instead. If people are burning on a Blu-Ray..well tough crap. The only type of person, who would get a PC becuase of that deserves the peice of crap they bought instead.
You got the quad core and the Nehelem (whatever) processor and the larger led backlit screen and a nice new magic mouse and all you do is complain about the blu ray. Can't you get a hang on external blu ray and use that?
I'm going to buy one this very minute. Even if it does have the glossy screen that I didn't want. If Jobs and Ive built it this way, it must be right for ME.
True about these whiners. There is so much to boast about and you are all bitching at no blu-ray. So add one ya little babies. Boo-Hoo. BTW...has it occurred to anyone that iTunes will be upgrading evventually. Apple has always had good forsight, so relax people.
They don't have blu-ray because they assume people will be downloading HD Video instead. If people are burning on a Blu-Ray..well tough crap. The only type of person, who would get a PC becuase of that deserves the peice of crap they bought instead.
Please tell me where I can download 45mbit 1080p video with 7.1 Dolby True HD lossless audio, because I've yet to find anywhere which offers it.
Until that happens, blu-ray will remain the king of HD video.
Please tell me where I can download 45mbit 1080p video with 7.1 Dolby True HD lossless audio, because I've yet to find anywhere which offers it.
Until that happens, blu-ray will remain the king of HD video.
Who said Blu-ray isn?t king? It?s the highest quality consumer audio and video option we have, but that does mean that every computer should automatically have it? DVD is still widely popular and despite HDTV taking off up-converting DVD players seems to be more popular that Blu-ray. That doesn?t mean it?s better quality. Blu-ray is great for the home entertainment system, but popularity on PCs is not high and Apple has it?s own agenda with the iTunes Store that it wished to pursue. That much should be obvious. If you want Blu-ray on a Mac you now have an inexpensive option with the 27? iMac. You can also use an internal or external drive with Windows on a Mac, but I don?t think that most people are going to do either of those because they simply don? t care enough about Blu-ray. Convenience trumps quality every time, which is why better tech often fails or takes a long time to take hold.
nice update, except NO MATTE / ANTI-GLARE OPTION!!!!!!
All I want (actually not just me, but A LOT of design professionals) is the option to purchase an iMac with a matte/anti-glare screen.
Apple is continuously insulting design professionals by not giving us the option to choose a different screen finish.
No matte = no sale. Sorry.
With build options like i7, 16GB RAM and 2TB HDD behind a 27? display I?m surprised that Apple didn?t come out with a matte option for design professionals. It seems like it would be a very popular option over a Mac Pro. I wonder what they?ll do about their ACDs. I can?t imagine they won?t be coming out with new ones soon.. though that has been the talk for years now.
As far as I can find out, it comes with a Blu-ray reader only.
Just called Sony and they said it is coming next week and it plays only. Does not write to Blu-ray disks. However, I have heard that the $1999 model may come a blu-ray writer. Can't yet confirm.
Engadget calls it a Blu-ray writer, and sony's own website says" Available Blu-ray Disc™ playback/burning, CD/DVD playback/burning drive". You must not have read either website, and I guess when you called Sony, you talked to someone who had no clue.
Who said Blu-ray isn?t king? It?s the highest quality consumer audio and video option we have, but that does mean that every computer should automatically have it?
If you have a 27", 1080p, why shouldn't it be expected that Blu-Ray would be an option? The only other way to utilize that 1080p right now is to illegally download .mkv files, which most macs have trouble playing anyways due to video card/processor limitations (at least my 2 year old Macbook Pro with 3GB memory can't play them properly), or buy an external drive, which nullifies the point/idea behind an aesthetically design all-in-one.
I think it's a fair complaint, just like it would be a fair complaint if the Playstation3 only had a drive which played Playstation2 games. Apple sells the iMac as part of it's special ecosystem model, with iTunes at the core, and that means one of its intended uses is as a movie-playing machine.
Personally, I think Apple is waiting on Blu-Ray for as long as possible to sucker people into rebuying movies on iTunes - how many folks own 3 copies of Beatles albums or VHS, DVD and Bluray versions of the Godfather trilogy due to the same marketing strategy being used) and increasing the consumer refresh rate on Apple computers. Also, to hold current price points, adding Blu_Ray would really cut into profit margins. Blu-ray drives probably have a different form factor than current Superdrives, so having it as an optional add-on probably isn't a viable option like processor, memory, etc., which is always the same standard size. When Apple finally adds BluRay, you can bet it'll be standard on the models it's available on.
Design professionals should know they aren't supposed to be performing critical color work in an area with bright ambient light.
They shouldn't be doing so in a totally dark room either. Even a 40W lamp in the room can cause glare on the glossy screens. You're obviously not a designer if you don't understand the problem.
