If that doesn't suit you, then don't buy the device - it's not for you.
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
Of course it is. I'm not criticising criticism, I'm criticising people who can't see that this device is perfect for it's intended audience.
"It must have this"
"It will fail because it doesn't have this"
It's all BS. There is a difference between constructive criticism and people screaming opinion as fact and calling Apple an incompetent company. A device can't be all things to all people. You want a full powered portable computing device - go buy a macbook. You want a handheld device for casual consumption of information - there's the iPad's role.
I do understand the lack of flash being an issue.
I don't understand the calls for a camera. When did this become a video chat device - how would you even keep it steady at a sensible angle for video chat? Put it on a desk on a stand, with a keyboard in front of it. Oh yes, I've already got that set up in front of me, it's called an iMac. And yet people criticising apple for 'missing' the camera off - were we told it was going to have one? Were we expecting this to be a telephone device? I wasn't. This device does everything i thought it would do, and some more.
How about if you don't like the way that this (free) software operates, you use an alternative? The style of work you describe is not what the iLife suite is there for, it's to store and manage your media, and to have easy access to it from the other iLife applications, via the media browser.
It's not "steve's" way of working, it's just one, relatively simple way of working that no one forces you to use.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
This thing has more potential than Apple imagined? Don't be ridiculous.
Regardless of how this is used in the wild, Apple excel by focussing a product to a specific audience and make sure it works for that audience, while letting third parties tailor it to their requirements, within the bounds of the device.
The iPad will fail if people like my mum can't pick it up and browse the web, and trust me - that has to be two button pushes. If prosumers/professionals use it, that's great - but their experience will be limited, no matter how much they complain. Otherwise, what will apple sell to those professionals when their first professional touch device with HD 23" screen is Launched?
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
You're right, consumer feedback is a great way to improve products. However, any critique you might provide may be deemed irrelevant once it's revealed you have not even used said product.
And don't you see that two of the platforms you mentioned run a UI alternate than the OS X UI?
Ahhh!!
If your trying to push OS X UI and people to buy Mac's, you certainly don't use a iPhone OS UI on a new device like a tablet.
Apple is not pushing OS X UI, they are pushing a closed concept using the iPhone UI and the App Store, which means eventually all Apple's computers will have this new UI.
Apple's computers will eventually just be dumb terminals, with all the processing and storage done on the "cloud".
Programs and data to be used on the "cloud" will be subject to Apple's whims and desires.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
No business can appeal to everyone, nor should they try to. Apple will be just fine doing business the way they have been and their financial reports confirm this.
I realize most of the people here are power users and it is difficult to get your head around the fact that 90% of the population aren't. If you are using photoshop, video editing software or other high end software, this device is not aimed at you. I find it hard to believe that people are upset that this isn't a multitouch high end macbook pro.
I though Steve did an excellent job at making this explicitly clear. 90% of the population use computers specifically for email, internet, music, photos, basic word processing, spreadsheet.... OOOOOOH HOOOOO that is exactly what this device is designed to do very well.
Sure video conferencing would be nice, but lets be realistic, most wireless companies are in the middle of a panic attack about the explosion of smart phones on there networks right now. They are all scrambling to up capacity. No network would want to deal with 4 million new video conferencing devices right now. It will likely happen in the future. Besides that, apple isn't stupid, they are famous for slow incremental upgrades and changes to improve their devices over regular upgrade cycles. It is a basic marketing tool, and they are the masters of it
If you want to make phone calls... does this even remotely look like it is intended for that.
This device will do extremely well for its target market. Me for example. At a $499 price point, they will sell like mad.
Some people here are power users, some people here would like us to think they are power users, and the rest are admittedly newer to the game.
This is a new product, with a still very young OS.
Apple has a plan for this OS, and we're beginning to see it unfold. But it's still too close to the beginning of the plan for most to see what it is.
The iPad will fail if people like my mum can't pick it up and browse the web, and trust me - that has to be two button pushes. If prosumers/professionals use it, that's great - but their experience will be limited, no matter how much they complain. Otherwise, what will apple sell to those professionals when their first professional touch device with HD 23" screen is Launched?
