That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
Well, that's what I and other posters have indicated we plan to do. I guess we just don't live in your "real world"
The general attitude around here has been "We don't want a forward facing camera. It would show a view up the nose of the person using an Ipad."
I don't recall anyone saying they don't want a camera, either front or back facing. I recall many saying that they did want it, with most others saying that it wasn't a deal breaker.
From my experience with several iPads what is needs to be addressed first, before I commit to another one is the RAM issue adequately resolved. Whether that means an firmware update or more RAM, I don't care. That was a deal breaker for me.
THe iPad won't replace anything used in a hospital or in the educations system because it is runing a mobile OS that can not run third party software needed that an Full OS can run.
Also if 4-5 lbs is that heavy for you instead of an iPad maybe you should invest in a gym membership.
Hmmm. Wish I could agree with you on that. My dentist and my GP both are actively reviewing offerings from the major med instrumentation power houses who were already producing iPhone/iPod Touch apps for their devices. We're talking direct-connect to patient monitoring systems, front-end clients for their cleint information systems that support full imagery access for X-ray and MRI, and a true 3D scan representation with 360 degree global manipulation of the imaging. Two specialists that are friends of mine are looking at some other offerings as well, that have been proposed, and that's just here in central Ohio. I can only imagine what's being pursued elsewhere.
So take a minute, crawl out of your narrow little perceptive niche, and talk to people. Just because you can't possibly conceive of how you would do this doesn't mean that someone else with more knowledge/talent/vision or persistence is going to be likewise limited by their preconceived notions.
That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
There are no stats. The product is not yet in the market. Time will tell.
Comment was simply a joke. Something many here have trouble understanding.
As far as the iPad being a benefit to the education market. My wife is an AP with her doctorate in Curriculum and Instructional Leadership. Macbooks are oftened used in her school but she sees no value for the iPad in education because it simply does not have the ability to run the programs needed. Also they are switching over to Windows notebook because they are the only county not using MS office and it is creating a continued problem.
The fact is the Apps Store does not have the Apps to do the job in business.
Are you simply a contrarian, or are you this incredibly myopic? One of the colleges here in central Ohio has a standing order for an initial 500 iPads for curriculum use, and has a LIBRARY of iPhone/iPod Touch apps they have developed and deploy already. They are moving a bunch of that work into the iPad upgrade development now.
The App Store, apparently unbeknownest to you, has special roped off areas solely dedicated to enterprise level development for corporate uses. Each company has a special App Store that it uses for its own in-house developed custom applications. According to my sources these run into the tens of thousands - above the 150,000 or so in the general App Store for consumers. So again, the breeze you may be feeling is the rest of the world zipping past you on its way to make use of the technology. Feel free to just stand there, but don't be offended if the rest just simply ignore you.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
William, that fact is you don't see the corporate development going on because it is not part of the consumer app store. Apple ropes off corporate App Stores for each company. There is an incredible amount of development going by companies producing specialized applications for their internal needs. My own Fortune 50 company has a lab and staff dedicated to serving Apple SDK dev work for all parts of our operations. It's quite the boiler room - everyone wants their app yesterday and the devs are paid handsomely.
Hm well local apple store sold out of 16 and 32g models, they are expecting more in this afternoon, so we'll see if I go grab one. If you haven't seen one yet or held it, which I'm guessing 99% of the trolls haven't it really is a well made product, it's solid quality, of course we have all already read that, unlike the joojoo that been getting killed in the blogs as "crappy plastic and poorly built".
Are you simply a contrarian, or are you this incredibly myopic? One of the colleges here in central Ohio has a standing order for an initial 500 iPads for curriculum use, and has a LIBRARY of iPhone/iPod Touch apps they have developed and deploy already. They are moving a bunch of that work into the iPad upgrade development now.
