Apple tables push for TV subscriptions on iPad, seeks 99 cent episodes

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  • Reply 41 of 89
    danielswdanielsw Posts: 906member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


    That's for SD though. HD episodes are $2.99. That's just outrageous.



    No it isn't. We have a 40" Toshiba and SD is good enough for us, and HD takes longer to download. But it would be worth it for larger TVs where you can see the detail better.
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  • Reply 42 of 89
    edougedoug Posts: 12member
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    Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post


    Yea... Selling a subscription service with an SD ONLY device is almost as stupid as trying to sell a subscription service on todays Kindle ..



    I disagree on this point, magazine subscriptions on today's Kindle have no advertisements...I like that.
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  • Reply 43 of 89
    Regardless of the whole subscription vs non-subscription, how are you going to use your device arguments, it is total BS that we cannot get Hulu or Netflix in the iPhone and probably the iPad.



    I am fine with paying for a show but I already have Satellite and am not fine with paying for the SAME show over and over again.



    I think any device with a web browser should be able to access any site available on the web. AND don't tell me it's about flash because it's not. They networks could easily make current content available on a go forward basis without much trouble if they wanted to (which they don't) it's about CONTROL and I hope they all loose their asses eventually a long with all the record company execs!
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  • Reply 44 of 89
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    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    I sure can! I'll buy lots of terabyte drives to store all the HD content. And more Time Capsules!



    The User Experience will be unmatched!



    TIVO is going to DIE.



    I really wish I thought you were joking with this nonsense...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    The iPad does so support HD. It is 768 which is HD. More FUD from a Hater...



    The iPad is 1024:768, a 4:3 aspect ratio. 720P HD is 1280:720 (256 pixels wider than the iPad), a 16:9 aspect ratio. Thus the iPad can't handle HD properly. Thus NOT proper HD. Please get your facts straight.
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  • Reply 45 of 89
    danielswdanielsw Posts: 906member
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    Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post


    Your obviously in the small percentage of the high end market and there is nothing wrong with that, but if Apple wants to sell a lot of devices, they need lots of content AND low prices for that content as to make it appear paying $499 or more for a iPad a worthwhile investment.



    Apple reminds me a lot of Disney World, you get inside the park and all of a sudden get confronted with little choices, few options and high prices.



    Disagree. For all those used to "free TV" this may be a bit of a shock, but you underestimate the size of your so-called "high end market".



    We don't just sit around and stare at a bunch of shows. With Apple's system, we can conveniently pick and choose just what we want to watch and not be continually disappointed with having to watch re-runs or having to conform to the studio's broadcast schedule.



    This is going to catch on more and more, and we'll end up having a better and more direct effect on studios' decisions for programming.



    The iPad is also a totally separate product, and its pricing is reasonable considering its huge potential utility within its new self-created product category.



    It's actually not that good of a platform for watching TV, unless that's a secondary reason for buying it. HD is probably not going to be all that necessary on it, considering its screen size and the relatively higher cost of purchase and the longer download/syncing times and higher storage space requirements of HD material.
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  • Reply 46 of 89
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,291member
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    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    The iPad is 1024:768, a 4:3 aspect ratio. 720P HD is 1080:720 (56 pixels wider than the iPad), a 16:9 aspect ratio. Thus the iPad can't handle HD properly. Thus NOT proper HD. Please get your facts straight.



    Just FYI, 720p is 1280x720. You should check your facts as well (though this makes your case even stronger).
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  • Reply 47 of 89
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DanielSW View Post


    No it isn't. We have a 40" Toshiba and SD is good enough for us, and HD takes longer to download. But it would be worth it for larger TVs where you can see the detail better.



