Words evolve. Typically, censorship refers to government action.
Not typically, that's actually what the word means. Usually when someone argues that words evolve, what they're generally saying is that they don't know what a word means, so they make up whatever they'd like it to mean. Sorry, that's not evolution, that's ignorance.
Obi-Wan: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of (ifart apps) suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. You'd better get on with your exercises."
What does it sound like when millions of iFart apps cry out? Can't imagine it's pretty.
It is Friday 3:30pm here in Auckland, work day is slowly coming to an end... and you made me laugh.
I've used WifiTrak since day one with my iPod touch on almost a daily basis as I move around the town.
Why kill such useful apps? Apple I am -issed!
Me too...and I am prepared to pay for it. At my age - I do not need paternalism. I am really peeved about this and when my plan comes up in 2 months...I will look at the Android. I want to make my own decisions - not have Apple do it for me. It was the freedom of Apple that attracted me 2 years ago and I got onboard buying 2 MAcs, time capsule and ap tv. This "culling" is way too much control for Apple, too far reaching and leaves me feeling angry. Not good.
Wrong And car manufacturers actively try hard to prevent you from using leading gas, diesel or rocket fuel in car engines not made to use it.
Perhaps you should become more familiar with the law, i.e.,
The First Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. The Amendment states:
The First Amendment only applies to prohibit direct government censorship. Exceptions apply, e.g., The protection from libel suits recognizes that the power of the state is needed to enforce a libel judgment between private persons.
And most important,
Owning your own home does not allow you to burn it down. Or putting a thousand plastic flamingoes on your front lawn.
Yes, it may be what is on the books today but is the Supreme Court right? We are talking about the same Supreme Court that allowed for blacks to be counted as 2/3rds a person when time to take Census... but wait, weren't they considered by law to be property at one time... Let's not forget 'separate but equal'... all of these seem disgusting now but at the time seemed most appropriate and correct!
So I go back to my original premise, "it may be what is on the books today but is the Supreme Court right?"
I am not an iPhone user but am contemplating switching the whole family. My sense is that this is a very slippery slope for Apple. What is "minimum user functionality?" It leaves to much room for abuse by Apple, maybe not under the current leadership, but what about the next? Are developers going to spend perishable time trying to second guess Apple? This has all the tendencies to lead us where Microsoft ( spit..spit ) ruled and still rules the computer OS game.
Let the users be free to make the choices and Apple should instead remove apps that show no sales or downward trend in sales to weed out the crap. Just one man's opinion.
Well for one thing, I think that next leadership will be more relaxed than current. SJ was classified number of times as control freak, and I personally think he is. In a way, this is part of his genius and while it resulted in some good designs - tight integration across the range and all that - it also has the other side, like mostly everything else.
The AppStore is obviously intended to create a free market. Sure Apple has some veto power, but they are not engaging in tactics that eliminate small and upstart developers. There is a reason not not many independent developers write for a PS3 or Nintendo. The barrier to entry is too high. There is always the risk that a company will create an unhealthy ecosystem, but sometimes you just need to have faith. Open source solutions have as of yet not been very successful. Personally, I'd rather have a company like Apple run the AppStore. They rarely compromise or play favorites with big business. Not that big business is bad, they just get away with things they shouldn't sometimes. In Sony's or Microsoft's case, playing favorites with game publishers eliminates the small guys.
Seriously, is your life any worse for not having a "Quack like a duck" application.
Well, game consoles have other "problem" - with so many premium titles around, competition is bloody strong and expectations are high. I actually gave a tour to PSN Store and noticed some of the game titles I have seen on iPhone in Playstation Mini category, but I don't see too many people buying them, or even browsing them - not with new God of War or Bayonetta demo, Bad Company 2, Battlefield 1943... you name it.
Somehow I think it is very demoralising for small developers to see what they are competing against, sort of.
Apple is a publisher in this case. Do you think the newspapers should have to publish every opinion piece sent to them to avoid censorship? Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product. You are free to complain that an application was blocked from the AppStore, you are not free to force Apple to publish your application.
Yes, but Apple is publisher who will not let you get publications from other sources. You can't DL content to your iPhone from other web sites, so in that manner Apple is censoring what is available to you as an iPhone user.
