Noticeably slower on all my machines (2 minis, 2 iMacs and MacBook)
Requires 2gb rather than 1gb to be useable
Lost support for my scanner - really annoying!
Screwed up the ir drivers so eyeTV now needs third party replacement ir drivers
Quicktime X sucks and has no auto-play
Numerous other irritating interface changes particularly to the dock where "Grid" no longer shows all the files and you have to move a slider - arrrgghhh
Been using Apple 24 years and this is the most irritated I have been by a software upgrade(?)!
? I find it faster for everything I see and do. The only thing that gets rated as slower is the GPU, but it's not by much nor would ever be a deal breaker for me.
? Leopard needed more than 1GB RAM, too. I don't recall any better or worse RAM usage.
? Loss of scanner and printer driver support is annoying. Did you find a solution?
? QuickTime X has auto-play as a hidden option for some reason. I understand that the QuickTime rewrite will make a lot of the very old features in QuickTime 7 not carry over, but one of them shouldn't be auto-play and if you are going to change don't make the option to turn it back on hidden.
? The slider and sub-folder access in Grid view is great, but it would be nice to have an option for the Grid window size since displays and usage patterns differ greatly here. I'd also like Apple to allow for a locking of the Dock. It's too easily to delete the item and you can't use Command+Z to bring it back.
? I've owned a Mac for 17 years (not counting using them in primary school) and I've never been more impressed with a major update. If the point of an update is to make your life simpler then it's the best I've used. It has it's issues but all the others had more.
PS: This Preference Pane app will give you a lot of hidden options for Mac OS X, including 3rd-party apps.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
There will always be people with issues. SL is most stable release I've used. I've been a Beta tester since Panther and this by far the most stable initial release of Mac OS X.
Questions: Why are still using 1GB RAM? Have you ever checked your memory usage stats in Activity Monitor? Sounds like you a mid-2007 20" iMac If so, that would mean you can input up to 2x2GB 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMMs. Going with 2GB would help out quite a bit with Leopard over Tiger.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
SL is just fine. You need more RAM. Intel Macs running anything since Tiger ought to have at least 2 but preferably 4 gbs of RAM.
Do you realize that updates don't necessarily add to the OS size because it REPLACES files, rather than add to them?
It still is a huge bandwidth usage, probably mostly consisting of stuff you don't need or don't want. For example, language features. There has to be a better way than making you download 3/4 of a gig of data
I don't know if this helps, but as it has already been pointed out, try using OnyX immediately after installing SL. Safari has been rock solid in SL. In Leopard it would crash due to Flash ever so often. I have yet to experience a single crash in SL. OnyX can be downloaded and used for free at http://www.macupdate.com
I have two macs with separate Time Capsules, and they both suffer from the same annoying bug: as soon as Time Machine starts updating, it can take up to 3 minutes to open the open/save dialog boxes in any application. It drives me nuts, up to the point where I disabled Time Machine. Hope it's addressed in 10.6.3.
Only the third update and we're already up to 773MB. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Snow Leopard will be the first OS X to cross the 1GB size in delta updates by the time we get up to 10.6.8 or whatever the last update will be. Even the still popular Windows XP can completely fit in a CD with room to spare.
Where do you get the idea that 10.6.4 has be larger than 10.6.3. It could be 10MB for all we know.
There will always be people with issues. SL is most stable release I've used. I've been a Beta tester since Panther and this by far the most stable initial release of Mac OS X.
Questions: Why are still using 1GB RAM? Have you ever checked your memory usage stats in Activity Monitor? Sounds like you a mid-2007 20" iMac If so, that would mean you can input up to 2x2GB 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMMs. Going with 2GB would help out quite a bit with Leopard over Tiger.
As inexpensive as it may sound, I can't really afford to purchase more memory. I am unemployable at the present time. On the other side of the coin, my eyesight has changed since purchasing this iMac. It is a late 2007 Aluminum model. I have W7 RC in a BootCamp partition. It works okay, but buy the time I get more RAM, go back to USB keyboard and mouse, purchase a real copy of Windows, and address the HDMI to 720 TV option, I might as well just purchase a PC. While I enjoy Mac OS, I can't see it as well as Windows 7. Zoom is not something I can use to my advantage. For my needs, the voice Alex is the only reason I have a Mac. Windows and I could get along just fine.