The App Store, apparently unbeknownest to you, has special roped off areas solely dedicated to enterprise level development for corporate uses. Each company has a special App Store that it uses for its own in-house developed custom applications. According to my sources these run into the tens of thousands - above the 150,000 or so in the general App Store for consumers. So again, the breeze you may be feeling is the rest of the world zipping past you on its way to make use of the technology. Feel free to just stand there, but don't be offended if the rest just simply ignore you.
Even if this was true 500 iPads wouldn't even cover the students at one school. I would also find it hard to believe that a state like OHIO which is in the dumps budget wise would have money to invest in iPads.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
No inroads in education...EH?
None here either.
Troll B Pwned.
Masternav - you have great info - love to hear more - don't mind the trolls
Hm well local apple store sold out of 16 and 32g models, they are expecting more in this afternoon, so we'll see if I go grab one. If you haven't seen one yet or held it, which I'm guessing 99% of the trolls haven't it really is a well made product, it's solid quality, of course we have all already read that, unlike the joojoo that been getting killed in the blogs as "crappy plastic and poorly built".
But it doesn't have the requisite number of knobs, buttons and slots. It is completely out of geek compliance.
You are 100% correct members on an enthusiast site never even come close to representing the average consumer.
Gald we can agree you aren't even coming close to the average consumer.
You seemed to have missed that I said 'your "real world"', which is apparently some sort of an alternate universe where the iPad can never be used in educational and medical settings and has generally been an enormous flop for Apple. (Maybe in your alternate universe they allowed Flash or Flash-to-iPhone apps? That might explain it.)
I think there are a lot of "average consumers" who are smart enough to figure this one out. It's pretty much a no brainer if you plan to take this on the road. What the "average consumer", which in your mind is, I guess, some sort of luddite fool, may or may not be aware of is that paying for the 3G service also gives you free access to AT&T WiFi hotspots. A good number of them, though, will probably be aware of this advantage, too.
To recap, 3G is very useful when traveling, a point that most consumers are aware of these days, and also gives you expanded WiFi access. In addition, the GPS would be very useful for car trips, and otherwise, especially as iPad versions of navigation apps get released (or, even for use with the iPhone nav apps), or even for simple maps use when WiFi location services aren't available.
EDIT: Well, we can argue this all day, but I think the sales numbers will, as usual, prove you wrong. Won't be long now.
That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
The example above is exactly how I plan to use the iPad.
While I'd like an iPhone, the only times I'd use the internet part is during the summer and the 1 or 2 times a year I travel for business.
If we get a no-contract 3G option here, I'll get a 3G iPad and use the 3G in July and August. Paying an extra $130 for the 3G is fine as our Wireless Providers charge $99 to $199 for a USB wireless stick if we don't go on contract.
Unfortunately, knowing how Rogers operates, they'll likely not offer the non-contract option. In that case, I'll stick with the Wi-Fi only version.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
I'll have to agree with you for business. Apple never really caught on in a big way and they never really pursued it to any great means. However to say they never and I repeat your statement never had any gains in education is just flat wrong. They pretty much were the the default in education computing. Education was one of the main reason they stayed afloat during the lean years.
I remember a few years ago before the iEverything became popular people used to say "what computer is that?" and I'd tell them it was an Apple and they'd almost aways say "Oh yeah I remember using one of those back in 7th grade" or something along those lines.
A bunch of new models are coming out, some of which are bound to be better than the existing product (though of course they still run Windows). I think we have to be honest and acknowledge that Windows is still the overwhelming default preference in the IT community. I've also been monitoring the temperature of the discussion over the iPad (as have a lot of us), and no surprise, the technorati hate, hate, hate the iPad almost with exception. So I think getting these computers into institutional settings is going to be extremely difficult, with the IT people fighting it tooth-and-nail, unless the case for them is overwhelming. Which, lacking an exclusive killer app, it isn't.