    No it isn't what, outrageous? I'm sincerely happy for you that SD is good enough, but for me, I can clearly see the difference on my 46" 1080p LCD at about 14'. Even with a larger TV, I still think $2.99 per HD episode is too much. Heck, they're trying to sell you a season of House M.D. in HD for $59.99. So let's say that you have 10 season passes, that could be as much as $600. Personally, I have about 20 shows that I have season passes to so even if you go with $39.99 per season per show, that's still about $800. I currently pay about $864/yr. for DirecTV and that gives me access to a lot more that just 20 shows. Though it's true that you can only watch so much TV, it's nice to know that all those other channels are there if I choose to watch them.
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  • Reply 48 of 89
    techstudtechstud Posts: 124member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    The iPad is 1024:768, a 4:3 aspect ratio. 720P HD is 1080:720 (56 pixels wider than the iPad), a 16:9 aspect ratio. Thus the iPad can't handle HD properly. Thus NOT proper HD. Please get your facts straight.



    iLuv obviously has no idea what HD is by his statements. 768P indeed!
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  • Reply 49 of 89
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    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


    Just FYI, 720p is 1280x720. You should check your facts as well (though this makes your case even stronger).



    Thanks, corrected my original post. And yes it does make the case that the iPad doesn't support HD stronger.



    The iPad may be able to play HD content but just like Zune, it can't properly display it.
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  • Reply 50 of 89
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Originally Posted by TECHSTUD View Post


    So are you implying that the AppleTV as we know it is a dead horse? Help me out because you know how stupid I am as you stated prior.



    You're nothing but negativity.
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  • Reply 51 of 89
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Apple has been after this $.99 tv show price point for a long time and I think they are about to get it. This is a completely different offering for those barking from Netflix' corner, it's for the people that don't consume hours of TV per day, but rather the occasional episode they want to take on the go.



    People will be much more inclined to download a few episodes per season when they're only $0.99. The added value of HD on the iPad will increase this even further.
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  • Reply 52 of 89
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    Thanks, corrected my original post. And yes it does make the case that the iPad doesn't support HD stronger.



    The iPad may be able to play HD content but just like Zune, it can't properly display it.



    Absolutely correct, but it does display HD just fine, which makes this argument purely pointless.
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  • Reply 53 of 89
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Absolutely correct, but it does display HD just fine, which makes this argument purely pointless.



    Agreed, you guys are just arguing to argue. Most people buying it aren't really going to care about this.
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  • Reply 54 of 89
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
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    Originally Posted by MsNly View Post


    Agreed, you guys are just arguing to argue. Most people buying it aren't really going to care about this.



    I'm buying it and I care greatly about it playing it HD files from iTunes, as it suddenly makes them that much more valuable. No it isn't the exact dimensions to show it pixel for pixel, but it's damn good, and that's all that matters. A device of that size would not be a usable which is why it isn't, and that's really the end of this discussion.
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  • Reply 55 of 89
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    Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post


    WHAT??!!!



    Our family watches 2 movies before the kids go off to bed and then the two of us watch one TV show each before falling off to sleep.




    4-5 hours of tv a night? You watch too much tv IMHO.
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  • Reply 56 of 89
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
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    Originally Posted by benice View Post


    Much of what you've said makes sense, and I agree there's a huge amount of inconsistencies apparent that don't seem to reconcile very well, IF their efforts are all intended for the iPad. But.... another thing I noticed was that you used the word "Mono". Are you serious, the iPad is mono??? Please say it's not true.



    First, I don't know where you came up with me saying the iPAD was MONO.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLuv View Post


    It is not true. The iPad will output 5.1 sound. Anything less would be a horrible flaw.



    Correct....



    Okay lets try and stop this before it gets out of hand... lets look at EXACTLY what I said...



    Quote:

    Sorry but that's just about as bad as Steve trying to explain why the newest iPod sensation only supports MONO.



    Now to break down this complex idea...



    What I'm SAYING in the quote above is that Steve trying to sell TV content owners on a subscription service based ON the iPad when it doesn't properly** support the HD format...



    IS/WOULD-BE AS BAD AS



    Steve TRYING to explain why the newest iPod sensation ONLY supports MONO.



    CLEARLY 'the newest iPod sensation' was a JOKE since Apple wouldn't actually design an iPod that ONLY did MONO.