Of course you can change phone, still, I think that publishing parallel is too loose.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
Sounds like you don't have too much use for your nuts, eh?
We are in the minority because most don't know enough to know any better. It doesn't make the majority or Apple right.
If this trend continues, the tech crowd will eventually move away from the iPhone. If they go, the rest will follow.
Go!!! Please!! Here.... let me open the door for you!!!
Seriously, developers go where the masses are because that's where the money is to be made. And the majority of those masses are not tech-heads or part of the tech crowd. You insult the legitimate and serious developers. If this means the boob, fart, porn developers will leave, then I'll be happy to watch the exodus.
Again, it is Apple's product. If they want to they can. Then people will decide whether or not to stay with the product or not.
Heck, they could shut the whole store down if they wanted.
It is not that easy. Windows is MS product, but they can't do what they want with it. There are limits. As Apple grows, those limits become more exposed.
Please, nobody clue this person in. This stuff is just too much fun.
Yeah, you're a really bright man! I'm sure all those switchers were switching because they knew Apple made a better product while at the same time be too naive to handle anything complex on the iPhone like multitasking. That's brilliant logic.
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Originally Posted by azazel-
"The rest will follow"? Hardly. The "rest" will continue thinking the tech crowd is a bunch of self-important losers with too much free time and an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
The thing you don't get is that you're part of that crowd. If you're posting on this forum, chances are you know far more than the average person. BTW there is a difference between a geek and a nerd. I may know a decent amount but I'm far from the guy living in his mother's basement. How about you?
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Originally Posted by grking
The thing is, this is not a matter of "right" or "wrong". It is Apple's product, and they can place whatever limits they want on it.
You can either buy the product or not, depending on how you feel about the restrictions.
But it is not a secret that SJ and Apple want to maintain control with their product. It makes their life easier, and it represents an easier sell to people.
If they were to open the OS and their products, they would wind up like MS - having to support and deal with 100s of different hardware companies, and potential combinations, and sloppy coders causing the OS to crash.
It's almost always a question of right and wrong in anything. Maybe there are issues at play like the API may change for 4.0. Even still, Apple never even told these devs that their apps were being removed. Taken at face value, since Apple is never forthcoming about anything while they should be about this, Apple is in the wrong. It is wrong to take a dump on the same devs whom you want to make apps for the iPad. At this point, the App Store is the main advantage that Apple has over it's competitors (at least until OS 4.0 comes out).
As for "buy their products or not", that is a simplistic statement to make. People are tied to contracts with their iPhone. Many do like the iPhone and Apple's products. Many want to see them do well. If they lose those customers, they won't be coming back.
BTW the Mac is pretty open and there is nothing terrible has happened there. Android has had a couple of exploits and they were mostly apps coming from their own App Store which wouldn't be the same problem for Apple.
Yeah, you're a really bright man! I'm sure all those switchers were switching because they knew Apple made a better product while at the same time be too naive to handle anything complex on the iPhone like multitasking. That's brilliant logic..
What an impenetrable statement. I hope you know what it means, because I'm pretty sure nobody else does.
It is not that easy. Windows is MS product, but they can't do what they want with it. There are limits. As Apple grows, those limits become more exposed.
True, but I wouldn't expect the iphone to ever capture a majority slice of the overall market.
What an impenetrable statement. I hope you know what it means, because I'm pretty sure nobody else does.
That wouldn't surprise me that you wouldn't. I'm sure in your mind people just happened to drift into the Apple store and decide to spend $1,000+ on computers they never used and magically knew that their products are better.
That wouldn't surprise me that you wouldn't. I'm sure in your mind people just happened to drift into the Apple store and decide to spend $1,000+ on computers they never used and magically knew that their products are better.
That's not really helping. I (and presumably Dr. Millmoss) literally have no idea what you're talking about. And that doesn't have anything to do with some imagined opinion about what's in the mind of Apple's customers.
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Words evolve. Typically, censorship refers to government action.
Not typically, that's actually what the word means. Usually when someone argues that words evolve, what they're generally saying is that they don't know what a word means, so they make up whatever they'd like it to mean. Sorry, that's not evolution, that's ignorance.
A perfect expression geek pride.
