GM has $145Billion in revenues when it declared insolvency. I can give you many more examples.
Palm is taking in $300M in revenue but with a net loss of $150M per quarter and a market cap under $950M I think Chapter 11 is likely to occur this year.
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But it isn't fully buzzword compliant, which is the main criterion.
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I wish more companies thought through their products usability more than just looking for the most technology jargon they can slap on the box and spec sheet. At least then we'd have netbooks with the more usable 4:3 ratio in the 10" size that the foolish 16:9 ratio.
Thank you. I don't know why more people can't understand this. There are still people actually saying "Dude, there were touch screens around before Apple's iPhone. Blah, blah, blah".
I don't even try to respond to them anymore. Just have to .
Flash depends heavily on hover, and click and drag.
This one's pure FUD that's already been debunked (see http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/201...d-touch-input/). Mouse-overs work fine on mobile, and there's no difference in the challenge between HTML-mouseovers and Flash-mouseovers. At the same time Flash Player 10.1 includes multi-touch support.
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1) Major (Virgin Atlantic) sites are redoing their sites without flash
If you read the actual source from the Virgin America (not Atlantic) CTO, they're re-doing the ads on their homepage in HTML, not the entire site (see: http://www.virginamerica.com/va/trav...emap_right_bar as one example of flash still there). And honestly, HTML can have the "banner-ad" space... I'm sure no one at Adobe is losing any sleep over that.
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2) Vimeo, Dailymotion, Youtube all have moved to encoding in H.264. They all have HTML5 betas.
The only reason they are even able to encode in h.264 is because flash supports h.264 streaming. As for the HTML5 betas, it's all for user-produced content. Nothing that has ads (read: requires DRM) is available in the beta at youtube. Furthermore, for an interesting read on HTML5 video and performance, see an objective article over at ReadWriteWeb (http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives..._new_tests.php)... turns out "HTML5" consumes more CPU than flash in many instances (the only reason on the Mac that flash is more CPU intensive than HTML5 in safari, Apple does hardware acceleration via Quicktime in Safari, but will not give Adobe access to the API's required to similarly use hardware acceleration... that's why HTML5 is also CPU intensive on Firefox/Chrome (no hardware acceleration access) but Flash on Windows (with Hardware acceleration) uses the least amount of CPU of the bunch (include Safari HTML5 on Mac).
HP has been using Touch for a long while now their TouchSmart computers have been around for a while. They also use BumpTOP which is actually a pretty cool 3D desktop, its suppose to be coming to the Mac soon. If fact it looks like it is already available for the Mac.
He in lies the problem of Apple showing and telling long before sales started. IMHO Apple should have come out of the box with a ready to sell product. The developers could have been under NDAs or in the dark if Apple really wanted to be secret, the flip from iPhone to iPad development isn't hard and if Apple had all their apps such as iWorks ready plus the 2 x App feature there would have been enough stuff to start with to keep interest until developers got up to speed. Coming out early was a gift for the wannabes and copy cats to confuse the public. Hopefully Apple will be so differentiated by the interface and apps as to make all these worries moot.
Apple showed off the original iPhone 6 months before it hit the market. Three years later, competitors still can't match it. Hell, competitors are still struggling to catch the (relatively) simpler iPod... 9 years later.
The same will be true of iPad. Just because you show someone how its done doesn't mean they can mimic the result in a month... or even years, apparently.
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I never said anything like that. You are the one who argued that the regular modern aspect ratio is used merely to be fashionable.
You regularly seem to confuse me with some sort of fantasy figure.
The race to tablet supremacy will be based on price... Not Flash support.
I don't think so.... if you look at how Apple conquered the MP3 market is certainly wasn't with price. It was ease of use, unheard of capacity, size and visual design.
The one thing Apple has going for it that nobody else can touch is an ARMY and a half of developers who are all coding apps right this second for the iPad.
What does this new HP tablet run as its OS? (god help them if its windows) Then again what else could it run? The only tablet that Apple needs to be remotely worried about is one running Android... Perhaps then Apple would find it a mildly annoying competitor.
I watch video on news sites every day. If the 'Pad can't handle daily web surfing tasks, it is fatally flawed. Indeed, for most non-geeks, the 'Pad will suck to surf the 'web.
"Honey, why can't I get that website?"
"Oh, that's not a bug, it is a feature. You don't want to see that website. They sholuld have used H.236XZ technology, but me and Steve don't like Adobe, so you're better off this way. We are fighting a holy war here against Adobe, because they are lazy!!"