The Touch sells like hotcakes. The iPad, in my opinion, is a larger version with a few interesting tweaks... I have every reason to believe it will be successful. But also, as there will be many who have no use for it, there will be just as many who love what it does - myself included. It won't appeal to everyone, nor does it have to. There are many other players in this game... if you don't like Apple, maybe Acer has what you're looking for.
This thing has more potential than Apple imagined? Don't be ridiculous.
I'm as big a fan of Apple as the next guy. My first was an Apple Lisa 2, circa 1984. I have a lighted Apple logo license plate and printed my homework on a portable Stylewriter 2200 back in high school. But ridiculous would be to say that Apple is infallible or perfect. The Mac, even with its "confusing file system" has proven itself over many years to be easy to use, even for the most computer illiterate of users. My grandmother just got a 20" iMac. She uses it for basic tasks and is confused by it very little. I use the same model, only larger and with a greater capacity. They both have the same filing system.
Will some folks not use the hierarchical file system? Perhaps. But many don't even use it now, even on current-day full-function Macs. My Dad lived years off of the "recent items" folder and the recent documents screen in AppleWorks. Just because the feature is there doesn't mean that newbies have to use it. Apple's mouse software defaults to a single-button usage. But it is expandable for people would would like the functionality. Insanely great.
I'm as big a fan of Apple as the next guy. My first was an Apple Lisa 2, circa 1984. I have a lighted Apple logo license plate and printed my homework on a portable Stylewriter 2200 back in high school. But ridiculous would be to say that Apple is infallible or perfect. The Mac, even with its "confusing file system" has proven itself over many years to be easy to use, even for the most computer illiterate of users. My grandmother just got a 20" iMac. She uses it for basic tasks and is confused by it very little. I use the same model, only larger and with a greater capacity. They both have the same filing system.
Will some folks not use the hierarchical file system? Perhaps. But many don't even use it now, even on current-day full-function Macs. My Dad lived years off of the "recent items" folder and the recent documents screen in AppleWorks. Just because the feature is there doesn't mean that newbies have to use it. Apple's mouse software defaults to a single-button usage. But it is expandable for people would would like the functionality. Insanely great.
Yes, I agree, completely with you.
but Apple know exactly the future of this device, and they know all about it's potential, and the potential for 'grown up' devices built on the model that this will form the foundations of. To suggest the Apple don't realise that this will go a long way and be used in many different ways, by many different sectors is a wee bit naive. iPad = iDollars and a future market place, or Apple wouldn't be launching it - apple are FULLY aware of it's potential.
Now you're just being dense. Because of the number and size of all the files, combined with iPhoto's time consuming import process, it took A LONG TIME to do this. Hours upon hours. It would have taken minutes to simply copy the files to the hard drive. Also, when I first imported these photos, iPhoto did not work as you described. When I dragged all the folders in at once, iPhoto created a single event for all of them and threw away the folder names I had created. Only recently has this behavior been corrected. With previous iPhoto versions, I was forced to import ONE FOLDER AT A TIME! It took freaking DAYS! It took Apple two years to correct this.
And this leaves the Aperture question unanswered. How are you supposed to manage images using both iPhoto and Aperture? Each has a mutually exclusive feature set to the other. Each has its own separate database.
And that is PRECISELY why application/database/library-based file management doesn't work. You are forcing users to use only a single application to interact with a particular file type. Do you know how many situations there are when you need to use different applications to access a set of images?? You don't see a problem with this?
How am I supposed to manage my files - system-wide - when each application insists on barricading its own data files while omitting features offered by other applications?
Solution?
1) Aperture should offer all the functionality of iPhoto (impractical)
2) All applications should stick to standard file management instead of relying on closed data libraries
3) The database file system should be standardized and integrated throughout the entire operating system for use across all applications
It's clear from your comments that you aren't particularly serious about photography or you would understand the challenges I'm describing. The vast majority of serious photographers have abandoned Aperture and moved on to LightRoom.