Please, nobody clue this person in. This stuff is just too much fun.
Let's just hope they never bother to read your signature.
[B]Owning your own home does not allow you to burn it down. Or putting a thousand plastic flamingoes on your front lawn.
Yes it does.
Yes it does.
Wow. Where do you live? Up in the mountains of Idaho?
Apple removes Wi-Fi scanners, 'minimum functionality' iPhone apps...
and adds one more reason to Jailbreak.
or switch to Windows 7.
Luke: "Are you all right? What's wrong?"
Obi-Wan: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of (ifart apps) suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. You'd better get on with your exercises."
What does it sound like when millions of iFart apps cry out? Can't imagine it's pretty.
It is Friday 3:30pm here in Auckland, work day is slowly coming to an end... and you made me laugh.
Thanks
Just a note:
censorship |ˈsensərˌ sh ip|
noun
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts
As in government
I've used WifiTrak since day one with my iPod touch on almost a daily basis as I move around the town.
Why kill such useful apps? Apple I am -issed!
Me too...and I am prepared to pay for it. At my age - I do not need paternalism. I am really peeved about this and when my plan comes up in 2 months...I will look at the Android. I want to make my own decisions - not have Apple do it for me. It was the freedom of Apple that attracted me 2 years ago and I got onboard buying 2 MAcs, time capsule and ap tv. This "culling" is way too much control for Apple, too far reaching and leaves me feeling angry. Not good.
Wrong And car manufacturers actively try hard to prevent you from using leading gas, diesel or rocket fuel in car engines not made to use it.
Perhaps you should become more familiar with the law, i.e., The First Amendment only applies to prohibit direct government censorship. Exceptions apply, e.g., The protection from libel suits recognizes that the power of the state is needed to enforce a libel judgment between private persons.
And most important,
Owning your own home does not allow you to burn it down. Or putting a thousand plastic flamingoes on your front lawn.
Yes, it may be what is on the books today but is the Supreme Court right? We are talking about the same Supreme Court that allowed for blacks to be counted as 2/3rds a person when time to take Census... but wait, weren't they considered by law to be property at one time... Let's not forget 'separate but equal'... all of these seem disgusting now but at the time seemed most appropriate and correct!
So I go back to my original premise, "it may be what is on the books today but is the Supreme Court right?"
I am not an iPhone user but am contemplating switching the whole family. My sense is that this is a very slippery slope for Apple. What is "minimum user functionality?" It leaves to much room for abuse by Apple, maybe not under the current leadership, but what about the next? Are developers going to spend perishable time trying to second guess Apple? This has all the tendencies to lead us where Microsoft ( spit..spit ) ruled and still rules the computer OS game.
Let the users be free to make the choices and Apple should instead remove apps that show no sales or downward trend in sales to weed out the crap. Just one man's opinion.
Well for one thing, I think that next leadership will be more relaxed than current. SJ was classified number of times as control freak, and I personally think he is. In a way, this is part of his genius and while it resulted in some good designs - tight integration across the range and all that - it also has the other side, like mostly everything else.
The AppStore is obviously intended to create a free market. Sure Apple has some veto power, but they are not engaging in tactics that eliminate small and upstart developers. There is a reason not not many independent developers write for a PS3 or Nintendo. The barrier to entry is too high. There is always the risk that a company will create an unhealthy ecosystem, but sometimes you just need to have faith. Open source solutions have as of yet not been very successful. Personally, I'd rather have a company like Apple run the AppStore. They rarely compromise or play favorites with big business. Not that big business is bad, they just get away with things they shouldn't sometimes. In Sony's or Microsoft's case, playing favorites with game publishers eliminates the small guys.
Seriously, is your life any worse for not having a "Quack like a duck" application.
Well, game consoles have other "problem" - with so many premium titles around, competition is bloody strong and expectations are high. I actually gave a tour to PSN Store and noticed some of the game titles I have seen on iPhone in Playstation Mini category, but I don't see too many people buying them, or even browsing them - not with new God of War or Bayonetta demo, Bad Company 2, Battlefield 1943... you name it.
Somehow I think it is very demoralising for small developers to see what they are competing against, sort of.