I can only speak for my experience as an IT person at a hospital. Just in the last few days I've demo'd a large number of our windows applications running on the citrix client for iPad. Our desktop support group isn't excited about supporting a new device. However, they see the value in it for our customers. The small footprint devices we currently use cost 3 times as much as an ipad and weigh twice as much. The doctors hate them.
The citrix client for iPad lets us run any windows application on the ipad. Citrix delivers the microsoft application through a client/server architecture with the actual execution of the application occurring on the citrix server.
I've personally used our EMR application from Epic Systems (Hyperspace) on the iPad using the citrix client and I found it to be extremely usable. We are delivering a large number of our critical windows applications via citrix. We configured these applications to run on my ipad in less than 5 minutes. It was awesome! We demoed the applications for our CTO and Enterprise Architect and they were wow'd.
I can only speak for my experience as an IT person at a hospital. Just in the last few days I've demo'd a large number of our windows applications running on the citrix client for iPad. Our desktop support group isn't excited about supporting a new device. However, they see the value in it for our customers. The small footprint devices we currently use cost 3 times as much as an ipad and weigh twice as much. The doctors hate them.
The citrix client for iPad lets us run any windows application on the ipad. Citrix delivers the microsoft application through a client/server architecture with the actual execution of the application occurring on the citrix server.
I've personally used our EMR application from Epic Systems (Hyperspace) and found it extremely usable. We are delivering a large number of our critical windows applications via citrix. We configured these applications to run on my ipad in less than 5 minutes. It was awesome! We demoed the applications for our CTO and Enterprise Architect and they were wow'd.
Sounds promising. Maybe citrix is the iKevorkian... uh, killer app, for the iPad.
Still, wouldn't a native iPad app that could integrate with the hospital's back end system be even better and more persuasive?
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That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
Well, that's what I and other posters have indicated we plan to do. I guess we just don't live in your "real world"
The general attitude around here has been "We don't want a forward facing camera. It would show a view up the nose of the person using an Ipad."
I don't recall anyone saying they don't want a camera, either front or back facing. I recall many saying that they did want it, with most others saying that it wasn't a deal breaker.
From my experience with several iPads what is needs to be addressed first, before I commit to another one is the RAM issue adequately resolved. Whether that means an firmware update or more RAM, I don't care. That was a deal breaker for me.
THe iPad won't replace anything used in a hospital or in the educations system because it is runing a mobile OS that can not run third party software needed that an Full OS can run.
Also if 4-5 lbs is that heavy for you instead of an iPad maybe you should invest in a gym membership.
Hmmm. Wish I could agree with you on that. My dentist and my GP both are actively reviewing offerings from the major med instrumentation power houses who were already producing iPhone/iPod Touch apps for their devices. We're talking direct-connect to patient monitoring systems, front-end clients for their cleint information systems that support full imagery access for X-ray and MRI, and a true 3D scan representation with 360 degree global manipulation of the imaging. Two specialists that are friends of mine are looking at some other offerings as well, that have been proposed, and that's just here in central Ohio. I can only imagine what's being pursued elsewhere.
So take a minute, crawl out of your narrow little perceptive niche, and talk to people. Just because you can't possibly conceive of how you would do this doesn't mean that someone else with more knowledge/talent/vision or persistence is going to be likewise limited by their preconceived notions.
The fact is the Apps Store does not have the Apps to do the job in business.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
There are no stats. The product is not yet in the market. Time will tell.
I think there are a lot of industries where the Apple touch platform will be adopted in the near future.
Comment was simply a joke. Something many here have trouble understanding.
As far as the iPad being a benefit to the education market. My wife is an AP with her doctorate in Curriculum and Instructional Leadership. Macbooks are oftened used in her school but she sees no value for the iPad in education because it simply does not have the ability to run the programs needed. Also they are switching over to Windows notebook because they are the only county not using MS office and it is creating a continued problem.
The fact is the Apps Store does not have the Apps to do the job in business.