A $2500, professional DSLR camera shoots images and HD video. Is it crazy to want to come return a trip and view the images and video clips in the same location?
I don't want to edit video clips in Aperture. I just want to keep the photos and video clips which I take at one event together. I want to be able to browse them together. iPhoto lets me do this, while seamlessly synchronizing with iMovie when I want to actually edit the video files. But iPhoto lacks Aperture's advanced image management and editing features. Meanwhile, Aperture offers advanced image management and editing, but it forbids me from storing or browsing my video clips together with my images.
Shooting stills and video with the same camera is still too new for the software companies to have figured out what to do with both.
Earlier, when camcorders shot stills, they were pretty terrible, and because of limitations, were done rarely. More recently, we have compact cameras shoot video, but those are amateur devices.
With semi pro and pro cameras now shooting credible video, Apple, Adobe, Phase One, DXO, and others will have to decide if they wish to combine their use in one program.
So far, I see no interest in my colleagues in doing so. I imagine some attitudes will change, but as few are doing this as yet, it will take some time.
In addition, few of us using professional apps for professional use are seeing much crossover to using an app such as iPhoto for our files.
As you say, it's confusing. While Aperture has some hooks to iPhoto, it's still clumsy. Aperture is a photo management app. In fact, it's mostly being used for that purpose. Unfortunately, Apple blew it with Aperture when it first came out, and have never been able to recover the lost momentum. Rumors of ver 3 are floating around, but Most pros who don't just go to ACR in PS have moved to Lightroom, though they, of course still use PS.
Meanwhile, Apple has acknowledged that Aperture hasn't made it in the pro market, and has accordingly priced it to sell to the higher end amateur market.
Apple has a plan for this OS, and we're beginning to see it unfold. But it's still too close to the beginning of the plan for most to see what it is.
Quite true. Though I've spent some time on this forum topic defending my right to voice an opinion, I too believe the iPad is an exceptional product, worthy of praise. I'm personally making a decision currently as to whether it will be appropriate for my mom. And though I realize this is not its intention, I'm actually considering it for her as her main computer. The items which I've been wondering about currently are Printing, Filing System, CDs/DVDs, photos and music. My mom is looking at the Mac Mini and has been for quite some time, but even the Mini is at the uttermost limits of her budget -- believe it or not, in this fantastic fiat currency paper money economy we've got going -- yes, her budget is limited..lol.
Admittedly, she probably wouldn't use the filing system much, but even back when she was using an old iMac G3, she did save things occasionally, so it's a very small concern. I've been wondering, if she were to purchase the iPad as her main computer, how long would it be before she would have to come to me to back up her photos (if she also bought a camera)? And given iPhoto's filing system, how easy would it be for me to make a backup for her on my computer? And then there's music of course. She just now started using CDs, so she may not be interested in iTunes. But you never know.
I know this computer is not intended to be one's main computer. But for my mom it actually might just fit the bill. The surfing and email capabilities are fantastic. But like I said, the printing capability and a few other things I still wonder about just because I know she's needed them before. And I don't want her to have to drive 30 minutes to my house every time she wants to print something.
Actually most of the 90% of the population use computers for work, as witnessed by Windows 90% market share.
Work computers are hooked up to others, to machines and printers, CAD/CAM devices, ATM machines, POS devices and the what not.
It's that Apple has given up on that 90% market, even when it's demanding a more reliable and secure OS than what Microsoft has been offering all these years.
PC's are in such large quantities because most PC's are a open device, not a closed one and locked to a App Store like what Apple is doing with the iPad.
So it's more like 90% of 10% of Apple users use their computers for only the basics you mentioned
I find is totally unrealistic, because people wouldn't buy a MacBook Pro or a iMac if a cheap netbook would do the basics you mentioned.
But the MacBook Pro and the iMac are Apple's best sellers? Why is this? Because people are using them for more than the basics.