Apple is a publisher in this case. Do you think the newspapers should have to publish every opinion piece sent to them to avoid censorship? Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product. You are free to complain that an application was blocked from the AppStore, you are not free to force Apple to publish your application.
Yes, but Apple is publisher who will not let you get publications from other sources. You can't DL content to your iPhone from other web sites, so in that manner Apple is censoring what is available to you as an iPhone user.
Of course you can change phone, still, I think that publishing parallel is too loose.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
Sounds like you don't have too much use for your nuts, eh?
We are in the minority because most don't know enough to know any better. It doesn't make the majority or Apple right.
If this trend continues, the tech crowd will eventually move away from the iPhone. If they go, the rest will follow.
Go!!! Please!! Here.... let me open the door for you!!!
Seriously, developers go where the masses are because that's where the money is to be made. And the majority of those masses are not tech-heads or part of the tech crowd. You insult the legitimate and serious developers. If this means the boob, fart, porn developers will leave, then I'll be happy to watch the exodus.
Again, it is Apple's product. If they want to they can. Then people will decide whether or not to stay with the product or not.
Heck, they could shut the whole store down if they wanted.
It is not that easy. Windows is MS product, but they can't do what they want with it. There are limits. As Apple grows, those limits become more exposed.
A perfect expression geek pride.
Please, nobody clue this person in. This stuff is just too much fun.
Yeah, you're a really bright man! I'm sure all those switchers were switching because they knew Apple made a better product while at the same time be too naive to handle anything complex on the iPhone like multitasking. That's brilliant logic.
"The rest will follow"? Hardly. The "rest" will continue thinking the tech crowd is a bunch of self-important losers with too much free time and an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
The thing you don't get is that you're part of that crowd. If you're posting on this forum, chances are you know far more than the average person. BTW there is a difference between a geek and a nerd. I may know a decent amount but I'm far from the guy living in his mother's basement. How about you?
The thing is, this is not a matter of "right" or "wrong". It is Apple's product, and they can place whatever limits they want on it.
You can either buy the product or not, depending on how you feel about the restrictions.
But it is not a secret that SJ and Apple want to maintain control with their product. It makes their life easier, and it represents an easier sell to people.
If they were to open the OS and their products, they would wind up like MS - having to support and deal with 100s of different hardware companies, and potential combinations, and sloppy coders causing the OS to crash.
It's almost always a question of right and wrong in anything. Maybe there are issues at play like the API may change for 4.0. Even still, Apple never even told these devs that their apps were being removed. Taken at face value, since Apple is never forthcoming about anything while they should be about this, Apple is in the wrong. It is wrong to take a dump on the same devs whom you want to make apps for the iPad. At this point, the App Store is the main advantage that Apple has over it's competitors (at least until OS 4.0 comes out).
As for "buy their products or not", that is a simplistic statement to make. People are tied to contracts with their iPhone. Many do like the iPhone and Apple's products. Many want to see them do well. If they lose those customers, they won't be coming back.
BTW the Mac is pretty open and there is nothing terrible has happened there. Android has had a couple of exploits and they were mostly apps coming from their own App Store which wouldn't be the same problem for Apple.
Yeah, you're a really bright man! I'm sure all those switchers were switching because they knew Apple made a better product while at the same time be too naive to handle anything complex on the iPhone like multitasking. That's brilliant logic..
What an impenetrable statement. I hope you know what it means, because I'm pretty sure nobody else does.
It is not that easy. Windows is MS product, but they can't do what they want with it. There are limits. As Apple grows, those limits become more exposed.
True, but I wouldn't expect the iphone to ever capture a majority slice of the overall market.
What an impenetrable statement. I hope you know what it means, because I'm pretty sure nobody else does.
That wouldn't surprise me that you wouldn't. I'm sure in your mind people just happened to drift into the Apple store and decide to spend $1,000+ on computers they never used and magically knew that their products are better.
That wouldn't surprise me that you wouldn't. I'm sure in your mind people just happened to drift into the Apple store and decide to spend $1,000+ on computers they never used and magically knew that their products are better.
That's not really helping. I (and presumably Dr. Millmoss) literally have no idea what you're talking about. And that doesn't have anything to do with some imagined opinion about what's in the mind of Apple's customers.