Are you simply a contrarian, or are you this incredibly myopic? One of the colleges here in central Ohio has a standing order for an initial 500 iPads for curriculum use, and has a LIBRARY of iPhone/iPod Touch apps they have developed and deploy already. They are moving a bunch of that work into the iPad upgrade development now.
The App Store, apparently unbeknownest to you, has special roped off areas solely dedicated to enterprise level development for corporate uses. Each company has a special App Store that it uses for its own in-house developed custom applications. According to my sources these run into the tens of thousands - above the 150,000 or so in the general App Store for consumers. So again, the breeze you may be feeling is the rest of the world zipping past you on its way to make use of the technology. Feel free to just stand there, but don't be offended if the rest just simply ignore you.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
William, that fact is you don't see the corporate development going on because it is not part of the consumer app store. Apple ropes off corporate App Stores for each company. There is an incredible amount of development going by companies producing specialized applications for their internal needs. My own Fortune 50 company has a lab and staff dedicated to serving Apple SDK dev work for all parts of our operations. It's quite the boiler room - everyone wants their app yesterday and the devs are paid handsomely.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
Oh, look, the new iLuv alias. That didn't take long.
Well, that's what I and other posters have indicated we plan to do. I guess we just don't live in your "real world"
You are 100% correct members on an enthusiast site never even come close to representing the average consumer.
Gald we can agree you aren't even coming close to the average consumer.
Are you simply a contrarian, or are you this incredibly myopic? One of the colleges here in central Ohio has a standing order for an initial 500 iPads for curriculum use, and has a LIBRARY of iPhone/iPod Touch apps they have developed and deploy already. They are moving a bunch of that work into the iPad upgrade development now.
The App Store, apparently unbeknownest to you, has special roped off areas solely dedicated to enterprise level development for corporate uses. Each company has a special App Store that it uses for its own in-house developed custom applications. According to my sources these run into the tens of thousands - above the 150,000 or so in the general App Store for consumers. So again, the breeze you may be feeling is the rest of the world zipping past you on its way to make use of the technology. Feel free to just stand there, but don't be offended if the rest just simply ignore you.
Even if this was true 500 iPads wouldn't even cover the students at one school. I would also find it hard to believe that a state like OHIO which is in the dumps budget wise would have money to invest in iPads.
Apple concentrates on the sweet spot in the market: The consumer.
They have made that clear recently, and in the past.
These corporate, institutional and enterprise users are of much less interest to Apple.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
No inroads in education...EH?
None here either.
Troll B Pwned.
Masternav - you have great info - love to hear more - don't mind the trolls
Hm well local apple store sold out of 16 and 32g models, they are expecting more in this afternoon, so we'll see if I go grab one. If you haven't seen one yet or held it, which I'm guessing 99% of the trolls haven't it really is a well made product, it's solid quality, of course we have all already read that, unlike the joojoo that been getting killed in the blogs as "crappy plastic and poorly built".
But it doesn't have the requisite number of knobs, buttons and slots. It is completely out of geek compliance.
You are 100% correct members on an enthusiast site never even come close to representing the average consumer.
Gald we can agree you aren't even coming close to the average consumer.
You seemed to have missed that I said 'your "real world"', which is apparently some sort of an alternate universe where the iPad can never be used in educational and medical settings and has generally been an enormous flop for Apple. (Maybe in your alternate universe they allowed Flash or Flash-to-iPhone apps? That might explain it.)
I think there are a lot of "average consumers" who are smart enough to figure this one out. It's pretty much a no brainer if you plan to take this on the road. What the "average consumer", which in your mind is, I guess, some sort of luddite fool, may or may not be aware of is that paying for the 3G service also gives you free access to AT&T WiFi hotspots. A good number of them, though, will probably be aware of this advantage, too.
To recap, 3G is very useful when traveling, a point that most consumers are aware of these days, and also gives you expanded WiFi access. In addition, the GPS would be very useful for car trips, and otherwise, especially as iPad versions of navigation apps get released (or, even for use with the iPhone nav apps), or even for simple maps use when WiFi location services aren't available.