Actually, you're wrong. For years now, most computers have been bought by people for the home, with home use intended. It's been a long time, the mid 90's since most computers have been used for work.
Mac buyers buy the machines they do because they like them. The Macbooks outsell the Macbook Pros by a wide margin, and the iMacs, while used for pro work, are mostly not.
I also know plenty of people who buy MBP's because they like the way it's made, and the way it looks, as opposed to the plastic Macbook, but the Macbook is still Apples best seller.
No business can appeal to everyone, nor should they try to. Apple will be just fine doing business the way they have been and their financial reports confirm this.
Indeed, they've been quite successful. They are also great listeners. Further proven by their financial reports.
but Apple know exactly the future of this device, and they know all about it's potential, and the potential for 'grown up' devices built on the model that this will form the foundations of. To suggest the Apple don't realise that this will go a long way and be used in many different ways, by many different sectors is a wee bit naive. iPad = iDollars and a future market place, or Apple wouldn't be launching it - apple are FULLY aware of it's potential.
Regardless of extremist fanaticism, Apple's intended product usages, and their great wisdom of product potential, the crowds will continue to want and protest for features. Demand will always demand and products will result. The iPad, though highly more valuable than paper money, they will make plenty of it I am sure.
This philosophy is flawed in so many ways. Apple is not giving the end user MORE freedom, but less! Filetypes should act independent to programs for one reason only. LICENSING! Let's apply Apple's logic to the way my computer works now. Being a graphic guy, I switch between Photoshop and Fireworks all the time. Why would I want Photoshop to open and save graphic files when both applications treat the same file totally differently! I also script! There are some things Pages sucks at (script writing development). Why would I want to be in Pages only to write my scripts when scriptwriter pro does it much better?
PDFs is another great example. I want to open PDFs in Acrobat, not PREVIEW! I also want to put files on my thumb drive to send to clients, or upload them to box.net for review. Now what? I have to say to the client, "sorry. That thumbnail I rendered on my iPhone can only be used with this application software of which you have to buy..."
Yea, right.
Why is Apple giving me a reason to move over to the upcoming slate or a netbook running Linux? WHY! What's next Apple? Are you going to tell me that I have to put ice cream in a cone instead of a cup?
the ipad is not a computer
it is a media player
and go forth young man and enjoy linux all you want
But 'correct' it they did, and you're still complaining? Maybe they saw it as a new feature, rather than a 'correction'.
This was not merely a feature. It was a gross omission, due to Apple's shortsightedness with certain concepts. They want to create a simple and straightforward system - which I admire - but they sometimes fail to consider how real people work in real life. Sure, feature X is easy to use when creating new content from scratch, but did it occur to anyone how it might work for people importing years' worth of files or for people who, I don't know, maybe need to collaborate with others who use different software and computers?
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what are you a masochist, or stupid?
I'm not stupid, but perhaps I am a masochist for wasting my time trying to explain things to the feebleminded.
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find software that works the way you want it to - nobody is forcing you to use iPhoto or Aperture.
Oh… so I should either love it or shut the fck up?
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and photoshop doesn't edit video. And Final Cut Pro is a terrible desktop publishing package.
Are you retarded? I never said that one app should edit all file types. My point is that no application should lock up its files in a way that restricts the user from browsing them or organizing them whichever way he wants. Aperture should NOT do video editing. However, it also shouldn't restrict me from keeping photos and videos from a specific event in a common folder for that event.
Idiots like you give Apple users a bad reputation.
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If that doesn't suit you, then don't buy the device - it's not for you.
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
Of course it is. I'm not criticising criticism, I'm criticising people who can't see that this device is perfect for it's intended audience.
"It must have this"
"It will fail because it doesn't have this"
It's all BS. There is a difference between constructive criticism and people screaming opinion as fact and calling Apple an incompetent company. A device can't be all things to all people. You want a full powered portable computing device - go buy a macbook. You want a handheld device for casual consumption of information - there's the iPad's role.
I do understand the lack of flash being an issue.