"Ummmm, it works fine on Sally's HP tablet. I thought you made me get this one because it is indisputably better to surf the 'net with?"
"Naw, only geeks care about flash! You are better off without it!"
"This is the last time I ever let you talk me into getting an Apple anything..."
"Honey, why do my arms ache and my hands get hot with the Slate, and the battery only last for a few hours?"
"Oh, it is a feature. They sholuld have used A4 technology, but HP are tied to Microsoft and Flash, so you're better off this way. We are fighting a holy war here against Adobe, because they are lazy!!"
"Ummmm, Sally's iPad is so much lighter, thiner and it does not get hot when she uses it. The battery lasts ages as well. I thought you made me get this one because it is indisputably better."
"Naw, only practical and sensible people care about design, weight, temperature and battery life! You are better off with this!"
"This is the last time I ever let you talk me into getting an HP anything..."
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I wish more companies thought through their products usability more than just looking for the most technology jargon they can slap on the box and spec sheet. At least then we'd have netbooks with the more usable 4:3 ratio in the 10" size that the foolish 16:9 ratio.
Speaking of which, why do Windows PC makers slap those buzzword stickers all over their products? And why do so many buyers just leave them on, implying that if they're peeled off, the computer might no longer function? I won't believe that Apple makes real computers until they start plastering them with buzzword stickers.
Q1: Has anyone here gone to an HP forum simply to trash talk HP's efforts the way iGenius is here trash talking the iPad and every other Apple product?
Q2: Since I tend to involve myself with normal, intelligent, sane people can anyone explain to me the mentality behind his comments on this forum?
One need not hold one to know that it will not work for the vast majority of web video.
There is more to the web than video, and the most common video (you tube) is supported. You can't make a blanket statement about something based on one aspect of the experience. How do you scroll straight down a page on a touch screen? If you drag your finger down, you will get some side to side movement in because you can't trace a perfectly vertical line. Safari on iPhone OS locks your scrolling in to one direction if you start either horizontal of vertical so you don't get any unwanted side to side motion. Is there a better way of selecting text on a touch screen than what is provided in iPhone OS? Is there a better implementation of a double tap to zoom in on exactly what you want to see feature (with pinch to zoom as a reliable alternative)? Some of these things will matter less on the larger 10 inch screen, but they will still be relevant. It seems like the iPad will actually be pretty good at browsing the web. Would I like flash on the iPad? Yes, as an option. Do I think that the lack of flash severely cripples the web browsing capabilities of the device? Not in the least, I can't wait to try one.
Q1: Has anyone here gone to an HP forum simply to trash talk HP's efforts the way iGenius is here trash talking the iPad and every other Apple product?
Q2: Since I tend to involve myself with normal, intelligent, sane people can anyone explain to me the mentality behind his comments on this forum?
According to the US Patent Office Apple was awarded patent number 7,479,949 on January 20, 2009. The patent which was filed on April 11, 2008 covers multi-touch and all associated gestures such as pinch, swipe and rotation.
That isn't a patent of the idea of using gestures. That's Apple's patent for iPhone related UI designs covering its techniques for fixed 1D vertical/horizontal scroll with sloppy gesture trajectories, 2D translation, frame or within frame scrolling, and a yet to be used 2-touch rotate to rotate stuff.
Another company can come in and implement all the same gestures in a different manner and be perfectly fine. For instance, if I wanted to zoom an image, I can use a control overlay design. Eg, double tap, a semi transparent control overlay in the form of square pops up. The corners and sides are hot or touchable. I then pinch, rotate or translate. Patent 7,479,949 will not cover this design even though it uses a 2-touch pinch/expand.
For translation of frames, look the home-screen pages or list scrolling, one can come up with a different touch-based UI design that uses the same gestures but uses a different UI convention.
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GM has $145Billion in revenues when it declared insolvency. I can give you many more examples.
Palm is taking in $300M in revenue but with a net loss of $150M per quarter and a market cap under $950M I think Chapter 11 is likely to occur this year.
But it isn't fully buzzword compliant, which is the main criterion.
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I wish more companies thought through their products usability more than just looking for the most technology jargon they can slap on the box and spec sheet. At least then we'd have netbooks with the more usable 4:3 ratio in the 10" size that the foolish 16:9 ratio.
Have you used one yet? Held one yet? Heck, have you seen one yet?
One need not hold one to know that it will not work for the vast majority of web video.