I might as well just purchase a PC. While I enjoy Mac OS, I can't see it as well as Windows 7. Zoom is not something I can use to my advantage. For my needs, the voice Alex is the only reason I have a Mac. Windows and I could get along just fine.
Mac OS X has always sucked when it came to scaling the UI elements. Windows uses a faux Resolution Independence called Windows Presentation Foundation. Who cares if it's not real RI, it works well .
I've turned away more than a few people from buying Macs because of sight problems. They keep making monitors with higher pixel densities which shrink the UI elements. They need something. Apple had slated RI for as far back as Tiger, I think. I know it was mentioned as an original feature of Leopard and never mentioned for Snow Leopard. You can enable what they have completed. there were no visual changes between the last two major builds.
Mac OS X has always sucked when it came to scaling the UI elements. Windows uses a faux Resolution Independence called Windows Presentation Foundation. Who cares if it's not real RI, it works well .
I've turned away more than a few people from buying Macs because of sight problems. They keep making monitors with higher pixel densities which shrink the UI elements. They need something. Apple had slated RI for as far back as Tiger, I think. I know it was mentioned as an original feature of Leopard and never mentioned for Snow Leopard. You can enable what they have completed. there were no visual changes between the last two major builds.
I think we've had this conversation before. I really enjoy the speech in Leopard. Alex is the best voice I've ever used, and I use it daily. Windows 7 has added a very quick step in their features to change from 100 to 125 or 150% text DPI. Makes me assume it is needed. I am sure RI is a major undertaking. Not sure why Apple doesn't figure something out. Changing DPI is also easy in all the distributions of Linux I've tinkered with.
Cant be any worse than it currently is. Worst decision ever was to instal Snow Leotard. Ruined 3 perfectly decent computers, slowed them down to unusable speeds (SL faster?! my ass). Oh and the UI changes piss me off daily.
Not to mention my new macbook pro with that stupid no-button trackpad. The bad positioning of the off button (where I hold it). The god awful shiny screen. Bla
Spent the entirety of last week fixing my main computer because the OS corrupted.
I'm really not happy with Apple at the mo.
Wow, polar opposite experience. SL breathed new life into both my Macs! It's also far more stable than Leopard was, though I've had a few minor quirks with my work Mac & Kerberos authentication.
Sounds like there is a lot more going on with your machines than you know & you should really look at the apps you run & find out if there are known issues with any of them & SL.
Also, anyone upgrading from one version of OS X to another should start with a permissions repair & a disk verify. Buddy of mine was reporting issues like you & turned out it wasn't SL but his drive going bad.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
Put SL on our iMac, original 32-bit Core Duo & it only has 1GB of RAM. I noticed an unbelievable performance increase.
My wife uses it mostly for web browsing & e-mail but then my kids also log on & play Flash games from PBS kids. Most of the time both the kids account & my wife's account are logged in at the same time. Kids will have some flash game just running & hogging up CPU, wife usually has a ton of windows & apps opened up all over the place. Despite all this the machine is amazingly responsive & has absolutely no issues at all switching between accounts. Even when flash pushes CPU up around 70% or so my wife never even notices because the machine continues to be snappy & responsive!
Also, since upgrading I have yet to have to reboot it due to a system hang or other issues. Not the case when it had Leopard. Sad that my 4 year old iMac running a ton of stuff makes even the brand new Dells we get in where I work look slow & unstable.
Put SL on our iMac, original 32-bit Core Duo & it only has 1GB of RAM. I noticed an unbelievable performance increase.
My wife uses it mostly for web browsing & e-mail but then my kids also log on & play Flash games from PBS kids. Most of the time both the kids account & my wife's account are logged in at the same time. Kids will have some flash game just running & hogging up CPU, wife usually has a ton of windows & apps opened up all over the place. Despite all this the machine is amazingly responsive & has absolutely no issues at all switching between accounts. Even when flash pushes CPU up around 70% or so my wife never even notices because the machine continues to be snappy & responsive!
Also, since upgrading I have yet to have to reboot it due to a system hang or other issues. Not the case when it had Leopard. Sad that my 4 year old iMac running a ton of stuff makes even the brand new Dells we get in where I work look slow & unstable.