EDIT: Well, we can argue this all day, but I think the sales numbers will, as usual, prove you wrong. Won't be long now.
That isn't a real world example. Give me some stats on users that turn on and off their data plans. IF someone only needs to turn on their data a few times a year then clearly they will not feel the needs to buy an iPad with 3G because the need just isn't there.
Thats real world.
The example above is exactly how I plan to use the iPad.
While I'd like an iPhone, the only times I'd use the internet part is during the summer and the 1 or 2 times a year I travel for business.
If we get a no-contract 3G option here, I'll get a 3G iPad and use the 3G in July and August. Paying an extra $130 for the 3G is fine as our Wireless Providers charge $99 to $199 for a USB wireless stick if we don't go on contract.
Unfortunately, knowing how Rogers operates, they'll likely not offer the non-contract option. In that case, I'll stick with the Wi-Fi only version.
I don't disagree with your comment about Apple and the consumer. Which is why Apple has never made any real gains in education or business. In spite of what a few fools wants to post here.
I'll have to agree with you for business. Apple never really caught on in a big way and they never really pursued it to any great means. However to say they never and I repeat your statement never had any gains in education is just flat wrong. They pretty much were the the default in education computing. Education was one of the main reason they stayed afloat during the lean years.
I remember a few years ago before the iEverything became popular people used to say "what computer is that?" and I'd tell them it was an Apple and they'd almost aways say "Oh yeah I remember using one of those back in 7th grade" or something along those lines.
A bunch of new models are coming out, some of which are bound to be better than the existing product (though of course they still run Windows). I think we have to be honest and acknowledge that Windows is still the overwhelming default preference in the IT community. I've also been monitoring the temperature of the discussion over the iPad (as have a lot of us), and no surprise, the technorati hate, hate, hate the iPad almost with exception. So I think getting these computers into institutional settings is going to be extremely difficult, with the IT people fighting it tooth-and-nail, unless the case for them is overwhelming. Which, lacking an exclusive killer app, it isn't.
I can only speak for my experience as an IT person at a hospital. Just in the last few days I've demo'd a large number of our windows applications running on the citrix client for iPad. Our desktop support group isn't excited about supporting a new device. However, they see the value in it for our customers. The small footprint devices we currently use cost 3 times as much as an ipad and weigh twice as much. The doctors hate them.
The citrix client for iPad lets us run any windows application on the ipad. Citrix delivers the microsoft application through a client/server architecture with the actual execution of the application occurring on the citrix server.
I've personally used our EMR application from Epic Systems (Hyperspace) on the iPad using the citrix client and I found it to be extremely usable. We are delivering a large number of our critical windows applications via citrix. We configured these applications to run on my ipad in less than 5 minutes. It was awesome! We demoed the applications for our CTO and Enterprise Architect and they were wow'd.
I can only speak for my experience as an IT person at a hospital. Just in the last few days I've demo'd a large number of our windows applications running on the citrix client for iPad. Our desktop support group isn't excited about supporting a new device. However, they see the value in it for our customers. The small footprint devices we currently use cost 3 times as much as an ipad and weigh twice as much. The doctors hate them.
The citrix client for iPad lets us run any windows application on the ipad. Citrix delivers the microsoft application through a client/server architecture with the actual execution of the application occurring on the citrix server.
I've personally used our EMR application from Epic Systems (Hyperspace) and found it extremely usable. We are delivering a large number of our critical windows applications via citrix. We configured these applications to run on my ipad in less than 5 minutes. It was awesome! We demoed the applications for our CTO and Enterprise Architect and they were wow'd.
Sounds promising. Maybe citrix is the iKevorkian... uh, killer app, for the iPad.
Still, wouldn't a native iPad app that could integrate with the hospital's back end system be even better and more persuasive?