I don't understand the calls for a camera. When did this become a video chat device - how would you even keep it steady at a sensible angle for video chat? Put it on a desk on a stand, with a keyboard in front of it. Oh yes, I've already got that set up in front of me, it's called an iMac. And yet people criticising apple for 'missing' the camera off - were we told it was going to have one? Were we expecting this to be a telephone device? I wasn't. This device does everything i thought it would do, and some more.
How about if you don't like the way that this (free) software operates, you use an alternative? The style of work you describe is not what the iLife suite is there for, it's to store and manage your media, and to have easy access to it from the other iLife applications, via the media browser.
It's not "steve's" way of working, it's just one, relatively simple way of working that no one forces you to use.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
This thing has more potential than Apple imagined? Don't be ridiculous.
Regardless of how this is used in the wild, Apple excel by focussing a product to a specific audience and make sure it works for that audience, while letting third parties tailor it to their requirements, within the bounds of the device.
The iPad will fail if people like my mum can't pick it up and browse the web, and trust me - that has to be two button pushes. If prosumers/professionals use it, that's great - but their experience will be limited, no matter how much they complain. Otherwise, what will apple sell to those professionals when their first professional touch device with HD 23" screen is Launched?
Consumer feedback is a fantastic way to improve products. Don't criticize criticisms. It is what drives companies like Apple to do better -- to make products that have a wide range of customers from all walks of life, not just consumers, prosumers or professionals.
You're right, consumer feedback is a great way to improve products. However, any critique you might provide may be deemed irrelevant once it's revealed you have not even used said product.
And don't you see that two of the platforms you mentioned run a UI alternate than the OS X UI?
Ahhh!!
If your trying to push OS X UI and people to buy Mac's, you certainly don't use a iPhone OS UI on a new device like a tablet.
Apple is not pushing OS X UI, they are pushing a closed concept using the iPhone UI and the App Store, which means eventually all Apple's computers will have this new UI.
Apple's computers will eventually just be dumb terminals, with all the processing and storage done on the "cloud".
Programs and data to be used on the "cloud" will be subject to Apple's whims and desires.
That's actually what Google wants.
Regardless of a product's intended audience, the fact that some folks have complaints about some of its downfalls shows that this product's audience type could be be extended somewhat. It has a greater potential than was originally realized by its designer. Potential is a good thing.
No business can appeal to everyone, nor should they try to. Apple will be just fine doing business the way they have been and their financial reports confirm this.
I realize most of the people here are power users and it is difficult to get your head around the fact that 90% of the population aren't. If you are using photoshop, video editing software or other high end software, this device is not aimed at you. I find it hard to believe that people are upset that this isn't a multitouch high end macbook pro.
I though Steve did an excellent job at making this explicitly clear. 90% of the population use computers specifically for email, internet, music, photos, basic word processing, spreadsheet.... OOOOOOH HOOOOO that is exactly what this device is designed to do very well.
Sure video conferencing would be nice, but lets be realistic, most wireless companies are in the middle of a panic attack about the explosion of smart phones on there networks right now. They are all scrambling to up capacity. No network would want to deal with 4 million new video conferencing devices right now. It will likely happen in the future. Besides that, apple isn't stupid, they are famous for slow incremental upgrades and changes to improve their devices over regular upgrade cycles. It is a basic marketing tool, and they are the masters of it
If you want to make phone calls... does this even remotely look like it is intended for that.
This device will do extremely well for its target market. Me for example. At a $499 price point, they will sell like mad.
Some people here are power users, some people here would like us to think they are power users, and the rest are admittedly newer to the game.
This is a new product, with a still very young OS.
Apple has a plan for this OS, and we're beginning to see it unfold. But it's still too close to the beginning of the plan for most to see what it is.
The iPad will fail if people like my mum can't pick it up and browse the web, and trust me - that has to be two button pushes. If prosumers/professionals use it, that's great - but their experience will be limited, no matter how much they complain. Otherwise, what will apple sell to those professionals when their first professional touch device with HD 23" screen is Launched?