Thanks for that. I imagine there are others who want to know if SL will run effectively on 1GB of RAM. If I recall correctly, Apple sold the mini for a while with SL and 1GB. I seldom have issues with Leopard. Even at $29, I don't have any need for SL. I have a favorite Shockwave game, but can't play it anymore. One of the more recent OS upgrades appears to have killed it. Everything is choppy.
Hopefully it's very close now. I'm tired of sudden reboots, bring it out already!
^^What he said. Snow Leopard has a LONGGGGGG way to go yet before it's stable and usable in a production environment (just the way Tiger was useless until 10.43, and Leopard was horrendous until 10.56) with Quark, CS4, and...
I hope they address a pile of the bugs with Final Cut Studio 3 and the Pro apps (especially FCP) in OSX 10.64 once the Logic Pro boys are satisfied this time. iDVD and the iLife'09 suite would be another set that need serious work (crash city at the moment).
The best running application on Snow Leopard for me at the mo... my old faithful, original "HALO" v2.03 game. Six years on and I've never seen it running as well on my MacPros, and they're fully kitted out with 8Gb, 2Tb HDs, main SL drive is a Velociraptor 300GB 10,000rpm, and Radeon 3870's (upgraded from my beloved, dust-clogged X1900's -- no going back on my test machine to Tiger 10.4.11 now for this one very reason unfortunately).
Heck, we haven't even loaded Unsanity's upcoming Snow Leopard Haxies yet into the equation! Roll on WindowshadeX beta.
... and Roll on the next two weeks.
P.S. Snow Leopard's restart speed is awesome, I'll give it that one thumbs up.
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Snow Leopard -
Noticeably slower on all my machines (2 minis, 2 iMacs and MacBook)
Requires 2gb rather than 1gb to be useable
Lost support for my scanner - really annoying!
Screwed up the ir drivers so eyeTV now needs third party replacement ir drivers
Quicktime X sucks and has no auto-play
Numerous other irritating interface changes particularly to the dock where "Grid" no longer shows all the files and you have to move a slider - arrrgghhh
Been using Apple 24 years and this is the most irritated I have been by a software upgrade(?)!
? I find it faster for everything I see and do. The only thing that gets rated as slower is the GPU, but it's not by much nor would ever be a deal breaker for me.
? Leopard needed more than 1GB RAM, too. I don't recall any better or worse RAM usage.
? Loss of scanner and printer driver support is annoying. Did you find a solution?
? QuickTime X has auto-play as a hidden option for some reason. I understand that the QuickTime rewrite will make a lot of the very old features in QuickTime 7 not carry over, but one of them shouldn't be auto-play and if you are going to change don't make the option to turn it back on hidden.
defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX MGPlayMovieOnOpen 1
? The slider and sub-folder access in Grid view is great, but it would be nice to have an option for the Grid window size since displays and usage patterns differ greatly here. I'd also like Apple to allow for a locking of the Dock. It's too easily to delete the item and you can't use Command+Z to bring it back.
? I've owned a Mac for 17 years (not counting using them in primary school) and I've never been more impressed with a major update. If the point of an update is to make your life simpler then it's the best I've used. It has it's issues but all the others had more.
PS: This Preference Pane app will give you a lot of hidden options for Mac OS X, including 3rd-party apps.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
There will always be people with issues. SL is most stable release I've used. I've been a Beta tester since Panther and this by far the most stable initial release of Mac OS X.
Questions: Why are still using 1GB RAM? Have you ever checked your memory usage stats in Activity Monitor? Sounds like you a mid-2007 20" iMac If so, that would mean you can input up to 2x2GB 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMMs. Going with 2GB would help out quite a bit with Leopard over Tiger.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
SL is just fine. You need more RAM. Intel Macs running anything since Tiger ought to have at least 2 but preferably 4 gbs of RAM.
Do you realize that updates don't necessarily add to the OS size because it REPLACES files, rather than add to them?
It still is a huge bandwidth usage, probably mostly consisting of stuff you don't need or don't want. For example, language features. There has to be a better way than making you download 3/4 of a gig of data
GRAPHIC DRIVERS!!!!!
Woot... maybe SL won't be a completely useless piece of crap OS anymore...
WTF is this about?