Thank you. I don't know why more people can't understand this. There are still people actually saying "Dude, there were touch screens around before Apple's iPhone. Blah, blah, blah".
I don't even try to respond to them anymore. Just have to
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/7479949
Read and be educated....
...Also according to Wikipedia, the 'Pad uses the same aspect ratio as 16mm film.
Ok, so it does. 16mm film is approximately 1.36:1 (according to Wikipedia) and the iPad is reportedly 1.33:1. No one is disputing that it isn't 4:3.
Flash depends heavily on hover, and click and drag.
This one's pure FUD that's already been debunked (see http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/201...d-touch-input/). Mouse-overs work fine on mobile, and there's no difference in the challenge between HTML-mouseovers and Flash-mouseovers. At the same time Flash Player 10.1 includes multi-touch support.
1) Major (Virgin Atlantic) sites are redoing their sites without flash
If you read the actual source from the Virgin America (not Atlantic) CTO, they're re-doing the ads on their homepage in HTML, not the entire site (see: http://www.virginamerica.com/va/trav...emap_right_bar as one example of flash still there). And honestly, HTML can have the "banner-ad" space... I'm sure no one at Adobe is losing any sleep over that.
2) Vimeo, Dailymotion, Youtube all have moved to encoding in H.264. They all have HTML5 betas.
The only reason they are even able to encode in h.264 is because flash supports h.264 streaming. As for the HTML5 betas, it's all for user-produced content. Nothing that has ads (read: requires DRM) is available in the beta at youtube. Furthermore, for an interesting read on HTML5 video and performance, see an objective article over at ReadWriteWeb (http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives..._new_tests.php)... turns out "HTML5" consumes more CPU than flash in many instances (the only reason on the Mac that flash is more CPU intensive than HTML5 in safari, Apple does hardware acceleration via Quicktime in Safari, but will not give Adobe access to the API's required to similarly use hardware acceleration... that's why HTML5 is also CPU intensive on Firefox/Chrome (no hardware acceleration access) but Flash on Windows (with Hardware acceleration) uses the least amount of CPU of the bunch (include Safari HTML5 on Mac).
HP has been using Touch for a long while now their TouchSmart computers have been around for a while. They also use BumpTOP which is actually a pretty cool 3D desktop, its suppose to be coming to the Mac soon. If fact it looks like it is already available for the Mac.
http://bumptop.com/
TOUCH has been around for a very long time.
MULTI-TOUCH is Apple's patent.
One need not hold one to know that it will not work for the vast majority of web video.
Who cares!
TOUCH has been around for a very long time.
MULTI-TOUCH is Apple's patent.
Well said :-
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/7479949
He in lies the problem of Apple showing and telling long before sales started. IMHO Apple should have come out of the box with a ready to sell product. The developers could have been under NDAs or in the dark if Apple really wanted to be secret, the flip from iPhone to iPad development isn't hard and if Apple had all their apps such as iWorks ready plus the 2 x App feature there would have been enough stuff to start with to keep interest until developers got up to speed. Coming out early was a gift for the wannabes and copy cats to confuse the public. Hopefully Apple will be so differentiated by the interface and apps as to make all these worries moot.
Apple showed off the original iPhone 6 months before it hit the market. Three years later, competitors still can't match it. Hell, competitors are still struggling to catch the (relatively) simpler iPod... 9 years later.
The same will be true of iPad. Just because you show someone how its done doesn't mean they can mimic the result in a month... or even years, apparently.
Thompson
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I never said anything like that. You are the one who argued that the regular modern aspect ratio is used merely to be fashionable.
You regularly seem to confuse me with some sort of fantasy figure.
I never said anything like that. You are the one who argued that the regular modern aspect ratio is used merely to be fashionable.
You regularly seem to confuse me with some sort of fantasy figure.
antique
not fashionable
1930's technology
everybody else is using 16:9
Seriously?
The race to tablet supremacy will be based on price... Not Flash support.
I don't think so.... if you look at how Apple conquered the MP3 market is certainly wasn't with price. It was ease of use, unheard of capacity, size and visual design.
The one thing Apple has going for it that nobody else can touch is an ARMY and a half of developers who are all coding apps right this second for the iPad.
What does this new HP tablet run as its OS? (god help them if its windows) Then again what else could it run? The only tablet that Apple needs to be remotely worried about is one running Android... Perhaps then Apple would find it a mildly annoying competitor.
Nice try, but HTC is the one monetizing the IP violation.
On most HTC android devices, that is true.