    A joke... get it? Kinda like trying to sell owners of TV content in the idea of a subscription service based on a device that didn't do HD**.



    ** I guess we can agree to disagree but if a device doesn't support 720p and 1080i in widescreen then to ME that isn't much of an HD device.



    And don't get me wrong... I actually LIKE the iPad and will be buying TWO of them once they field reports come in... but I'm not diluting myself into thinking this is gonna be an device that I will be playing a whole lot of HD content on... and thats OKAY I have lots of other plans for the iPad and its lack of REAL HD support isn't scaring me away.
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  • Reply 57 of 89
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Since many people get their Internet from cable companies, there is some concern over how the pricing structure will be affected if someone decides to downgrade to basic cable with Internet and pay Apple for the content they no longer buy from the cable company.



    If the studios are getting more from the cable providers than they would on iTunes then it could be a losing proposition for them also. To be sure the cable companies are not very happy about Apple's foray into television content delivery, and now with the iPad it will create even more load on their network for less income. Something has got to give.
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  • Reply 58 of 89
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    This is a completely different offering for those barking from Netflix' corner, it's for the people that don't consume hours of TV per day, but rather the occasional episode they want to take on the go.



    A little fact that many people might not know about the 'online Netflix' service....



    They (Netflix) did NOT go to the studios to get permission to stream the movies that they currently stream... So how on earth are that able to stream them?!?!!? Simple, they get (sublicense) the rights from Starz (a premium movie channel) that had an interesting condition in many of their studio contracts that allowed them to sell redistribution rights to other parties...



    I'm not sure what the initial reason for this clause since it seems like its a pretty major concession on behalf of the studios BUT it seems like the Starz loophole is quickly becoming a noose for Netflix Streaming...



    Just a random news items that came up when I googled netflix streaming starz...



    Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/d...-from-netflix/



    Bolding done by me...



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    Looks like the movie studios are beginning to realize that Netflix is racing away with the streaming market, and things are starting to change fast: hot on the heels of Warner forcing Netflix to accept delayed DVD rentals in exchange for better streaming terms, Disney and Starz are reportedly renegotiating their deal, and blocking Netflix is one of the terms. Most new releases on Netflix right now are part of the StarzPlay package, and the studios don't get a cut, since they've already sold those rights to Starz. As we all know, the studios aren't big fans of not getting a cut, so what Disney is trying to do is block Netflix from dealing with Starz and force it to license streaming rights directly -- not the end of the world and certainly not impossible, but a move that has the potential to disrupt service and raise prices. As of right now, things are status quo and no one's talking on the record, but we've got the feeling there's a shakeout coming -- stay tuned.



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  • Reply 59 of 89
    woohoo!woohoo! Posts: 291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post


    4-5 hours of tv a night? You watch too much tv IMHO.





    It's the typical amount most people in the US watch after they come home from work, it's a lot more on the weekends of course, the kids watching cartoons etc. all morning.





    Perhaps in other countries the quality and quantity of shows isn't all that great, which leads people to do other things or perhaps they have to work more when they get home because people don't have things like like wash machines, dishwashers, robovac's etc.
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  • Reply 60 of 89
    woohoo!woohoo! Posts: 291member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post


    A little fact that many people might not know about the 'online Netflix' service....

    Quote:



    Disney and Starz are reportedly renegotiating their deal, and blocking Netflix is one of the terms. Most new releases on Netflix right now are part of the StarzPlay package, and the studios don't get a cut, since they've already sold those rights to Starz. As we all know, the studios aren't big fans of not getting a cut, so what Disney is trying to do is block Netflix from dealing with Starz and force it to license streaming rights directly -- not the end of the world and certainly not impossible, but a move that has the potential to disrupt service and raise prices. As of right now, things are status quo and no one's talking on the record, but we've got the feeling there's a shakeout coming -- stay tuned.





    And guess who is Disney's largest shareholder?



    Too powerful, Steve Jobs is...
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