The Touch sells like hotcakes. The iPad, in my opinion, is a larger version with a few interesting tweaks... I have every reason to believe it will be successful. But also, as there will be many who have no use for it, there will be just as many who love what it does - myself included. It won't appeal to everyone, nor does it have to. There are many other players in this game... if you don't like Apple, maybe Acer has what you're looking for.
This thing has more potential than Apple imagined? Don't be ridiculous.
I'm as big a fan of Apple as the next guy. My first was an Apple Lisa 2, circa 1984. I have a lighted Apple logo license plate and printed my homework on a portable Stylewriter 2200 back in high school. But ridiculous would be to say that Apple is infallible or perfect. The Mac, even with its "confusing file system" has proven itself over many years to be easy to use, even for the most computer illiterate of users. My grandmother just got a 20" iMac. She uses it for basic tasks and is confused by it very little. I use the same model, only larger and with a greater capacity. They both have the same filing system.
Will some folks not use the hierarchical file system? Perhaps. But many don't even use it now, even on current-day full-function Macs. My Dad lived years off of the "recent items" folder and the recent documents screen in AppleWorks. Just because the feature is there doesn't mean that newbies have to use it. Apple's mouse software defaults to a single-button usage. But it is expandable for people would would like the functionality. Insanely great.
I'm as big a fan of Apple as the next guy. My first was an Apple Lisa 2, circa 1984. I have a lighted Apple logo license plate and printed my homework on a portable Stylewriter 2200 back in high school. But ridiculous would be to say that Apple is infallible or perfect. The Mac, even with its "confusing file system" has proven itself over many years to be easy to use, even for the most computer illiterate of users. My grandmother just got a 20" iMac. She uses it for basic tasks and is confused by it very little. I use the same model, only larger and with a greater capacity. They both have the same filing system.
Will some folks not use the hierarchical file system? Perhaps. But many don't even use it now, even on current-day full-function Macs. My Dad lived years off of the "recent items" folder and the recent documents screen in AppleWorks. Just because the feature is there doesn't mean that newbies have to use it. Apple's mouse software defaults to a single-button usage. But it is expandable for people would would like the functionality. Insanely great.
Yes, I agree, completely with you.
but Apple know exactly the future of this device, and they know all about it's potential, and the potential for 'grown up' devices built on the model that this will form the foundations of. To suggest the Apple don't realise that this will go a long way and be used in many different ways, by many different sectors is a wee bit naive. iPad = iDollars and a future market place, or Apple wouldn't be launching it - apple are FULLY aware of it's potential.
Now you're just being dense. Because of the number and size of all the files, combined with iPhoto's time consuming import process, it took A LONG TIME to do this. Hours upon hours. It would have taken minutes to simply copy the files to the hard drive. Also, when I first imported these photos, iPhoto did not work as you described. When I dragged all the folders in at once, iPhoto created a single event for all of them and threw away the folder names I had created. Only recently has this behavior been corrected. With previous iPhoto versions, I was forced to import ONE FOLDER AT A TIME! It took freaking DAYS! It took Apple two years to correct this.
And this leaves the Aperture question unanswered. How are you supposed to manage images using both iPhoto and Aperture? Each has a mutually exclusive feature set to the other. Each has its own separate database.
And that is PRECISELY why application/database/library-based file management doesn't work. You are forcing users to use only a single application to interact with a particular file type. Do you know how many situations there are when you need to use different applications to access a set of images?? You don't see a problem with this?
How am I supposed to manage my files - system-wide - when each application insists on barricading its own data files while omitting features offered by other applications?
Solution?
1) Aperture should offer all the functionality of iPhoto (impractical)
2) All applications should stick to standard file management instead of relying on closed data libraries
3) The database file system should be standardized and integrated throughout the entire operating system for use across all applications
It's clear from your comments that you aren't particularly serious about photography or you would understand the challenges I'm describing. The vast majority of serious photographers have abandoned Aperture and moved on to LightRoom.