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Also works for hooking up to a much wider range monitors...if it actually works. So far Mini-DP hasn't played all that well with adapters. Would be also nice if Apple had done it themselves from the beginning.
I have a monoprice HDMI adaptor that I've used with my MBP. Its worked fine for me. Which adaptors have had problems?
Apple?s video out had issues when they moved to mDP. Also, Apple?s $99 Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter has had some issues. I think both have been worked out with firmware updates.
may if not most of dell's monitors have hdmi connections. more than have dp.
They do, but Dell is moving to DP. Maybe to mDP when the 1.2 spec is complete. It?s cheaper, has a higher bandwidth and is backwards compatible to HDMI and DVI. There are no drawbacks. If you want to, you can say that any machine with DP also has HDMI since a cheap adapter will give you HDMI.
Apple?s video out had issues when they moved to mDP. Also, Apple?s $99 Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter has had some issues. I think both have been worked out with firmware updates.
Your wrong on this. In Europe and especially in the Netherlands 20Mb/s is the norm and very cheap per month ($30, and most of the time this includes unlimited calls). Several providers are offering 100Mb/s connections next year. (And as a side note, in Finland a 20Mb/s (or something) is required by law.)
So bandwidth isn't a problem at all, even for Blu-ray downloads.
Nothing personal, but the Netherlands is a tiny country, and even with S Korea, a much bigger country, most people around the world have connections much slower than 10 Mb/s.
Finland has 5.25 million people, less than a third of the Netherlands.
Right now, even in developed countries, over three quarters have connections less than 10 Mb/s. Many are much slower.
Even SONY has been dropping Blu-ray in some of its offerings because it is not reliable.*
One major problem that is coming more to light is that Blu-ray writers are more unreliable vs other means when it comes to reading the disk on another player.
In addition, the error rate writing to a Blu-ray disc is higher than CD/DVD's.
Now that may seem miniscule to some, but having to redo a backup because the Blu-ray writer or I faulted is a lot harder to take at $10-20 for a new blank disk vs a DVD disk at a quarter.
Imagine backing up you life's work on a disk that may not work on your next computer or Blu-ray player.
I think I will wait a while longer before I would recommend that road.
* http://www.current.com.au/2009/09/22...VAYYNOVMX.html
Sony may be having some problems, but it's THEIR problem. It;s not a B_R problem.
And you can buy 25GB disks for $6 in packs of 25, and cheaper in packs of 50 or 100.
This is like CD pricing and DVD pricing a couple of years after they first came out. It's not a good reason to wait if it's useful. The prices will continue to drop substantially.
From a technology standpoint, we've surpassed the need to buy stand alone players and physical discs
Unfortunately, our internet/network infrastructures have not kept up, at least not in Canada. At peak hours even streaming YouTube "HD" video is unreliable and interrupted at spots. Not to mention I have tried the downloads/streaming on XBox Live, iTune, etc. for full feature films - those are NOT in Blu-ray quality, sorry. It is not just for the resolution with Blu-rays: the downloads/streaming videos we have now are compromised in too much compression artifacts, etc. It is very obvious esp. if you have a front projection system or large plasma. I still want my physical discs at this point in time.
Of course, if you are just as happy to have "720p" or "1080i/p" in dubious quality I guess you will be fine. I have a feeling that most here (or the general public) don't care...
What's the point of an "all-in-one" like the imac if you have to buy an external drive?
I think tons of folks watch movies on their computers. I do. I don't even own a tv per se, just a 28" HD monitor from Dell.
In terms of price point, Sony has an all-in-one WITH BLU-RAY and WITH MULTI-TOUCH 1080p screen on the market for $1300. http://www.engadget.com/tag/vaiol
Next to it, Apple doesn't exactly look like the innovator with their current iMac.
As far as I can find out, it comes with a Blu-ray reader only.
Just called Sony and they said it is coming next week and it plays only. Does not write to Blu-ray disks. However, I have heard that the $1999 model may come a blu-ray writer. Can't yet confirm.
Apple is smartly putting Multitouch where it belongs. Down by the keyboard where it belongs.
Geez, you guys are a tough crowd.
You got the quad core and the Nehelem (whatever) processor and the larger led backlit screen and a nice new magic mouse and all you do is complain about the blu ray. Can't you get a hang on external blu ray and use that?
I'm going to buy one this very minute. Even if it does have the glossy screen that I didn't want. If Jobs and Ive built it this way, it must be right for ME.
True about these whiners. There is so much to boast about and you are all bitching at no blu-ray. So add one ya little babies. Boo-Hoo. BTW...has it occurred to anyone that iTunes will be upgrading evventually. Apple has always had good forsight, so relax people.