Only the third update and we're already up to 773MB. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Snow Leopard will be the first OS X to cross the 1GB size in delta updates by the time we get up to 10.6.8 or whatever the last update will be. Even the still popular Windows XP can completely fit in a CD with room to spare.
Where do you get the idea that 10.6.4 has be larger than 10.6.3. It could be 10MB for all we know.
it will slow if you don't t fix your permissions
every 10 days
and
YES flash will slow your mac
and yes time cap sucks
its slows your mac just when you need speed
you open your mac and backup programs hog power
and then the cloud guys mobile me backups also jump in to sap your power
itunes also jumps and does its update dance
and stupid you if you open mail and come to AI at this same time
while hitting iphoto by mistake
your computer should crash after 6 things opening at start up and connecting online >>> right >> ??
NO WAY JOSE
MY MBP 15IN 3.02GGHz speeds thru all these mundane tasks and I also can print and read stuff here and even start DL itunes HD movies .
i can do 9 things at once and do them fast
YOU guys need new macs
SJ is not stupid
SNOWY loves glass
Quicktime X fixed finally- my fingers are crossed.
No way, Teck. They dropped so many things... It's unlikely to ever come into any acceptable shape.
There will always be people with issues. SL is most stable release I've used. I've been a Beta tester since Panther and this by far the most stable initial release of Mac OS X.
Questions: Why are still using 1GB RAM? Have you ever checked your memory usage stats in Activity Monitor? Sounds like you a mid-2007 20" iMac If so, that would mean you can input up to 2x2GB 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMMs. Going with 2GB would help out quite a bit with Leopard over Tiger.
As inexpensive as it may sound, I can't really afford to purchase more memory. I am unemployable at the present time. On the other side of the coin, my eyesight has changed since purchasing this iMac. It is a late 2007 Aluminum model. I have W7 RC in a BootCamp partition. It works okay, but buy the time I get more RAM, go back to USB keyboard and mouse, purchase a real copy of Windows, and address the HDMI to 720 TV option, I might as well just purchase a PC. While I enjoy Mac OS, I can't see it as well as Windows 7. Zoom is not something I can use to my advantage. For my needs, the voice Alex is the only reason I have a Mac. Windows and I could get along just fine.
I might as well just purchase a PC. While I enjoy Mac OS, I can't see it as well as Windows 7. Zoom is not something I can use to my advantage. For my needs, the voice Alex is the only reason I have a Mac. Windows and I could get along just fine.
Mac OS X has always sucked when it came to scaling the UI elements. Windows uses a faux Resolution Independence called Windows Presentation Foundation. Who cares if it's not real RI, it works well .
I've turned away more than a few people from buying Macs because of sight problems. They keep making monitors with higher pixel densities which shrink the UI elements. They need something. Apple had slated RI for as far back as Tiger, I think. I know it was mentioned as an original feature of Leopard and never mentioned for Snow Leopard. You can enable what they have completed. there were no visual changes between the last two major builds.
Mac OS X has always sucked when it came to scaling the UI elements. Windows uses a faux Resolution Independence called Windows Presentation Foundation. Who cares if it's not real RI, it works well .
I've turned away more than a few people from buying Macs because of sight problems. They keep making monitors with higher pixel densities which shrink the UI elements. They need something. Apple had slated RI for as far back as Tiger, I think. I know it was mentioned as an original feature of Leopard and never mentioned for Snow Leopard. You can enable what they have completed. there were no visual changes between the last two major builds.
I think we've had this conversation before. I really enjoy the speech in Leopard. Alex is the best voice I've ever used, and I use it daily. Windows 7 has added a very quick step in their features to change from 100 to 125 or 150% text DPI. Makes me assume it is needed. I am sure RI is a major undertaking. Not sure why Apple doesn't figure something out. Changing DPI is also easy in all the distributions of Linux I've tinkered with.
Cant be any worse than it currently is. Worst decision ever was to instal Snow Leotard. Ruined 3 perfectly decent computers, slowed them down to unusable speeds (SL faster?! my ass). Oh and the UI changes piss me off daily.
Not to mention my new macbook pro with that stupid no-button trackpad. The bad positioning of the off button (where I hold it). The god awful shiny screen. Bla
Spent the entirety of last week fixing my main computer because the OS corrupted.