A $2500, professional DSLR camera shoots images and HD video. Is it crazy to want to come return a trip and view the images and video clips in the same location?
I don't want to edit video clips in Aperture. I just want to keep the photos and video clips which I take at one event together. I want to be able to browse them together. iPhoto lets me do this, while seamlessly synchronizing with iMovie when I want to actually edit the video files. But iPhoto lacks Aperture's advanced image management and editing features. Meanwhile, Aperture offers advanced image management and editing, but it forbids me from storing or browsing my video clips together with my images.
Shooting stills and video with the same camera is still too new for the software companies to have figured out what to do with both.
Earlier, when camcorders shot stills, they were pretty terrible, and because of limitations, were done rarely. More recently, we have compact cameras shoot video, but those are amateur devices.
With semi pro and pro cameras now shooting credible video, Apple, Adobe, Phase One, DXO, and others will have to decide if they wish to combine their use in one program.
So far, I see no interest in my colleagues in doing so. I imagine some attitudes will change, but as few are doing this as yet, it will take some time.
In addition, few of us using professional apps for professional use are seeing much crossover to using an app such as iPhoto for our files.
As you say, it's confusing. While Aperture has some hooks to iPhoto, it's still clumsy. Aperture is a photo management app. In fact, it's mostly being used for that purpose. Unfortunately, Apple blew it with Aperture when it first came out, and have never been able to recover the lost momentum. Rumors of ver 3 are floating around, but Most pros who don't just go to ACR in PS have moved to Lightroom, though they, of course still use PS.
Meanwhile, Apple has acknowledged that Aperture hasn't made it in the pro market, and has accordingly priced it to sell to the higher end amateur market.
Apple has a plan for this OS, and we're beginning to see it unfold. But it's still too close to the beginning of the plan for most to see what it is.
Quite true. Though I've spent some time on this forum topic defending my right to voice an opinion, I too believe the iPad is an exceptional product, worthy of praise. I'm personally making a decision currently as to whether it will be appropriate for my mom. And though I realize this is not its intention, I'm actually considering it for her as her main computer. The items which I've been wondering about currently are Printing, Filing System, CDs/DVDs, photos and music. My mom is looking at the Mac Mini and has been for quite some time, but even the Mini is at the uttermost limits of her budget -- believe it or not, in this fantastic fiat currency paper money economy we've got going -- yes, her budget is limited..lol.
Admittedly, she probably wouldn't use the filing system much, but even back when she was using an old iMac G3, she did save things occasionally, so it's a very small concern. I've been wondering, if she were to purchase the iPad as her main computer, how long would it be before she would have to come to me to back up her photos (if she also bought a camera)? And given iPhoto's filing system, how easy would it be for me to make a backup for her on my computer? And then there's music of course. She just now started using CDs, so she may not be interested in iTunes. But you never know.
I know this computer is not intended to be one's main computer. But for my mom it actually might just fit the bill. The surfing and email capabilities are fantastic. But like I said, the printing capability and a few other things I still wonder about just because I know she's needed them before. And I don't want her to have to drive 30 minutes to my house every time she wants to print something.
Actually most of the 90% of the population use computers for work, as witnessed by Windows 90% market share.
Work computers are hooked up to others, to machines and printers, CAD/CAM devices, ATM machines, POS devices and the what not.
It's that Apple has given up on that 90% market, even when it's demanding a more reliable and secure OS than what Microsoft has been offering all these years.
PC's are in such large quantities because most PC's are a open device, not a closed one and locked to a App Store like what Apple is doing with the iPad.
So it's more like 90% of 10% of Apple users use their computers for only the basics you mentioned
I find is totally unrealistic, because people wouldn't buy a MacBook Pro or a iMac if a cheap netbook would do the basics you mentioned.
But the MacBook Pro and the iMac are Apple's best sellers? Why is this? Because people are using them for more than the basics.
Actually, you're wrong. For years now, most computers have been bought by people for the home, with home use intended. It's been a long time, the mid 90's since most computers have been used for work.