They don't have blu-ray because they assume people will be downloading HD Video instead. If people are burning on a Blu-Ray..well tough crap. The only type of person, who would get a PC becuase of that deserves the peice of crap they bought instead.
Please tell me where I can download 45mbit 1080p video with 7.1 Dolby True HD lossless audio, because I've yet to find anywhere which offers it.
Until that happens, blu-ray will remain the king of HD video.
Please tell me where I can download 45mbit 1080p video with 7.1 Dolby True HD lossless audio, because I've yet to find anywhere which offers it.
Until that happens, blu-ray will remain the king of HD video.
Who said Blu-ray isn?t king? It?s the highest quality consumer audio and video option we have, but that does mean that every computer should automatically have it? DVD is still widely popular and despite HDTV taking off up-converting DVD players seems to be more popular that Blu-ray. That doesn?t mean it?s better quality. Blu-ray is great for the home entertainment system, but popularity on PCs is not high and Apple has it?s own agenda with the iTunes Store that it wished to pursue. That much should be obvious. If you want Blu-ray on a Mac you now have an inexpensive option with the 27? iMac. You can also use an internal or external drive with Windows on a Mac, but I don?t think that most people are going to do either of those because they simply don? t care enough about Blu-ray. Convenience trumps quality every time, which is why better tech often fails or takes a long time to take hold.
All I want (actually not just me, but A LOT of design professionals) is the option to purchase an iMac with a matte/anti-glare screen.
Apple is continuously insulting design professionals by not giving us the option to choose a different screen finish.
No matte = no sale. Sorry.
nice update, except NO MATTE / ANTI-GLARE OPTION!!!!!!
All I want (actually not just me, but A LOT of design professionals) is the option to purchase an iMac with a matte/anti-glare screen.
Apple is continuously insulting design professionals by not giving us the option to choose a different screen finish.
No matte = no sale. Sorry.
With build options like i7, 16GB RAM and 2TB HDD behind a 27? display I?m surprised that Apple didn?t come out with a matte option for design professionals. It seems like it would be a very popular option over a Mac Pro. I wonder what they?ll do about their ACDs. I can?t imagine they won?t be coming out with new ones soon.. though that has been the talk for years now.
nice update, except NO MATTE / ANTI-GLARE OPTION!!!!!!
All I want (actually not just me, but A LOT of design professionals) is the option to purchase an iMac with a matte/anti-glare screen.
Apple is continuously insulting design professionals by not giving us the option to choose a different screen finish.
No matte = no sale. Sorry.
As far as I can find out, it comes with a Blu-ray reader only.
Just called Sony and they said it is coming next week and it plays only. Does not write to Blu-ray disks. However, I have heard that the $1999 model may come a blu-ray writer. Can't yet confirm.
Engadget calls it a Blu-ray writer, and sony's own website says" Available Blu-ray Disc™ playback/burning, CD/DVD playback/burning drive". You must not have read either website, and I guess when you called Sony, you talked to someone who had no clue.
Who said Blu-ray isn?t king? It?s the highest quality consumer audio and video option we have, but that does mean that every computer should automatically have it?
If you have a 27", 1080p, why shouldn't it be expected that Blu-Ray would be an option? The only other way to utilize that 1080p right now is to illegally download .mkv files, which most macs have trouble playing anyways due to video card/processor limitations (at least my 2 year old Macbook Pro with 3GB memory can't play them properly), or buy an external drive, which nullifies the point/idea behind an aesthetically design all-in-one.
I think it's a fair complaint, just like it would be a fair complaint if the Playstation3 only had a drive which played Playstation2 games. Apple sells the iMac as part of it's special ecosystem model, with iTunes at the core, and that means one of its intended uses is as a movie-playing machine.
Personally, I think Apple is waiting on Blu-Ray for as long as possible to sucker people into rebuying movies on iTunes - how many folks own 3 copies of Beatles albums or VHS, DVD and Bluray versions of the Godfather trilogy due to the same marketing strategy being used) and increasing the consumer refresh rate on Apple computers. Also, to hold current price points, adding Blu_Ray would really cut into profit margins. Blu-ray drives probably have a different form factor than current Superdrives, so having it as an optional add-on probably isn't a viable option like processor, memory, etc., which is always the same standard size. When Apple finally adds BluRay, you can bet it'll be standard on the models it's available on.
Design professionals should know they aren't supposed to be performing critical color work in an area with bright ambient light.
They shouldn't be doing so in a totally dark room either. Even a 40W lamp in the room can cause glare on the glossy screens. You're obviously not a designer if you don't understand the problem.