Bug Google is also making revenue off of Nexus One (built by HTC).
Nevertheless, I agree that HTC is the target that makes most sense... and not jsut because they are "small potatoes" as the other poster explained.
Thompson
I watch video on news sites every day. If the 'Pad can't handle daily web surfing tasks, it is fatally flawed. Indeed, for most non-geeks, the 'Pad will suck to surf the 'web.
"Honey, why can't I get that website?"
"Oh, that's not a bug, it is a feature. You don't want to see that website. They sholuld have used H.236XZ technology, but me and Steve don't like Adobe, so you're better off this way. We are fighting a holy war here against Adobe, because they are lazy!!"
"Ummmm, it works fine on Sally's HP tablet. I thought you made me get this one because it is indisputably better to surf the 'net with?"
"Naw, only geeks care about flash! You are better off without it!"
"This is the last time I ever let you talk me into getting an Apple anything..."
"Honey, why do my arms ache and my hands get hot with the Slate, and the battery only last for a few hours?"
"Oh, it is a feature. They sholuld have used A4 technology, but HP are tied to Microsoft and Flash, so you're better off this way. We are fighting a holy war here against Adobe, because they are lazy!!"
"Ummmm, Sally's iPad is so much lighter, thiner and it does not get hot when she uses it. The battery lasts ages as well. I thought you made me get this one because it is indisputably better."
"Naw, only practical and sensible people care about design, weight, temperature and battery life! You are better off with this!"
"This is the last time I ever let you talk me into getting an HP anything..."
He's really gone off the deep end with the iPad. It's one thing to say that he thinks that Apple didn't use the best solution, but it's another to say that they are wrong because it's not as fashionable.
I wish more companies thought through their products usability more than just looking for the most technology jargon they can slap on the box and spec sheet. At least then we'd have netbooks with the more usable 4:3 ratio in the 10" size that the foolish 16:9 ratio.
Speaking of which, why do Windows PC makers slap those buzzword stickers all over their products? And why do so many buyers just leave them on, implying that if they're peeled off, the computer might no longer function? I won't believe that Apple makes real computers until they start plastering them with buzzword stickers.
Q2: Since I tend to involve myself with normal, intelligent, sane people can anyone explain to me the mentality behind his comments on this forum?
One need not hold one to know that it will not work for the vast majority of web video.
There is more to the web than video, and the most common video (you tube) is supported. You can't make a blanket statement about something based on one aspect of the experience. How do you scroll straight down a page on a touch screen? If you drag your finger down, you will get some side to side movement in because you can't trace a perfectly vertical line. Safari on iPhone OS locks your scrolling in to one direction if you start either horizontal of vertical so you don't get any unwanted side to side motion. Is there a better way of selecting text on a touch screen than what is provided in iPhone OS? Is there a better implementation of a double tap to zoom in on exactly what you want to see feature (with pinch to zoom as a reliable alternative)? Some of these things will matter less on the larger 10 inch screen, but they will still be relevant. It seems like the iPad will actually be pretty good at browsing the web. Would I like flash on the iPad? Yes, as an option. Do I think that the lack of flash severely cripples the web browsing capabilities of the device? Not in the least, I can't wait to try one.
Q1: Has anyone here gone to an HP forum simply to trash talk HP's efforts the way iGenius is here trash talking the iPad and every other Apple product?
Q2: Since I tend to involve myself with normal, intelligent, sane people can anyone explain to me the mentality behind his comments on this forum?
It's called jealousy, very simple.
This must be his life......
According to the US Patent Office Apple was awarded patent number 7,479,949 on January 20, 2009. The patent which was filed on April 11, 2008 covers multi-touch and all associated gestures such as pinch, swipe and rotation.
That isn't a patent of the idea of using gestures. That's Apple's patent for iPhone related UI designs covering its techniques for fixed 1D vertical/horizontal scroll with sloppy gesture trajectories, 2D translation, frame or within frame scrolling, and a yet to be used 2-touch rotate to rotate stuff.
Another company can come in and implement all the same gestures in a different manner and be perfectly fine. For instance, if I wanted to zoom an image, I can use a control overlay design. Eg, double tap, a semi transparent control overlay in the form of square pops up. The corners and sides are hot or touchable. I then pinch, rotate or translate. Patent 7,479,949 will not cover this design even though it uses a 2-touch pinch/expand.
For translation of frames, look the home-screen pages or list scrolling, one can come up with a different touch-based UI design that uses the same gestures but uses a different UI convention.