Mac buyers buy the machines they do because they like them. The Macbooks outsell the Macbook Pros by a wide margin, and the iMacs, while used for pro work, are mostly not.
I also know plenty of people who buy MBP's because they like the way it's made, and the way it looks, as opposed to the plastic Macbook, but the Macbook is still Apples best seller.
No business can appeal to everyone, nor should they try to. Apple will be just fine doing business the way they have been and their financial reports confirm this.
Indeed, they've been quite successful. They are also great listeners. Further proven by their financial reports.
I hope that you'll be able to stream movies and music from your household Macs or PCs to your iPad so that you don't have to sync them first.
Like streaming to an Apple TV or streaming from Mac to Mac.
bingo
the ipad will morph into the apple tv minus HD soon enough
THE IPAD WIIL REPLACE ATV
am i off topic ??
Yes, I agree, completely with you.
but Apple know exactly the future of this device, and they know all about it's potential, and the potential for 'grown up' devices built on the model that this will form the foundations of. To suggest the Apple don't realise that this will go a long way and be used in many different ways, by many different sectors is a wee bit naive. iPad = iDollars and a future market place, or Apple wouldn't be launching it - apple are FULLY aware of it's potential.
Regardless of extremist fanaticism, Apple's intended product usages, and their great wisdom of product potential, the crowds will continue to want and protest for features. Demand will always demand and products will result. The iPad, though highly more valuable than paper money, they will make plenty of it I am sure.
How is this a feature?
This philosophy is flawed in so many ways. Apple is not giving the end user MORE freedom, but less! Filetypes should act independent to programs for one reason only. LICENSING! Let's apply Apple's logic to the way my computer works now. Being a graphic guy, I switch between Photoshop and Fireworks all the time. Why would I want Photoshop to open and save graphic files when both applications treat the same file totally differently! I also script! There are some things Pages sucks at (script writing development). Why would I want to be in Pages only to write my scripts when scriptwriter pro does it much better?
PDFs is another great example. I want to open PDFs in Acrobat, not PREVIEW! I also want to put files on my thumb drive to send to clients, or upload them to box.net for review. Now what? I have to say to the client, "sorry. That thumbnail I rendered on my iPhone can only be used with this application software of which you have to buy..."
Yea, right.
Why is Apple giving me a reason to move over to the upcoming slate or a netbook running Linux? WHY! What's next Apple? Are you going to tell me that I have to put ice cream in a cone instead of a cup?
the ipad is not a computer
it is a media player
and go forth young man and enjoy linux all you want
and the linux forums are cool too !!
good bye
But 'correct' it they did, and you're still complaining? Maybe they saw it as a new feature, rather than a 'correction'.
This was not merely a feature. It was a gross omission, due to Apple's shortsightedness with certain concepts. They want to create a simple and straightforward system - which I admire - but they sometimes fail to consider how real people work in real life. Sure, feature X is easy to use when creating new content from scratch, but did it occur to anyone how it might work for people importing years' worth of files or for people who, I don't know, maybe need to collaborate with others who use different software and computers?
what are you a masochist, or stupid?
I'm not stupid, but perhaps I am a masochist for wasting my time trying to explain things to the feebleminded.
find software that works the way you want it to - nobody is forcing you to use iPhoto or Aperture.
Oh… so I should either love it or shut the fck up?
and photoshop doesn't edit video. And Final Cut Pro is a terrible desktop publishing package.
Are you retarded? I never said that one app should edit all file types. My point is that no application should lock up its files in a way that restricts the user from browsing them or organizing them whichever way he wants. Aperture should NOT do video editing. However, it also shouldn't restrict me from keeping photos and videos from a specific event in a common folder for that event.
Idiots like you give Apple users a bad reputation.
Shooting stills and video with the same camera is still too new for the software companies to have figured out what to do with both.
Holy crap, it was an EXAMPLE. What is so complicated about this?
Users should be allowed to organize and browse their files any way they want. Applications should not isolate and hoard file types.