I'm really not happy with Apple at the mo.
Wow, polar opposite experience. SL breathed new life into both my Macs! It's also far more stable than Leopard was, though I've had a few minor quirks with my work Mac & Kerberos authentication.
Sounds like there is a lot more going on with your machines than you know & you should really look at the apps you run & find out if there are known issues with any of them & SL.
Also, anyone upgrading from one version of OS X to another should start with a permissions repair & a disk verify. Buddy of mine was reporting issues like you & turned out it wasn't SL but his drive going bad.
I have not made the jump to Snow Leopard. I still have the original 1GB of RAM that was supplied with my iMac. Most of the time, it works fine. I seldom have multiple apps running though. Only when I open VirtualBox, which allocates 384 MEGS to Xubuntu, do I notice Mac OS is slow. Then again, I am seldom using both OSs at the same time. My iMac came with Tiger installed, and an update to Leopard DVD was slipped in at point of sale. iMovie wouldn't even open, and a brand new OS needed an upgrade already. This might be the second time, in a row, that Apple just might have released an OS, before its time.
Put SL on our iMac, original 32-bit Core Duo & it only has 1GB of RAM. I noticed an unbelievable performance increase.
My wife uses it mostly for web browsing & e-mail but then my kids also log on & play Flash games from PBS kids. Most of the time both the kids account & my wife's account are logged in at the same time. Kids will have some flash game just running & hogging up CPU, wife usually has a ton of windows & apps opened up all over the place. Despite all this the machine is amazingly responsive & has absolutely no issues at all switching between accounts. Even when flash pushes CPU up around 70% or so my wife never even notices because the machine continues to be snappy & responsive!
Also, since upgrading I have yet to have to reboot it due to a system hang or other issues. Not the case when it had Leopard. Sad that my 4 year old iMac running a ton of stuff makes even the brand new Dells we get in where I work look slow & unstable.
Put SL on our iMac, original 32-bit Core Duo & it only has 1GB of RAM. I noticed an unbelievable performance increase.
My wife uses it mostly for web browsing & e-mail but then my kids also log on & play Flash games from PBS kids. Most of the time both the kids account & my wife's account are logged in at the same time. Kids will have some flash game just running & hogging up CPU, wife usually has a ton of windows & apps opened up all over the place. Despite all this the machine is amazingly responsive & has absolutely no issues at all switching between accounts. Even when flash pushes CPU up around 70% or so my wife never even notices because the machine continues to be snappy & responsive!
Also, since upgrading I have yet to have to reboot it due to a system hang or other issues. Not the case when it had Leopard. Sad that my 4 year old iMac running a ton of stuff makes even the brand new Dells we get in where I work look slow & unstable.
Thanks for that. I imagine there are others who want to know if SL will run effectively on 1GB of RAM. If I recall correctly, Apple sold the mini for a while with SL and 1GB. I seldom have issues with Leopard. Even at $29, I don't have any need for SL. I have a favorite Shockwave game, but can't play it anymore. One of the more recent OS upgrades appears to have killed it. Everything is choppy.
Hopefully it's very close now. I'm tired of sudden reboots, bring it out already!
^^What he said. Snow Leopard has a LONGGGGGG way to go yet before it's stable and usable in a production environment (just the way Tiger was useless until 10.43, and Leopard was horrendous until 10.56) with Quark, CS4, and...
I hope they address a pile of the bugs with Final Cut Studio 3 and the Pro apps (especially FCP) in OSX 10.64 once the Logic Pro boys are satisfied this time. iDVD and the iLife'09 suite would be another set that need serious work (crash city at the moment).
The best running application on Snow Leopard for me at the mo... my old faithful, original "HALO" v2.03 game. Six years on and I've never seen it running as well on my MacPros, and they're fully kitted out with 8Gb, 2Tb HDs, main SL drive is a Velociraptor 300GB 10,000rpm, and Radeon 3870's (upgraded from my beloved, dust-clogged X1900's -- no going back on my test machine to Tiger 10.4.11 now for this one very reason unfortunately).
Heck, we haven't even loaded Unsanity's upcoming Snow Leopard Haxies yet into the equation!
... and Roll on the next two weeks.
P.S. Snow Leopard's restart speed is awesome, I'll give it that one thumbs up.